I think Jewish would make most sense, since they have a lot of east med + some west asian. A half Serbian, half Jewish person would plot more or less where she does.
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I think this might be the appropriate thread to post this in? Anyways, this is the K15 plot of one of my Montenegrin dna relatives who has listed two surnames being from western Herzegovina and one from northern Bosnia (the rest (4) are from Montenegro).
https://i.imgur.com/IAcXPr2.png
I guess I should post this guy here too, this is an extraordinary find, I can't believe I let it slip.
Anywhow, this man is a muslim from the Montenegrin part of Sandzak, a place called Vrbica. He has an Albanian haplogroup, R-Y32147 and among his relatives a ton are Albanians and one of the top matches is the banned member 'The Illyrian Warrior'. Interestingly, even despite that it seems he is closer to us than to the average Gheg.
Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.96
2 North_Atlantic 23.97
3 West_Med 18.86
4 East_Med 17.28
5 West_Asian 9.43
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.65
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.29
2 Serbian 4.27
3 Bulgarian 4.71
4 Moldavian 9.17
5 Croatian 11.7
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.88
8 Austrian 14.77
9 East_German 16.37
10 North_Italian 16.46
11 Tuscan 17.25
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.24
13 South_Polish 18.99
14 West_German 19.23
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.33
16 Ukrainian 19.41
17 French 19.58
18 Central_Greek 19.99
19 West_Sicilian 20.49
20 South_Dutch 20.66
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% Croatian + 47.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2
2 67.7% Croatian + 32.3% South_Italian @ 2.22
3 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% South_Polish @ 2.33
4 60.3% Greek_Thessaly + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.34
5 73.8% Bulgarian + 26.2% Croatian @ 2.37
6 63.9% Greek_Thessaly + 36.1% Polish @ 2.41
7 63.4% Croatian + 36.6% Central_Greek @ 2.42
8 55.6% Ukrainian + 44.4% South_Italian @ 2.44
9 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% East_German @ 2.47
10 51.4% Ukrainian + 48.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.51
11 64% Croatian + 36% West_Sicilian @ 2.55
12 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.56
13 53.7% Serbian + 46.3% Bulgarian @ 2.59
14 85% Romanian + 15% Croatian @ 2.6
15 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Polish @ 2.6
16 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% South_Polish @ 2.62
17 64.8% Croatian + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.62
18 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% Ukrainian @ 2.62
19 83.1% Bulgarian + 16.9% Ukrainian @ 2.63
20 58.9% Greek_Thessaly + 41.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.64
Eurogenes K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.05
2 North_Sea 16.28
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 14.18
5 East_Med 14.14
6 Eastern_Euro 10.71
7 West_Asian 8.46
8 Red_Sea 1.98
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Siberian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.57
2 Serbian 4.89
3 Bulgarian 4.91
4 Moldavian 8.55
5 Croatian 9.86
6 Hungarian 10.56
7 Austrian 10.91
8 Greek_Thessaly 11.92
9 Greek 12.86
10 East_German 14.82
11 North_Italian 14.89
12 Tuscan 15.14
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.91
14 South_Polish 16.47
15 Ukrainian 16.83
16 Italian_Abruzzo 17.48
17 French 17.88
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.24
19 Ashkenazi 18.28
20 Central_Greek 18.31
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Croatian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.75
2 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% South_Italian @ 2.14
3 61.8% Greek_Thessaly + 38.2% Polish @ 2.21
4 65.5% Croatian + 34.5% Central_Greek @ 2.32
5 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% Hungarian @ 2.32
6 55.1% Hungarian + 44.9% Greek @ 2.34
7 56.9% Greek + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 2.36
8 55.5% Greek + 44.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.38
9 56.9% Croatian + 43.1% Greek @ 2.42
10 56.4% Ukrainian + 43.6% South_Italian @ 2.5
11 58.3% Greek_Thessaly + 41.7% South_Polish @ 2.51
12 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.52
13 56.4% Greek + 43.6% South_Polish @ 2.53
14 57% South_Polish + 43% South_Italian @ 2.54
15 72.8% Croatian + 27.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.62
16 62.4% Greek_Thessaly + 37.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.69
17 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Ukrainian @ 2.7
18 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% East_German @ 2.72
19 65% Greek_Thessaly + 35% Estonian_Polish @ 2.75
20 52.8% Ukrainian + 47.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.77
Dodecad K12B:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 36.08
2 Atlantic_Med 27.54
3 Caucasus 23.58
4 Southwest_Asian 5.68
5 Gedrosia 5.17
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Northwest_African 0.91
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.76
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.22
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.66
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.38
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.12
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.11
7 German (Dodecad) 17.84
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.22
9 Greek (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.73
