Wasn't Andalusia repopulated by Spaniards from the North after the Reconquista?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
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Wasn't Andalusia repopulated by Spaniards from the North after the Reconquista?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
It wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://i.imgur.com/0YC791V.png
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N3wjjRWl9...components.PNG
The OP is one of those Cantabrian-leaning individuals, far from being rare, although there's still plenty of variation in Andalucia
@Gallop. here are the Andalusian references - K13 and K15. You got much less East Med for some reason.
Spanish_Andalucia
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.07
2 West_Med 29.07
3 East_Med 14.11
4 Baltic 8.19
5 West_Asian 3.83
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Northeast_African 1.28
8 Siberian 0.63
9 South_Asian 0.60
10 Sub-Saharan 0.57
11 Oceanian 0.40
12 East_Asian 0.29
13 Amerindian 0.02
Spanish_Andalucia
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.45
2 West_Med 23.21
3 North_Sea 15.69
4 East_Med 11.30
5 Baltic 5.58
6 West_Asian 3.99
7 Eastern_Euro 2.99
8 Red_Sea 2.49
9 Northeast_African 1.32
10 Sub-Saharan 0.52
11 South_Asian 0.48
12 Siberian 0.46
13 Oceanian 0.31
14 Southeast_Asian 0.18
15 Amerindian 0.04
The reason is personal and regional variation, single references have the issue of being just an averaged result that can be misleading because they cannot capture all variation that exists within a given population. Her result can be perfectly normal, even if it's not close the reference. I'm not close to the Portuguese reference either, I even have a distance of 9 on K15Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Code:# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Aragon 4.43
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.6
3 Spanish_Andalucia 5.39
4 Spanish_Valencia 5.43
5 Spanish_Cantabria 6.22
6 Southwest_French 6.48
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.76
8 Spanish_Murcia 6.95
9 Spanish_Extremadura 7.5
10 Spanish_Cataluna 8.53
11 Portuguese 9.18
12 Spanish_Galicia 11.04
13 French_Basque 11.98
Yes, but when the Almohads arrived in what is now Andalucia, 500,000 natives emerged: Hispanic-Romans, Hispano-Goths, Celtiberians, Iberians or what they have misnamed "Mozarabic" since it is a relatively modern term invented by the historians. Then those displaced natives were living in the north of Spain during the entire Muslim occupation, perhaps later they moved to Castile. The issue is that those displaced who had to leave their land were the engine of the reconquest because by oral tradition or feelings would long to recover the land they had to abandon, an engine that might not have simply had the inhabitants of the north by themselves . It is my hypothesis: The 500,000 natives of the peninsular south are the engine of the reconquest. So if later it was repopulated with people from the north, maybe many of them did not return to their land 800 years later, perhaps already mixed with those from the north, so therefore genetically there are no significant differences between north and south of Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Is someone going to explain to me the data that I have put?
The theme of the Moors in Spain are 8 lines of our extensive history. How many topics did the French or Central European romantic authors create when they traveled to Spain, they saw 4 Moorish monuments and they began to invent and fantasize about Spain, it is so old-fashioned and tiresome.
Also during the Napoleonic occupation a French officer wrote that the women in Cordoba sat on the floor and were covered, revealing only their eyes. Imagine that fattest lie. The only thing that could happen to me is that the parents or husbands would invent that disguise so that their women would not be raped because otherwise it is unlikely.
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Originally Posted by Leto
Me k15
Population
North_Sea 20.35 Pct
Atlantic 31.76 Pct
Baltic 4.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.31 Pct
West_Med 23.82 Pct
West_Asian 6.42 Pct
East_Med 3.13 Pct
Red_Sea 3.37 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Northeast_African 2.55 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct
Thanks! What can be the reason?
Maybe your specific area of ancestry had a higher rate of northern settlers, maybe you have Basque ancestry, or maybe it's simply your own variation. But there's no reason why people need to be like their regional average, most aren't, we aren't made in a factoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
Depends I was made in a Sex Factory
:icon_lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by FilhoV
Nice results, also helped me once more related to North African. Thanks.
