Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Ti mund të kesh lexuar debatet deri në sharje ndërmjet meje dhe këtij tipi. Pyetja është, a i lexon pisllëqet që poston bubuja, por jo vetëm ai?

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Po, te dy po i lexoj. Ska pse merztiesh, muhabete teorina mej ba qejfin vetes po shkembejn te dy,lol

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Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

Po, te dy po i lexoj. Ska pse merztiesh, muhabete teorina mej ba qejfin vetes po shkembejn te dy,lol

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Jo, këto nuk janë muhabete teoria. Unë nuk di ndonjë komb tjetër që të sillet në mënyrë kaq të papërgjegjshme këtu në këtë forum. Nga i nxirrni këto teori për prezencën sllave në Jug? Keni ndonjë dokument që ta provoni këtë? Se unë po lexoj vetëm pisllëqe, por asnjë provë të vetme.

This is a revenge for the arvanite threads in greek section lol.

that's why i asked in the other page from where are taken this tests , how many they are etc.

There's nothing real in it. I can make now a genetic map put it in internet and take it as reference .

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Originally Posted by ilir

This is a revenge for the arvanite threads in greek section lol.

that's why i asked in the other page from where are taken this tests , how many they are etc.

There's nothing real in it. I can make now a genetic map put it in internet and take it as reference .

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How is it revenge? I asked a simple question and want to see if there is an answer. The map is from eupedia and various sources were used to make it.

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Originally Posted by ilir

This is a revenge for the arvanite threads in greek section lol.

that's why i asked in the other page from where are taken this tests , how many they are etc.

There's nothing real in it. I can make now a genetic map put it in internet and take it as reference .

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This is a revenge of this couple of faggots, Scholarios and bubu. They have used this retard Sorcelow as a tool. This is the truth.
Now let try to give a bit of seriousness to a thread that is evident an trolling thread.
I challenge every one here to prove this theory of this slavic sea in South Albania. I have said many times that i don't understand genetics, no problem, i will accept any genetic data here to be discussed.

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Originally Posted by Sokoli

There are ancient cities in the south and the people that founded them had slaves, hence slavic dna. That E-V13 is a slave originating haplogroup too.

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Originally Posted by Sokoli

I don't know what haplogroup is slavic. I don't think haplogropus can be linked to ethnicities, especially ethnicities created after Christ.

However, the facts are these:
* The people that founded the ancient cities had slaves. No doubt about that.
* (Maybe) there were slaves brought from north (I don't think so), but there is no doubt that there were slaves brought from the south, from Africa and Middle East. E1b (and all its derivations) is the first candidate for being linked to those slaves, because most of E1b carriers are still in Africa.

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:picard2:
It seems you have no clue about haplogroups, but yet are making these ridiculous claims.
Then again, why am I even wasting my time to respond to this crap.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

This is a revenge of this couple of faggots, Scholarios and bubu. They have used this retard Sorcelow as a tool. This is the truth.
Now let try to give a bit of seriousness to a thread that is evident an trolling thread.
I challenge every one here to prove this theory of this slavic sea in South Albania. I have said many times that i don't understand genetics, no problem, i will accept any genetic data here to be discussed.

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If you cant make a serious contribution then get off the thread.

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

How is it revenge? I asked a simple question and want to see if there is an answer. The map is from eupedia and various sources were used to make it.

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To make a map you test first the people. Where this tests have taken place??
Second you have to know who you are testing, because if you plain to test 50 persons and you test 25 in a slav speaking minority village as we know they are and 25 in other areas than you will have fake statistics.
You can't discuss based on nothing.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

This is a revenge of this couple of faggots, Scholarios and bubu. They have used this retard Sorcelow as a tool. This is the truth.
Now let try to give a bit of seriousness to a thread that is evident an trolling thread.
I challenge every one here to prove this theory of this slavic sea in South Albania. I have said many times that i don't understand genetics, no problem, i will accept any genetic data here to be discussed.

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But can you please answer the OP question? Thanks

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

If you cant make a serious contribution then get off the thread.

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Originally Posted by Europa Nazione

:cry2

Here we talk about I2a1b Dinaric, not I2a1, which evolved long time ago.
So, mods, change this thread name to ''Slavic I2a1b in southern Albania''.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

So, you are suggesting that the OP is an idiot who don't know a shit of what he is trying to discuss here, right?