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.43
13 French (Dodecad) 20.99
14 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.04
15 French (HGDP) 21.13
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.65
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.4
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.66
19 English (Dodecad) 24.82
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.47
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.95
2 66.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.23
3 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
4 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.32
5 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.41
6 79.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.9% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
7 78.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.46
8 79.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.5
9 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.53
10 79.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.53
11 77.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
12 77.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.1% English (Dodecad) @ 1.6
13 68.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.62
14 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
15 64.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
16 72.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
17 77.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
18 74.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.71
19 73.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.72
20 78.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.74
Just one more thing: one of my dna relative's oldest ancestor was a hajduk from around Skadar and her coordinates are 492;253. There is a song about him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfdM9w5h-BE
Montenegrin from capital city Podgorica
1 North_Sea 18.28
2 Baltic 17.49
3 West_Med 15.86
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 East_Med 12.69
6 Eastern_Euro 12.43
7 West_Asian 5.61
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 0.96
Single Population Sharing:
1 Serbian 5.96
2 Romanian 7.15
3 Moldavian 8.23
4 Bulgarian 8.72
5 Croatian 9.96
6 Hungarian 10.02
7 Austrian 11.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
9 East_German 14.11
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.03
11 Greek 15.41
12 Ukrainian 15.75
13 North_Italian 15.76
14 South_Polish 15.95
15 Tuscan 16.68
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.48
17 French 17.49
18 West_German 18.26
19 Portuguese 18.29
20 Polish 18.44
Serb with surname Momčilović, possibly from Croatia
1 North_Sea 20.77
2 Baltic 19.05
3 West_Asian 15.69
4 Atlantic 12.98
5 Eastern_Euro 12.06
6 East_Med 10.13
7 West_Med 9.25
8 Oceanian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
1 Moldavian 7.94
2 Romanian 8.53
3 Serbian 8.99
4 Hungarian 10.11
5 Croatian 10.45
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Austrian 12.3
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14
9 East_German 14.26
10 South_Polish 14.74
11 Ukrainian 15.15
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.25
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.26
14 Polish 17.74
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.09
16 Southwest_Russian 18.16
17 West_German 18.73
18 Greek 18.97
19 South_Dutch 19.54
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.02
Here you go bro : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5807756
Best if you contact him, dude looks to have ton of Eastern European kits from all over.
another Serb I match on gedmatch, looks like high quality sample (very tight fit with Serb reference pop)
Admix Results (sorted):
1 North_Atlantic 26.51
2 Baltic 25.98
3 West_Med 16.38
4 East_Med 15.98
5 West_Asian 10.69
6 Siberian 1.11
7 Amerindian 0.92
8 South_Asian 0.77
9 Northeast_African 0.71
10 Red_Sea 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.38
Single Population Sharing:
1 Serbian 2.94
2 Romanian 3.45
3 Bulgarian 6.22
4 Moldavian 8.67
5 Hungarian 9.76
6 Croatian 11.04
7 Austrian 12.51
8 East_German 14.33
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.33
10 West_German 16.5
11 North_Italian 16.55
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.58
13 French 17.69
14 Tuscan 17.79
15 South_Polish 17.93
16 South_Dutch 18.16
17 Ukrainian 18.8
18 Italian_Abruzzo 19.77
19 Portuguese 20.1
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.57
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Hungarian @ 1.58
2 82.4% Romanian + 17.6% East_German @ 1.64
3 89% Romanian + 11% North_Swedish @ 1.65
4 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% East_German @ 1.76
5 80.3% Bulgarian + 19.7% North_Swedish @ 1.76
6 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Swedish @ 1.77
7 80.7% Romanian + 19.3% Austrian @ 1.78
8 89.3% Romanian + 10.7% Swedish @ 1.79
9 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.79
10 67.6% Bulgarian + 32.4% Austrian @ 1.85
11 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Hungarian @ 1.87
12 90% Romanian + 10% Norwegian @ 1.95
13 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% North_German @ 2
14 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Danish @ 2.04
15 81.4% Bulgarian + 18.6% Norwegian @ 2.06
16 91% Romanian + 9% Finnish @ 2.08
17 89.8% Romanian + 10.2% North_Dutch @ 2.09
18 86.7% Romanian + 13.3% South_Polish @ 2.1
19 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% North_German @ 2.13
20 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Estonian @ 2.14
I posted this in another thread but this one is maybe better.