I have obtained these results in MyTrueAncestry
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E6c7UAEoQ...com_c_main.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eZuX6X1U9...esactuales.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_okk7gFnP...esantiguos.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QbxD7BypV..._mainWHITE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6la_e2eVg...om_c_main3.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rxuM0FgEE...52815%2529.png
NIce results
Similar to mine
This proves Mexicans are more Andalusian than any other Latin AmericanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
You have 0% Jewish ancestry and you are from Southern Spain funny how mexicans are coming with 5-20% Jewish on FTDNA.
Congrats on your results.
Hola medio paisano :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
Donde has hecho este cálculo? Con global 25?
at least 20% ??? I have less than 20% and a lot of this ssa is related to ANA not modern ssa populations...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
He's only half iberian...clearly not a descendent of the original andalusians and only north europeans call andalusians "moors" MENA people don't care and view them as europeans don't worryQuote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Hello! Right here in apricity there is a thread where you get the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewcastle
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nes-K15-nmonte
From the West I sent greetings to the whole world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nassbean
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2
2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2
3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28
7. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192
9. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332
11. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45
13. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47
14. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63
15. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577
16. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
17. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111
18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
19. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874
21. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36
22. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102
23. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53
24. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471
26. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18
27. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23
28. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388
29. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16
30. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43
31. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38
32. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33
33. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767
34. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251
35. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154
36. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32
37. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36
38. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47
39. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875
40. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty
41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14
42. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (24.45) - SZ5
43. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (24.88) - STR_316
44. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.02) - 6DRIF-23
45. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (25.21) - I2566
46. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.25) - 6DRIF-21
47. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (25.38) - Hinxton 4
48. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (25.61) - SZ42
49. Bronze Age Hebrides Islands (1350 BC) (25.99) - I2655
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (26.22) - SZ12
51. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (26.27) - I5383
52. Halstatt (775 BC) (26.32) - DA112
53. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (26.48) - Hinxton HS3
54. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (26.5) - I2568
55. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (26.62) - CL121
56. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (26.82) - DA119
57. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (26.98) - I2981
58. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.15) - 6DRIF-3
59. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (27.34) - CL92
60. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.36) - scy301
Me Ancestral Timeline
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.p...i3hp1zcf4&s=tl
Your European ancestral map...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4
Ancestral Timeline
Your ancestral timeline / Journey through time! Below is a timeline of samples you match either by ancestry or by sharing direct DNA segments.
Red lines (matching the red dots on your ancestral maps) are your matching samples.
Blue lines (matching the blue dots on your ancestral maps) are your matching samples which are identified to a specific civilization.
Yellow lines (representing deep dive direct matches) are samples you share direct DNA segments with in cM.
Your relatives from Ancient Times (you share identified DNA segments
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.p...i3hp1zcf4&s=dd
Your closest matches from Ancient Times...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.p...i3hp1zcf4&s=hd
Your closest matches from Ancient Times...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.p...hp1zcf4&s=arch
Update of my results.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE...52826%2529.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CQE4NCFk6...intimeline.jpg
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034
2. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2
3. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94
5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313
6. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57
7. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (13.51) - I3585
8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28
9. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.63) - I2649
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (15.42) - I2515
13. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769
16. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (16.5) - I3982
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.53) - I2644
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.63) - I7425
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (16.75) - I2514
20. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47
22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.63) - I3981
23. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63
24. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577
25. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
26. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111
27. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.83) - I2647
31. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874
32. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36
33. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102
34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.3) - I3582
35. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
37. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
38. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471
39. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18
40. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (21.55) - I3576
41. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23
42. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.84) - I7424
44. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16
45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.0) - I3581
46. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43
47. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33
49. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767
50. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251
51. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (22.96) - I3983
52. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154
53. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32
54. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36
55. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47
56. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875
57. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCk6mWaor...r%2BV2BIS2.jpg
All is for science.
