And what is so controversal/shocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poise n Pen
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And what is so controversal/shocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poise n Pen
R1b1a2a1a1c3.
Aside from being pure bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Well, whatever you think is true it is full of controversy. Controversy as to where the language comes from, controversy for where the dna comes from as well, or if they even have some relation. R1a could come from india or even middle east. R1b almost certainly comes from the west, and is found in 14000 BC in italy for fuck's sake. This does not seem to deter anyone who believes in yamnaya though.
First wheel is now found in germany from a group that's probably I ydna, and that was the whole reasonin for PIE in the first place. That one group found the wheel and horse and that was how it all spread. But the first wheel by far is now in a totally different place.
Also take a look at the word tomato. It is very regular across IE languages. But it did not come into play until the 1600s or so. But by PIE language reasoning, our original ancestors would all be tomato farmers.
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Avar mongolid left oversQuote:
Originally Posted by Europa Nazione
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
G2 introduced farming to E carriers. It is highly likely that very first E carriers that entered Europe through Apennines/Iberia were hunter-gatherers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
Being from Bulgaria, you have pretty high chances of being E yourself, so I wouldn't shittalk it so much if I was you...
Anyways, your view on hunting and farming is very romanticized. Farming is certainly more demanding than lifestyle of many hunter-gatherers (Sub-Saharan Africans would be a good example).
That R1b found in Villabrunna 14000 B.C. is ancestral to African V88, not to IE R1b. It is clear that R1b (ancestral to IE) was not present in Upper Palaeolithic Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poise n Pen
Highly unlikely. N1a P189.2 is found exclusively in Europe (one NW Montenegrin clan + few Czech/Slovakian families).Quote:
Originally Posted by MONEY
It had to came there someway.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Maybe with Slavs, maybe with Turks, maybe with Magyars,
maybe with Avars... or on their own in not known times.
It shows rather a small selfmigrating tribe, who is still small.
Eb1b1that is widespread and very ancient
There is controversy about its first appearance which is more likely to be in modern ethiopia
E1b1 overall imo.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdelnour
And also the haplogroup X, it is very rare.
any female y-dna haplogroup
Probably E1b1b or J
J, those who have it believe it is Greco-Anatolian and European but many paint it as Arab and non-European.
The first appearance of J2 during the Neolithic came in the form of a 10,000 year-old J2b sample from Tepe Abdul Hosein in north-western Iran in what was then the Pre-Pottery Neolithic, but it's origins are (so far as we know) actually earlier. There are two examples of J2a from Iran and Georgia. (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9912)Quote:
Originally Posted by Styrian Mujo
R1a, because Rethel.
R1ethiletes they are Central Asian
The parent haplogroup of R and Q is P, which originated in Southeast Asia. So there's a good chance that it's original carriers could have been Mongoloid. But keep in mind that Central Asia and Western Siberia were originally West Eurasian (Caucasoid) and that Amerindians (who mostly have Q) are a third West Eurasian (ANE), so that's why some people say that it could have been Caucasoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdelnour
Nope, as the only possible admix of the oldest was AmerInd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
BUT if IEs were mongoloid, then who was white? When you find
the answer for that, then you can claim our mongoloidness.
And? What is wrong with Central Asia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
Funny thing is, that there is no, null,
nada, zero aDNA from Central Asia...
But are plenty from Eastern Europe.
Do you use a glass sphere or what?
Those Albino mulatto R1 riding dinosaurs to the edge of the flat earth to meet their creators. A bit of controversy about them i would say.
R1 is only controversial because of Rethel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myanthropologies
Hate to break it to ya fam but most niggers are haplogroup E, not R1.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarknessWin
So if we’re mongoloid spawn then you’re negroid spawn LOL!
You probably cry yourself to sleep wishing you were descended from superior R1 aryan warriors who conquered your ancestors and took their women as harem slaves you butthurt cave nigger faggot. And Romans were mostly R1b-U152 and J2a with only a few E-V13.
Romans mainly J2b? What type of J2b anyways? Romans would have had J2a when it came to J2 but maybe a small amount of J2b2-L283. They were mainly R1b-U152 as you stated though E-V13 was most probably more common that J2b. He's I2a1b btwQuote:
Originally Posted by Imperator Biff
E1b1b, broadly defined (of which I am).
I thought you were E-V13 but now your profile says E-V22, did you test your SNPs?Quote:
Originally Posted by MysteriousWays
Did Y-111 on Ftdna...wasn't given specific terminal SNP but someone who runs one of the haplogroup E sections was able to help me out with this, so I feel pretty confident about it. Still waiting on Big Y results (will be in July).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Yh you most probably are E-V22 as 111 markers are more than enough to find out what haplogroup you belong to. E-V22 makes sense as it's found in the Levant and is linked to Jews as well as PhoeniciansQuote:
Originally Posted by MysteriousWays
Yes indeed they would’ve carried more J2a sorry, probably from etruscans. However E-V13 was an assimilated lineage that was carried by those ‘mongoloid’ Indo-Europeans he lambasts so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Yh it was assimilated by Indo-Europeans and then expanded with them which is why most Indo-European groups have E-V13 in some percentage, although it was a "native" lineage in the Italic tribes since it was present in their ethnogenesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator Biff