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Originally Posted by Europa Nazione

He simply don't know which term to use, like 90% people which discuss about genetics.

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Do you understand that you are a idiot. This two faggots made the wrong decision when they chose you as a first player. You are a retard.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

But can you please answer the OP question? Thanks

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What is the question Scholarios?

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From this study, Bosch, E.; Calafell, F.; González-Neira, A.; Flaiz, C; Mateu, E; Scheil, HG; Huckenbeck, W; Efremovska, L; et al. (2006). "Paternal and maternal lineages in the Balkans show a homogeneous landscape over linguistic barriers, except for the isolated Aromuns". Annals of Human Genetics, the i2a1 in southern Albania is due to the Vlachs, some groups have over 40% of it. But I still find it strange as to why they have such high levels of it, regarding their proximity to Croatia and Bosnia.

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

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From this study, Bosch, E.; Calafell, F.; González-Neira, A.; Flaiz, C; Mateu, E; Scheil, HG; Huckenbeck, W; Efremovska, L; et al. (2006). "Paternal and maternal lineages in the Balkans show a homogeneous landscape over linguistic barriers, except for the isolated Aromuns". Annals of Human Genetics, the i2a1 in southern Albania is due to the Vlachs, some groups have over 40% of it.

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So this haplogroup is not from slavs like you said in OP but from Vlachs. Do you understand now why i consider you an idiot?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

So this haplogroup is not from slavs like you said in OP but from Vlachs. Do you understand now why i consider you an idiot?

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No, you are the idiot, the haplogroup originated amongst Slavs and was brought to southern Albania by the Aromanians, who have this slavic ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Do you understand that you are a idiot. This two faggots made the wrong decision when they chose you as a first player. You are a retard.

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Still better than you, degenerate sophist chumlek-for-brains. GTFO out the thread, like Sorcelow says if you can't provide anything but pathetic digressions.



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3N...F=w599-h469-no

There's the story of Slavic I2a1b in Albania. Nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

No, you are the idiot, the haplogroup originated amongst Slavs and was brought to southern Albania by the Aromanians, who have this slavic ancestry.

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Until now this thread has prove only one thing, this couple of faggots has used and abused with an idiot like you. Now you have to understand something, you are out of game. This two faggots have the honor to continue the game. Do you understand? Because you have difficulties to understand.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Still better than you, degenerate sophist chumlek-for-brains. GTFO out the thread, like Sorcelow says if you can't provide anything but pathetic digressions.



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3N...F=w599-h469-no

There's the story of Slavic I2a1b in Albania. Nuff said.

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Where are all this slavs?

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results

This is the way to discuss
there is a number there, are all haplogroups of all the members
all the rest is just speculation. If you enjoy it, ok i am happy for you.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Until now this thread has prove only one thing, this couple of faggots has used and abused with an idiot like you. Now you have to understand something, you are out of game. This two faggots have the honor to continue the game. Do you understand? Because you have difficulties to understand.

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Geezus- how fast is that gianormous head of yours spinning ? It's gonna be okay, little feller. Just try your best not to imagine your ancestor who hatched from a Slav0vlach zygote.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Where are all this slavs?

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Their blood is coursing thru the veins of every I2 and R1a male in Toskeria, for one. (nevermind the Slavic culture and language is dead there, aside from around Prespa Lakes and in thousands of toponymy)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3N...F=w599-h469-no



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6t...k=w599-h416-no

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Geezus- how fast is that gianormous head of yours spinning ? It's gonna be okay, little feller. Just try your best not to imagine your ancestor who hatched from a Slav0vlach zygote.

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Scholarios, if you want to discuss, i am here. If you want to troll, ask for blowjob to your bubu.
First, tell us what is your theory.
Second, elaborate your theory.
Third, use credible sources to prove your theory, genetics is accepted.
Fourth, go ahead, i am waiting.

sources given, mon ami. ad nauseum in fact. Now please, answer the question dear- why so much Slavic i2a1b in South Albania? Are the books about Slavic sea in South Albania lying as conspiracy of the Great SOROS? I am confused. Please don't give up- I'd like to see how bad your English gets as you try to formulate your next poor excuse for trolling.

