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10-07-2010, 02:21 AM
Ibericus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

10 of the Romanians:

What's with the Atlanto-Med scores here?

What do you mean, that they are low or high ?
10-07-2010, 02:28 AM
Guapo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

10 of the Romanians:

What's with the Atlanto-Med scores here?

Roman legionnaires from France!
10-07-2010, 02:29 AM
Electronic God-Man

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The 4 submitted Swedes:
10-07-2010, 02:30 AM
Electronic God-Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iberia

What do you mean, that they are low or high ?

They seemed rather high for being on the other side of Europe, not the Atlantic side.
10-07-2010, 02:33 AM
Guapo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

They seemed rather high for being on the other side of Europe, not the Atlantic side.

They claim to be descended from Roman soldiers, looks like it. How else would a Romance language be there anyway.
10-07-2010, 02:58 AM
Electronic God-Man

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10 of the Orcadians:
10-07-2010, 02:32 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

The 4 submitted Swedes:

Overall they are much more "East European" than the Norwegians,
could you make one with the Swedes Eurasian admixture?
10-08-2010, 05:56 AM
Electronic God-Man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

Overall they are much more "East European" than the Norwegians,
could you make one with the Swedes Eurasian admixture?

:)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...5&d=1286513696
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...6&d=1286513696
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...7&d=1286513696
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...8&d=1286513696
10-08-2010, 05:58 AM
Electronic God-Man

Why are the Lithuanians not on the Eurasian excel sheet?
10-08-2010, 06:10 AM
Pallantides

It seems NO1 and SE1 are the most West Eurasian out of the Scandinavians and SE3 have the most North Eurasian and Proto N-Eurasian admixture.
Overall Norwegians seem to have less North Eurasian and Proto Eurasian admixture than the Swedes atleast going by these results.
10-08-2010, 06:10 AM
Electronic God-Man

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The Poles (Eurasian):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...9&d=1286514557
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...0&d=1286514557
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1286514557
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...2&d=1286514557
10-08-2010, 06:13 AM
Pallantides

The Poles are more pure West Eurasian than the Swedes.
10-08-2010, 06:15 AM
Electronic God-Man

It's too bad we don't have Danes on there.
10-08-2010, 06:18 AM
Pallantides

You should do Norwegians also, as your graphs look much better than the shitty ones I made. ;)

these graphs are easier to show and explain to my mom and family members than a panel with a lot of numbers.:thumb001:
10-08-2010, 06:49 AM
Electronic God-Man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

You should do Norwegians also, as your graphs look much better than the shitty ones I made. ;)

these graphs are easier to show and explain to my mom and family members than a panel with a lot of numbers.:thumb001:

Sure and exactly.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...3&d=1286516879
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...4&d=1286516879
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...5&d=1286516879
10-09-2010, 06:32 PM
Pallantides

Here are the Norwegian and Swedish values for the new Intra-West Eurasian table:

NO1 0.00001 0.13882 0.76472 0.00001 0.09643 0.00001
NO2 0.03614 0.04053 0.80207 0.00001 0.12124 0.00001
NO3 0.01025 0.08871 0.77322 0.00001 0.12779 0.00001
NO5 0.00001 0.12304 0.74704 0.00001 0.12989 0.00001

SE1 0.08893 0.03327 0.78167 0.00001 0.09611 0.00001
SE2 0.00001 0.13546 0.72910 0.00001 0.13541 0.00001
SE3 0.02398 0.07906 0.68587 0.00001 0.21108 0.00001
SE4 0.01403 0.04815 0.76069 0.00001 0.17711 0.00001

I haven't figured them out yet.
10-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

Here are the Norwegian and Swedish values for the new Intra-West Eurasian table:

NO1 0.00001 0.13882 0.76472 0.00001 0.09643 0.00001
NO2 0.03614 0.04053 0.80207 0.00001 0.12124 0.00001
NO3 0.01025 0.08871 0.77322 0.00001 0.12779 0.00001
NO5 0.00001 0.12304 0.74704 0.00001 0.12989 0.00001

SE1 0.08893 0.03327 0.78167 0.00001 0.09611 0.00001
SE2 0.00001 0.13546 0.72910 0.00001 0.13541 0.00001
SE3 0.02398 0.07906 0.68587 0.00001 0.21108 0.00001
SE4 0.01403 0.04815 0.76069 0.00001 0.17711 0.00001

I haven't figured them out yet.

Yeah, I got the email with mine and my wife's today but we can't make sense of it.