I think typical results?
I really do not see too many results from other Spaniards in the forum and I would like to see more. I am very proud of my results and I have an ego capable of destroying everything, so I ask you from here for more publications of your results and fewer false profiles and photomontages with 100% Iberians that then disappear and never give more data.Quote:
Originally Posted by penask
I want to see results, not nonsense.
Stick with K13 and K15 then, those other PCAs are all a bit on the meh side (and mytrueancestry is a ripoff). Or just man up and get G25Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
How is G25 any different from other calculators, and is it also compatible for someone from North Africa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasconcelos
I think it's time for the Iberians and the Celtiberians to come into play in MyTrueAncestry. Roman Hispania or Galo Roman can not be calling all the time and in all times the Iberians, Celtiberians, Tartessos e.t.c.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0w7mYjSav...cosegmento.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SkN46eak0...icoirlanda.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jJgFwZH7O...daejemplos.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BiT41piRQ...apoblacion.jpg
These two maps are my genetic match with people of today by mitochondrial DNA as can be seen.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TFNFv6__1...namatchdna.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0CZuT8JYL...hdnafamily.jpg
Manchester, Fermanagh, Olite, Azpetia, Majones, Cádiz province, and the other Spaniard leaves Granada but I spoke with her and her most remote ancestress was from the province of Seville.
G25 was built with many more and more varied references, so its coordinates and subsequent models are a lot more reliable than any of the older calcs, including for non-Europeans. Eurogenes K13 and K15 were created by the same person, but some 5 years ago, they are not useless but they are clearly outdated since G25 was released. The creator (David) hasn't bothered with any other PCA since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamm
K13/15 still have some use, such as comparing components and see how one sample varies in comparison to others (or their ethnic group), but that's about it.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mxtNVKYXI...NTANCESTRY.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lmp12WiV2...SBRONCEAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZH55SjgGf...EBRONZEAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1j-IaTFjR...ainIRONAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MApL0Pwvu...EDIAVALAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iC9S2kUVT...EDIEVALAGE.jpg
Your relatives from Ancient Times (you share identified DNA segments)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iANkJmj0_...com_c_main.jpg
So there are Andalusians who have a very small % of north African blood, i thought most of you guys would score near the 10%.
African contacts are older than previously thought: The study found, at sites in Madrid and Cádiz, a couple of individuals with African descent who lived in the Peninsula about 4,000 years ago. These are sporadic contacts, but show that there was an African presence long before the arrival of Muslims on the Peninsula in the 8th century. The scientists also detected a gene flow from North Africa to the Southeast of the Peninsula in Punic and Roman times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lomaioral
Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, Visigoths and Muslims: Based on the analysis of 24 individuals from the Greek colony of Empúries, founded between the 600s and the late-Roman period in present-day Catalonia, scientists have concluded that at the beginning of The Middle Age of at least a quarter of Iberian ancestry had been replaced by new flows of population from the Eastern Mediterranean (Romans, Greeks and Phoenicians). The researchers also analyzed two individuals of Visigothic origin at a site in Girona and several of Muslim origin in Granada, Valencia, Castellón and Vinaròs. These ‘ancient Iberians’ showed a North African genetic component of almost 50%, while in the current population it is 5%. “This North African ancestry was almost completely eliminated during the Reconquista and the subsequent expulsion of the Moors”, says Carles Lalueza-Fox, one of the directors of the study at the IBE.
https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstruct...ian-peninsula/
You should know that moriscos were expelled and that andalusia was repopulated by northern iberiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Lomaioral
Family Finder gives me 4% and for example in this calculator I get these results 8`08%
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCk6mWaor...r%2BV2BIS2.jpg
I know that, but i thought the north African ancestry would be more homogeneous near the 10%, since there's a difference in % from north to south with the south having more. And as is known the average north African ancestry in the studies ranges from 5% to 7%