This is a Serb (I think judging from his surnames) from around Knin:
K15
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5
2 Serbian 5.1
3 Bulgarian 6.87
4 Austrian 8.39
5 Moldavian 9.93
6 Croatian 10.06
7 Hungarian 10.49
8 East_German 12.97
9 North_Italian 13.71
10 Greek 14.45
11 Greek_Thessaly 14.49
12 Tuscan 15.03
13 French 15.2
14 South_Dutch 15.74
15 Spanish_Cataluna 16.29
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.61
17 Portuguese 16.65
18 South_Polish 16.68
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.86
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.95
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% French_Basque @ 2.77
2 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% Austrian @ 2.91
3 64.3% Austrian + 35.7% Greek @ 2.95
4 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% North_German @ 3.02
5 71.5% Bulgarian + 28.5% South_Dutch @ 3.02
6 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Irish @ 3.05
7 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.13
8 77.8% Bulgarian + 22.2% Southeast_English @ 3.14
9 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Southwest_French @ 3.14
10 77.4% Bulgarian + 22.6% Southwest_English @ 3.16
11 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% East_German @ 3.19
12 71.5% Austrian + 28.5% Central_Greek @ 3.23
13 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Austrian @ 3.3
14 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Danish @ 3.31
15 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% North_Dutch @ 3.42
16 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% South_Italian @ 3.42
17 52.9% East_German + 47.1% Greek @ 3.42
18 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Orcadian @ 3.43
19 84.3% Romanian + 15.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.5
20 85.2% Romanian + 14.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.52
I was curious, so did it myself. Looks like he plots fairly similar like dude from northern Romania Carpatz
http://oi68.tinypic.com/1ovqky.jpg
Population
North_Sea 20.25 Pct
Atlantic 14.48 Pct
Baltic 15.45 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.30 Pct
West_Med 12.16 Pct
West_Asian 9.83 Pct
East_Med 13.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.34 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African 0.53 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
This guy lmao? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIks9QQ_Khg
Tschaikisten messaged me about that women. Apparently, one guy from the poreklo.rs forum posted her results a while ago over there - it was his grandmother. She is from somewhere in Bačka, Vojvodina and even scored some South Asian on her MyOrigins. Her matches mostly weren't even our people, but generally various Eastern Europeans, mostly of Jewish background. That guy posted her gedmatch results too, but he did it via screenshots whose links are now expired so I can't confirm its 100% her that you posted, but Tsch. remembers her results were very similar.
Either way, someone having a Serbian name and surname on gedmatch doesn't mean they aren't mixed. If you didn't know Ayetooey was half Anglo, you'd think he's some NW shifted extreme outlier xD
Yeah, I know. I have really small amount of South Slav matches on gedmatch, and when I ran many of them with local names they came out English or Dutch. This is probably new world diaspora that's already mixed.
That being said I have more Serbian than Croat or Slovene matches because it seems much more Serbs tested than other ethnics in this region. But even that's very small.
I mostly match new world Anglos and Germans. Very few Slavic matches as well.
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Lol, I just added him to the PCA... I was wondering why he plots basically identical to number 5 of my matches whom I already plotted - I checked and it turns out it's the same guy! :D
His faimly tree says he was born in Knin and all his ancestors have local surnames, so, just like you, I assumed he's a Dalmatian Serb.
It's been a long time since i posted my Eurogenes k15 results on this forum:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.39
2 North_Sea 20.36
3 Atlantic 12.85
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastern_Euro 11.9
6 West_Asian 10.73
7 East_Med 7.27
8 Southeast_Asian 0.9
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.61
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.57
4 Serbian 9.07
5 Romanian 9.61
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.02
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.19
9 South_Polish 11.3
10 Bulgarian 11.9
11 East_German 12.01
12 Polish 14.43
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.86
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.11
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.18
17 Estonian_Polish 17.41
18 Finnish 18.18
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.23
20 West_German 18.5
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.6% Moldavian + 2.4% Abhkasian @ 4.45
2 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Georgian @ 4.45
3 94% Moldavian + 6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.47
4 97.3% Moldavian + 2.7% North_Ossetian @ 4.47
5 97.5% Moldavian + 2.5% Ossetian @ 4.49
6 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% West_German @ 4.49
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Romanian @ 4.5
8 97.7% Moldavian + 2.3% Sardinian @ 4.5
9 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% North_Italian @ 4.5
10 97.6% Moldavian + 2.4% Balkar @ 4.51
11 97.7% Moldavian + 2.3% Adygei @ 4.52
12 96.1% Moldavian + 3.9% Tuscan @ 4.52
13 95.6% Moldavian + 4.4% French @ 4.52
14 96.1% Moldavian + 3.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.52
15 92.7% Moldavian + 7.3% Bulgarian @ 4.53
16 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Central_Greek @ 4.53
17 97.8% Moldavian + 2.2% Kabardin @ 4.53
18 97.9% Moldavian + 2.1% Chechen @ 4.54
19 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% South_Italian @ 4.54
20 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.55
I think this guy is from southeast Serbia. His surname is Ljubenovic which peaks in SE Serbia (his first name is Ivan if it means anything).
https://i.imgur.com/UgWMQnR.png
https://forebears.io/surnames/ljubenovi%C4%87
Eurogenes K13
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Eurogenes K15
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MDLP K23b
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Dodecad K12b
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Eurogenes K36
Spoiler!
https://i.imgur.com/XExmvI3.png
Largest segment = 6.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.8 cM (0.190 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
I found this guy that has Atlantic first. Ydna I-S17250.
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.79
2 East_Med 16.78
3 Baltic 16.27
4 North_Sea 14.63
5 West_Med 13.79
6 Eastern_Euro 12.61
7 West_Asian 4.59
8 Red_Sea 0.52
https://i.imgur.com/TNH7QMr.png