Ours are:

US90 0.043743 0.317034 0.585966 0.000010 0.049281 0.003965
US91 0.063030 0.272621 0.654192 0.000010 0.010136 0.000010
10-09-2010, 06:54 PM
Pallantides

One another board someone suggested it could be:

Caucasus
Mediterranean
Western/Northwestern Europe
Middle East
East Europe/Central Asia
North Africa

Here are the Finnish numbers

FI1 0.00001 0.02297 0.65889 0.00001 0.31811 0.00001
FI2 0.00001 0.00001 0.64149 0.00001 0.35847 0.00001
FI3 0.00001 0.00001 0.55172 0.00001 0.44824 0.00001
10-09-2010, 06:59 PM
Pallantides

So I'm roughly

4% Caucasus
4% Mediterranean
80% Western/Northwestern Europe
0% Middle East
12% East Europe/Central Asia
0% North Africa
10-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Grey

Hmm... my wife is about average for a French person (whereas on 23andme she clusters with the English and has a higher North European similarity), and according to this I'm more Mediterranean than even the average French person (but still less so than the Italians). That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense given our predominately North-European ancestry.

What does Caucasus mean here, and East Europe/Central Asia. My wife is the one with actual East European ancestors, yet I have a higher score for that.
10-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Electronic God-Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

One another board someone suggested it could be:

Caucasus
Mediterranean
Western/Northwestern Europe
Middle East
East Europe/Central Asia
North Africa

Alright. Going by that I got:

Caucasus: 3.0562%
Mediterranean: 16.1894%
Western/Northwestern Euro: 71.7311%
Middle East: 0%
East Euro/Central Asia: 9.0213%
North Africa: 0%
10-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

Alright. Going by that I got:

Caucasus: 3.0562%
Mediterranean: 16.1894%
Western/Northwestern Euro: 71.7311%
Middle East: 0%
East Euro/Central Asia: 9.0213%
North Africa: 0%

You should make some graphs again:cool:
10-09-2010, 07:36 PM
Electronic God-Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

You should make some graphs again:cool:

I was going to, but are we certain that those are the clusters?
10-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

I was going to, but are we certain that those are the clusters?

you could name them after cluster number(1 to 6)

me (NO2)

Cluster 3 - 80.207%
Cluster 5 - 12.124%
Cluster 2 - 4.053%
Cluster 1 - 3.614
Cluster 6 – 0.001%
Cluster 4 – 0.001%
10-09-2010, 07:55 PM
Electronic God-Man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

you could name them after cluster number(1 to 6)

Too late.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...0&d=1286650439
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1286650439
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...2&d=1286650439
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...3&d=1286650439

Is Polako going to say then what the clusters should be?
10-09-2010, 08:26 PM
Electronic God-Man

Polako just said on 23andme that the Atlanto-Med group is now grouped in with the Northwestern Euro. So the Mediterranean group here must be Italian and Greek, etc.

I got 16% southern Euro.
10-09-2010, 09:12 PM
Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

Polako just said on 23andme that the Atlanto-Med group is now grouped in with the Northwestern Euro. So the Mediterranean group here must be Italian and Greek, etc.

I got 16% southern Euro.

Is Spanish Atlanto-Med or Med?
10-09-2010, 09:42 PM
Pallantides

I got 4% southern Euro and 80% North Western Euro(highest of the forumites):cool:
10-09-2010, 09:56 PM
Ibericus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey

Is Spanish Atlanto-Med or Med?

After Basques, spaniards have the highest Atlanto-Med. The Med is different and peaks in Jews
10-10-2010, 11:40 AM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey

What does Caucasus mean here, and East Europe/Central Asia. My wife is the one with actual East European ancestors, yet I have a higher score for that.

The 'East European' are Chuvash from Central Russia.

'Caucasus' is Georgia.
10-10-2010, 01:04 PM
Aino

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

I got 4% southern Euro and 80% North Western Euro(highest of the forumites):cool:

I have 0% southern Euro (Mediterranean), 0% Middle East, 0% Caucasus, and 0% North Africa. :cool:
10-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Ibericus

Spaniards average 57 % NorthWest Euro, North Italians 49 % and French 65 %
10-10-2010, 01:52 PM
San Galgano

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10-10-2010, 02:09 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aino

I have 0% southern Euro (Mediterranean), 0% Middle East, 0% Caucasus, and 0% North Africa. :cool:

...

but you are still not as North Western as me!:D
10-10-2010, 02:22 PM
San Galgano

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10-10-2010, 02:28 PM
Aino

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

...

but you are still not as North Western as me!:D

:rolleyes:

I am the most northern sample on all the MDS plots. I win. :p
10-10-2010, 02:32 PM
Ibericus

Quote:

Originally Posted by San Galgano

Pallantides mate, have you got the italian samples?

Here you have mate :

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3496/tusc.png

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7700/nit.png

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6339/itao.png
10-10-2010, 02:39 PM
San Galgano

Thanks Iberia!
Where do you find them?

p.s
Is there the possibility to see the division in Atlanto-med, Nwest etc as the Romanian and Spanish sample?

I always heard there is a good percentage of atlanto-med in N.Italians and Tuscans, i'm curious to see.
10-10-2010, 02:58 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aino

:rolleyes:

I am the most northern sample on all the MDS plots. I win. :p

Yes you're a 100% pure Nordic godess...

I'm just a dirty north-western mongrel.
10-11-2010, 10:17 AM
Pallantides

My top 10 matches(NO2)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8382/no2first.jpg

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