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Recharge your battery, NOW! Your 35% scare meQuote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
Go back to bosnia and finish the job you left unfinished, build pyramids.Quote:
Originally Posted by olive picker
http://www.300spartanwarriors.com/im...anWarriors.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Many of them were clearly blond:
https://aelarsen.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/3003.jpg
Its not just that though. Era here is more neolithic than me and less WHG and matches them less from the looks of it. I think its more to do with WHG. But I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Im just trolling man. It just seems me and him are more Northern with more WHG and less neolithic but hes even more northern due to also more steppe it seems. But yea, his maternal side apparently are same side as my mother and we also match paternally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Maybe its very ancient Celto Ilyrian. But we also seem closer to Monteniggas.
I know bro, it's just funny as hell :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
WHG doesn't pull you north, but west in most cases for Europeans. The most accurate way to determine your WHG is to take the basal-rich k7 but that one costs. The north_sea, atlantic etc. is not really WHG, but based upon modern components. You will never really be able to tell, but as far as I know the basal rich k7 is the most accurate to date. However it is actually the steppe/ ANE pulling you north. Look at Sardinians for example, they have probably 2-3% more WHG than Austrians, yet they still end up a lot more south on most PCA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
WHG does pull North-West, since EEF gets lowered the more WHG one scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
Look at Basque(WHG-EEF) vs Sardinians(EEF) in the K15 plotting map. Basques are a good deal more northern unless something is off.
Yeah i know but i dont really have more steppe but seems same based on other calcsQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
Its rather more neolithic that pulls some Albanians more south, while i get more whg and less neolithic
I also get northern italian on calcs etc while some other albs here get more Tuscan.. so seems rather maybe we Albanians who get northern italy have ancestry from overall from north of the Balkans but according to them it must be from servian wives meern...
Funny thing, i match northern italy more and get that on calcs more than croatia, serbia and even Montenegro... so that peak in Montenegro is most likely from montenigrin Albanians overall
Albanians are everywhere, from Peloponnesse to North Italy. We own da place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
That's not a given bro. In Sardinians you can claim that their WHG pulls them south since their WHG lowers their ANE. Look at where Spaniards plot in comparison to Finns. Believe it or not, they have around the same levels of WHG. Basal-rich K7 gives Finns less, but it doesn't account for the fact that Villabruna who is used as WHG in that calc. was from that region meaning higher likely-hood of shared genetic similarity + ANE contains some WHG-like stuff in it. However overall Finns and Spaniards are basically equal in terms of WHG, yet they still plot way more south and way more west. Give a Moroccan more WHG and it will pull him north, but the main difference between n. Euros and s. Euros is ANE not WHG so 1% WHG will pull a European less north than 1% ANE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Actually Basque-like ancestry would make an Albanian more N. Italian like rather than Balto-slavic (say Lithuanian/ Polish) and that's due to the fact that n. Italians have very, very little steppe/ ANE. They have around only 9%. For comparison Sicilians have 10%, Albanians have 12% so if you were Serbian mixed, you'd likely be pulled more towards Montenegrins than n. Italians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
I dont match northern slavs much.. rather south slavs got a lot of balkan inputQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
But a lot of Montenigrins have Albanian ancestry as they really did come from tribes that were Albanian such as the tribe my maternal side comes from, there are a bunch of serbs/montenigrins that belong to this tribe originally and even other tribes and carry tribal Albanian nammes with slavic suffix like Kucic from Albanian kuqi and Kastratovic from Albanian Kastrati etc, and Serbian historians claimed their founders as Slavs but genetics disproves this rather Serbs have a lot of Balkan Albanian input without a doubt which pulls many of them more south rather than us,north. even Coon called Montenigrins slavized Albanians after studying them and they spread into Serbia, Kosovo etc.
So when I get Serbian its usually Montenigrins as they are the closest south slavs to me probably.
Sometimes these calcs give me greek etc but i noticed in many that north italian comes up first but not always of course as i also match Southern balkans etc. so its usually except for Albanian, greek , montenigrin/serbian, tuscan, Northern italian, bulgarian and romanian.
I dont get much baltic or east euro , rather i get north sea which pulls me north while other Southern plotting Albanians get more east med which pulls them more south.
Im basically eastern shifted north italian
I don't think you understood what I meant. North Italians aren't really that north. Look at this PCA based upon the basal-rich k7 that basically splits Europeans into three ancestries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
1. Villabruna related (WHG) pulls you west and a tiny bit north
2. ANE pulls you very north and eastwards
3. basal Eurasian pulls you south
http://i.imgur.com/xkkRyQY.jpg
A 90% Albo and 10% Serb is basically as similar to a n. Italian as a 100% Albo. N. Italians aren't really northern. They're like Iberians with less WHG and more basal.