Thanks IN ADVANCE.

Laberia, how did you know that me and Scholarios made Sorcelow make this thread? This was supposed to be a secret.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

sources given, mon ami. ad nauseum in fact. Now please, answer the question dear- why so much Slavic i2a1b in South Albania? Are the books about Slavic sea in South Albania lying as conspiracy of the Great SOROS? I am confused. Please don't give up- I'd like to see how bad your English gets as you try to formulate your next poor excuse for trolling.

Thanks IN ADVANCE.

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Where you have read all this presence of i2a1b in South Albania? Can you provide a source please?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Where you have read all this presence of i2a1b in South Albania? Can you provide a source please?

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The I here is mostly I2-Din, i.e., I2a1b. Additionally, you have some R1, it isn't specific about how much R1a, but I've seen other studies going from 9 to 16%. Meaning it's beyond doubt that you have at least around a third or more Slavic Y-DNA in Tosks. When you also take into account that South Slavs aren't exclusively I2-Din and R1a, it means that the genetic contribution of the Slavs in South Albania in terms of Y-DNA was even greater than a third. Every Tosk has a Pyotr, Dima and Vadim inside of him.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT.../albanians.png

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Where you have read all this presence of i2a1b in South Albania? Can you provide a source please?

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http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015138a.html

Ghegs get around 6% I2+r1a combined.

Tosks about 23%

Arbereshe about 30%

(I do not count I1- brought by Normans, Goths, Catalans, etc)


You can interpret that any way your little heart desires.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015138a.html

Ghegs get around 6% I2+r1a combined.

Tosks about 23%

Arbereshe about 30%

(I do not count I1- brought by Normans, Goths, Catalans, etc)


You can interpret that any way your little heart desires.

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How percent is the I2a1 and how is tghe R1a?
And another question. Is this I2a1 the same with I2a-Din?

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

The I here is mostly I2-Din, i.e., I2a1b. Additionally, you have some R1, it isn't specific about how much R1a, but I've seen other studies going from 9 to 16%. Meaning it's beyond doubt that you have at least around a third or more Slavic Y-DNA in Tosks. When you also take into account that South Slavs aren't exclusively I2-Din and R1a, it means that the genetic contribution of the Slavs in South Albania in terms of Y-DNA was even greater than a third. Every Tosk has a Pyotr, Dima and Vadim inside of him.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT.../albanians.png

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Can you tell me the source of your study? How do you know that I2-Din is a slavic haplogroup?

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

The I here is mostly I2-Din, i.e., I2a1b. Additionally, you have some R1, it isn't specific about how much R1a, but I've seen other studies going from 9 to 16%. Meaning it's beyond doubt that you have at least around a third or more Slavic Y-DNA in Tosks. When you also take into account that South Slavs aren't exclusively I2-Din and R1a, it means that the genetic contribution of the Slavs in South Albania in terms of Y-DNA was even greater than a third. Every Tosk has a Pyotr, Dima and Vadim inside of him.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT.../albanians.png

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I doubt that the part underlined is true. I think that you have a lot of Ratko in your blood.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

How percent is the I2a1 and how is tghe R1a?
And another question. Is this I2a1 the same with I2a-Din?

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For the first question, you shall have to read the article,

for the 2nd question- Yes, I2a1b- 3/4 of it, and probably most of the rest was also brought during Dark Age invasions IMHO. (this is also its origin among Greeks, as well, where it reaches similar levels, relative to region)

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Can you tell me the source of your study? How do you know that I2-Din is a slavic haplogroup?

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https://link.springer.com/article/10...414-010-0432-x

It undoubtedly is if you know anything about population genetics. It originated in Poland somewhere around the Carpathian mountains and spread from there. It's only estimated to be around 2k years old, so it's a very recent haplogroup. It peaks, by far, among South Slavs, in particular Slavs in Bosnia.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

For the first question, you shall have to read the article,

for the 2nd question- Yes, I2a1b- 3/4 of it, and probably most of the rest was also brought during Dark Age invasions IMHO. (this is also its origin among Greeks, as well, where it reaches similar levels, relative to region)

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For the first question, i asked you because i belive that you have read this article.
For the second question, i am reading Eupedia and i see that there is no consensus if I2a-Din is of slavic origine or Paleolithic continuity. The result is in favour of Paleolithic continuity: 60 51.28% vs 37 31.62%
Here is the link:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/poll.ph...do=showresults
How do you explain this?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

I doubt that the part underlined is true. I think that you have a lot of Ratko in your blood.

