Central Asian paternal Y-DNA mtDNA ( Turkish chart ) Mongoloid Caucasian Turks haplogroups

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Originally Posted by Rethel

You are aware, that your changing ideas makes in
that moment your proofs under very deep doubt?


Ok, so Andamaneses never were yellow, yes?
So if they carry basal D, ancestral to the rest,
how the rest could be originally mongoloid?



And I have the problems with english,
when native speaks such gibberish... :laugh:

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I like how you try not answer anything on mtDNA M.

They were never white, never yellow , never Indian, NEVER negroid either. The humans who carried D could have looked like some weird ass homosapiens as they migrated they morphed to their envrioments. Where's evidence that first humans who carried D dna was some kind of negroid looking human.

Do you honestly think the ancestors of Ainu morphed from negroid to it's Caucasian looking form today ? NO. The ancestors Ainu were the Jomon and their remains shows Ainu (the pure-bred ones ) indicate nothing similar to negroid but to Jomons. The Jomon existed long before the Ainu but a physical correlation can be seen even today.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ro0z0l.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rethel

And I have the problems with english,
when native speaks such gibberish... :laugh:

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Well I'm sorry, I accidentally edited out the part I wrote.

I was mean't to say " You're delusional if you think Y-DNA and mtDNA did not accompanied eachother ".

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

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Originally Posted by Thevillager

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

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Haplogroup N is Mongoloid where as R1a is not Mongoloid however it's been found Mongoloids predating the Turkic language and ethnicity.
The fact that these Part Mongoloid males have R1a buried with Caucasoid females is evidence that Turkic conquerors were both Mongoloid and Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix.


Pazyryk culture

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "



History Unearthed: A Survey of Eighteen Archaeological Sites Throughout the World

" Though almost 3000 miles separate the Scythian Empire from Pazyryk, both belonged to a world shared by peoples of different origins and languages (in one burial the man is of Mongoloid, the woman of Indo-European type) with a common burials of Europoid females and part Mongoloid males. "




Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.


" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural mixed type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641901/tyurk1.jpg

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641909/f-u1.jpg

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

Haplogroup N is Mongoloid where as R1a is not Mongoloid however it's been found Mongoloids predating the Turkic language and ethnicity.
The fact that these Part Mongoloid males have R1a buried with Caucasoid females is evidence that Turkic conquerors were both Mongoloid and Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix.


Pazyryk culture

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "



History Unearthed: A Survey of Eighteen Archaeological Sites Throughout the World

" Though almost 3000 miles separate the Scythian Empire from Pazyryk, both belonged to a world shared by peoples of different origins and languages (in one burial the man is of Mongoloid, the woman of Indo-European type) with a common burials of Europoid females and part Mongoloid males. "




Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.


" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural mixed type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641901/tyurk1.jpg

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641909/f-u1.jpg

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Yeah Pazyryk were basically caucasoids with some mongoloid introgression. Scythian R1a mixing with Mongoloid N is what gave rise to proto-Turkic ethnic groups.

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Originally Posted by Thevillager

Yeah Pazyryk were basically caucasoids with some mongoloid introgression. Scythian R1a mixing with Mongoloid N is what gave rise to proto-Turkic ethnic groups.

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They are predominant Caucasoids because the females are Caucasoids and the males are also Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix.

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Originally Posted by Thevillager

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

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What haplogroup do Turks in Europe belong to? I sincerely doubt its one of the asiatic y-dna's..

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Originally Posted by Adelmus

What haplogroup do Turks in Europe belong to? I sincerely doubt its one of the asiatic y-dna's..

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If they are Turks from the Middle east than it could be very different

If they are from Turkey than their haplogroups would be similar to those from Turkey.


Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people[edit]

Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people.[7]

According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[7] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 – 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a – 1%.



Some of the percentages identified were:[7]


J2=24% - J2 (M172)[7] Typical of Mediterranean, Caucasian, Western and Central Asian populations.[23]
R1b=14.7%[7] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages.
G=10.9%[7] – Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
E3b-M35=10.7%[7] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[24] Haplogroup E-M123 is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
J1=9%[7] – Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
R1a=6.9%[7] – Common in various Central Asian, Indian, Central- and Eastern European populations.
I=5.3%[7] – Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
K=4.5%[7] – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L=4.2%[7] – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N=3.8%[7] – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T=2.5%[7] – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q=1.9%[7] – Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
C=1.3%[7] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
R2=0.96% [7] – Typical of South Asian population

Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a, O, R1*.


The Mongoloid Asiatic ones would be C, Q, O. N. The Indian one is R2 but L in Turkey could be partly Indian.

haplogroup DE is proto-Turkic, too. its ancient Turanian.

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Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan

haplogroup DE is proto-Turkic, too. its ancient Turanian.

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Say simply that whole alphabet is turkic. It will be easier for you :)