Right...Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
its not really north where i plot or even indicates foreign influence but they are just so butthurt i plot more Northern than them , i plot more Northern because i get more northern italy and more northern areas while others get more south but youre right its not really north.
they really think we're all gonna plot at the same spot , strong low iqs.. my results dont indicate balto slavic influence or even foreign influence, here i match northern italy more than northern slavic countries or even croatia, slovenia etc.. balkan slavs got a lot of Balkan input...
These Albanians are fucking stupid man. Theyre dumb as they fucking come. Apparently a pure Albanian must be even more south than iberians etc. Thats totally bullshit..
I think its possible for a pure blooded Albanian to plot east of north italy like i do but according to Albos here nahhh nan it aint possible, too northern.. serbiiian wives meen.. some of them got more slavic ancestry as they even said they took serbian brides yet more Southern... these fking tards only used few samples and think they make up some pure cluster. ChocolateFace probably plots even more northern than me.
Well, I plot east of Northern Italians while some other Albanians plot more south i.e East of Tuscans or even more south and they get tuscan, sicilian etc high here and other calcs while I get northern italian which explains why im more north but there are plenty of Albanians like me too and even more north of me. Northern italians are the Northern most plotting italians overall.. but these things are rather ancient but the low iq albos cannot understand that. I dont even plot that north and some ancient samples plotted north like that too . Its apparently ''north'' for Albanians here, rather they are extremely south as i told them before which is why i suggested they could have more greco tosk ancestry rather than ancestry from the Northern balkans as they are way too southern plotting.
XenofobicPRussian here was saying those Ilyrian samples plotted with northern italians or east of them or something and that balkanites have become more south :lol:
Apparently ilyrians, thracians etc were like eastetn italians
Neither does plotting north east like ive seen some Albanian do indicate slavic, where you end rather depends on what you score and where you get pulled.
But theres no point talkong to these fking tards... me getting northern italy etc while they overall more Southern areas should explain why i plot more Northern which isnt obviously balto slavic influence...
But youre absolutely right its not even northern and normal for an Albanian like me... it could easily be a pure Albanian cluster.
I agree with most of what you say but Iberians are not "more South", we're more Western shifted and plot Northern (than Albos in this case).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
https://s18.postimg.org/p54fbfjtz/K15_V3_1.png
My WHG isnt really high compared to west euros etc. Just compared to these Southern plotting faggot Albanians it might be...they get more neolithic. its only like 2% difference in some, others get same as me.
And i was right that they plot more Southern because they are more Southern Balkan and more similar to Southern italians etc while im overall more northern rather than Balto slavic influence. This is what this map says atleast. I also really do seem more related to Malsors.
Nah i didnt mean youre more Southern... but a pure Albanian can plot as northern as a portuguese or northern italian is what i meant and doesnt imply foreign ancestry it just depends on the people you use.. Northern italy isnt even that north and geographically same as northern balkans, but according to Albanians here to plot there must be from Serbian wives lol... if it had been a more northern geographical area than the Balkans i would agree but northern italy is just seperated from Balkans by an ocean, a beautiful ocean... if it had been austria or something more northern or half way to hungary etc then yes but where i plot isnt even north rather some of these who are claiming its north are rather extremely south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viriato
kosovar average there was ca. North east of Tuscans.. i plotted right north of it and its just an average meaning youll have a bunch of people plotting north of it and even south and the more people you add to the average the more it probably changes etc.
Some here plotted very south of it.
What is making you plot northern has probably nothing to do with Slavic components, in your case at least. I cluster very well with North Italians and I have virtually zero Slav/Balkan ancestry. What's making you plot there is probably a combination of higher than Albanian average of West Med + North Sea, while Albos plotting southern are more East Med + West Asian shifted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
What is your ancestry?Quote:
Originally Posted by MysteriousWays
Mostly mix of Ashkenazi Jewish and Eastern Sephardic Jewish. I have minor southern German and possibly Romanian (non-Jewish) as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Era
That's the usual Italian_Bergamo HGDP sample that hardly represents the variability of Northern Italy. And also Swiss Italians are ethnically "north Italian". Actually Ali Pasha Tepelena matches with Italian_Friuli, not with Italian_Bergamo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
What's wrong with that sample?Quote:
Originally Posted by Percivalle
BTW Swiss Italians
ANE: 11.0885714
Basal: 37.0328571
Villabruna: 51.6085714
Bergamo
ANE: 8.8933333
Basal: 39.51
Villabruna: 51.5066667
Swiss Italians are basically just slightly more northeastern than Bergamo-Italians, but they're basically the same. PCA makes the differences seem very large since ANE in Europeans changes the position very much even when the difference is only really about 2% ANE from Bergamo Italians to Swiss Italians, otherwise they're basically identical.
That simply doesn't represent well the variability of north Italians, especially of the north-eastern Italians. I've surely seen more Italian results than you, trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
For the rest I can't give a fuck of any comparison with Martians, Vesuvians or Iberians: genetics of populations uses the whole genome and PCA chart includes the SNPs that are in the non-coding regions invisible to the eyes, while phenotypes are controlled by very few SNPs subject to sexual selection.