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The closest I get to having any Ratko in my blood is that H7, my mtDNA, is strongly associated with Germans. The genetic calculators I've done usually gives me below average components associated with Slavs. My genetic story might not be so shameful, my mothers great-great-great ancestor was a Greta, or maybe Heidi. It means my E-V13 EthnoVlakk ancestor cucked Germans, which is natural. Your Albanian ancestry, however, consists of Donikas and Besjanas making love to Vadims.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

For the first question, i asked you because i belive that you have read this article.
For the second question, i am reading Eupedia and i see that there is no consensus if I2a-Din is of slavic origine or Paleolithic continuity. The result is in favour of Paleolithic continuity: 60 51.28% vs 37 31.62%
Here is the link:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/poll.ph...do=showresults
How do you explain this?

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Hahahahaha, this guy. :pound:

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

The closest I get to having any Ratko in my blood is that H7, my mtDNA, is strongly associated with Germans. The genetic calculators I've done usually gives me below average components associated with Slavs. My genetic story might not be so shameful, my mothers great-great-great ancestor was a Greta, or maybe Heidi. It means my E-V13 EthnoVlakk ancestor cucked Germans, which is natural.

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Nice that you accept that you have some ratko in your blood. It`s not something new for me, i was sure after reading your posts.

Scholarios, your hypothesis of this slavic sea in South Albania is based in the test of DNA of 104 Tosk Albanias(we don`t know from what region of South Albania are this people) and you posted a I2+r1a combined result of 23%. I said that i don`t know from genetic and for this reason i will repeat my question. How many of this 104 people are R1a and how many are I2a-Din?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

For the first question, i asked you because i belive that you have read this article.
For the second question, i am reading Eupedia and i see that there is no consensus if I2a-Din is of slavic origine or Paleolithic continuity. The result is in favour of Paleolithic continuity: 60 51.28% vs 37 31.62%
Here is the link:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/poll.ph...do=showresults
How do you explain this?

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I2a1-Dinaric also known as I2a1b (M423) is Slavic bro. They were not originally Slavs, they got Slavicized behind the Carpathian mountains by "real" Slavs, and they have arrived with Slavs on Balkan.
Not big deal tho, it is what it is. Just saying it.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/cont...ogroup_I2a.gif

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Hahahahaha, this guy. :pound:

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You can laugh but nothing change the fact that you are originary from the balls of Ratko.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Scholarios, your hypothesis of this slavic sea in South Albania is based in the test of DNA of 104 Tosk Albanias(we don`t know from what region of South Albania are this people) and you posted a I2+r1a combined result of 23%. I said that i don`t know from genetic and for this reason i will repeat my question. How many of this 104 people are R1a and how many are I2a-Din?

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Ore ca meresh me kta kok pidhat ? Kta na beren slav te mixuar me turk edhe vlech te ter shqiptaret e jugut.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Nice that you accept that you have some ratko in your blood. It`s not something new for me, i was sure after reading your posts.

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Even if I did have any clearly Slavic ancestry, I wouldn't mind it. Slavs are an accomplished group of people, far more so than Albanians. You have a hard time swallowing the more than one in three possibility that you have direct Slavic ancestry on your paternal side.

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Originally Posted by Dema

I2a1-Dinaric also known as I2a1b (M423) is Slavic bro. They were not originally Slavs, they got Slavicized behind the Carpathian mountains by "real" Slavs, and they have arrived with Slavs on Balkan.
Not big deal tho, it is what it is. Just saying it.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/cont...ogroup_I2a.gif

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Ok, but i see that there is not consensus about this. The members of this forum, Eupedia, are just nickname and we don`t know if any of them is a real expert or they are just amateurs, but this lack of consensus exist. Is your explanation accepted by all scholars or exist contradiction?