Swiss Italians should be more northwestern than Bergamo-Italians. If a PCA shows that they are more northeastern, well that PCA isn't that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
Xenophobicprussian is a retard with zero credibility. He was debunked already by the JAZ1(Montenegro Bronze Age sample) graph who was nowhere near North Italians, but to Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
Plotting close with North Italians does not have much if anything to do with Illyrians at all.
If you actually read my posts there and not Xenophobicprussians shit, then you should have seen me debunking him:
http://i.imgur.com/8Lgw3Ae.png
Not just that, there's a lot of factors at play. Plotting of different populations is not related to their phenotypes even when they plot similar. It would be like saying Rn97 looks Austrian cause he plots there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percivalle
Of course you're right, there's a lot of factors at play that hardly are caught by a PCA based on the entire genome. Similarity plots don't produce similar phenotypes, that's quite true. Anyway he doesn't look Austrian to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Era
He doesn't, that's my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percivalle
In fact I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Era
https://image.ibb.co/kJttNv/2017_07_...Similitude.png
https://image.ibb.co/fvajUa/2017_07_...Similitude.png
https://image.ibb.co/mUs9vF/2017_07_...Similitude.png
Looks like my closest genetic cousins are Egyptians, Southern Levantines, Iraqis, Cypriots and other MENA peoples.
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Originally Posted by Era
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Originally Posted by Percivalle
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Originally Posted by Era
Thanks for circle-jerking for 4 acutal posts about how I don't look Austrian for no god damn reason. I've never once claimed that I do. I'm sure those Austrians are too damn nordic for a nigger like me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Percivalle
Sometimes, you're annoying as hell. I just asked you what you think was wrong with the sample, you don't need to chimp out. I didn't even compare Italians to Iberians. I don't give a damn about your petty, idiotic internet war. I know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always. I never claimed so. I discussed genetics, not phenotype. BTW that PCA puts me closest to Croats by far, then Bosnians closely followed by AustriansQuote:
Originally Posted by Percivalle
http://i.imgur.com/EGyv758.png
Most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well. It doesn't make sense that someone would be genetically close, but look totally different. You simply can't find examples of this. If you do, it's quite rare and environment is often the cause. Most that plot together, also look like each other. In my case I might have inherited some dominant features from my mom or dad that doesn't exactly make me look identical to the populations I plot with. However, overall a PCA plot that would only use phenotype SNPs would probably look mostly similar to one that does not. That's just reality and the exceptions are irrelevant as a rule always has exceptions, it doesn't make it invalid.
Make up your mind mkkayQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
The similarity usually occurs between individuals of the same population because of the SNP segments inherited, actual physical inheritance. I brought you as an example to illustrate how plotting doesn't mean anything if the said SNP contributing are from a different stock. ( also cause you were talking to him and Percivalle made that argument)
It doesnt plot with Albanians, it plot with Bulgarians who are more north than you and some other Albanians here and even on that map its more northern than those Albanians used. Just look at the map , dude. I plot west of Bulgarian average on k15. You guys are even more south than Kosovo average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Youre not gonna plot with Jaz1 or even Bulgarians. I might and so might some other Albanians like ChocolateFace. On that ANE map Ibericus plotted me, Bulgarian average is north of me.
North italian is a broad term.. there are different areas. I plot just slight south and east of the average.
Didnt say it plots with Northern Italians but east of them which doesnt even look to be on that map.
Plotting with Northern Italians has nothing to do with Ilyrians, said who? By some people who plot more south than Iberians who you call Moors?
For what do I need to read your posts? Some of you are even more south than Tuscans and even mainland Greeks.
Lol you need to open your eyes, that Jaz1 plots similar to me or even more north. Its plotting north of Tuscans and Albanians there. Just look at where it says TUS. Its north of Tuscans. You, skerdi and others are not even north of Tuscany.
Lol @ thinking this thing will plot with you Lmao
It plots east of French. Northern Italy isnt there from the looks but it would plot east of northern italy or with them.
It's not like European groups are a totally different "stock". You know little what you're talking about. First of all if it's that incredibly hard to understand what you quoted me, I'll make it into one simple sentence using about the same words;Quote:
Originally Posted by Era
" know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always, however most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well" Only added one word, get it now?
Central Europeans are pretty much formed about the same way I was. The difference is only some 2-6k years difference and it's not like there is anything drastically different today. Have Romanians evolved horns in that time? What makes you think that the "stocks" are so different than from when the Austrians were formed from various European tribes?
Actually Skerdi is very well north of Tuscany, inbetween Tuscany and Bulgarians where JAZ1 most likely plot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
Components are not made equal, for example ANE has a different impact than WHG, makes for a different phenotype . You have just 3% non euro and it gives you a different look. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97