"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

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Originally Posted by Token

Christianity was much more lenient to folk customs since the beginning, specially after it got in the hands of the Romans. The folklore and customs of Germanic countries remains pretty much undisturbed since pagan times.

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Germanics retained aspects of their original religion no different to Iranics but they still lost most of it. Christmas is said to have Germanic origins and is celebrated today. No different to Nowruz among Iranics today, keep in mind that Nowruz is much much more Iranic than Christmas is Germanic. Also, Iranic religions still survive among a minority of Iranic groups (Yazdanism & Zoroastrianism) whereas no Germanic religion survives (excluding neo-pagan LARPers). It's pretty bold to claim it's completely disappeared among Iranics but completely unchanged among Germanics. What unchanged aspects of folklore and customs continually exist among Germanics but not Iranics?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

My point is they had a common origin with Northern Euros. They didn't migrate from Northern Europe, and Northern Euros don't descend from them. Every Iranic or Indic that has been on GEDmatch knows they partially descend from a group that had a lot of Northern Europe-related DNA.

What are you using for BMAC and IVC in the OP? I wanna model myself with those components.

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Yep, they did migrate from Northern Europe. Sintashta (and by extension Andronovo and Srubna) is merely an offshoot from Eastern Corded Ware and this explains the close affinities between Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranic. Archeological records shows a steady morphing from NW IE to Proto-Iranic beginning in the easternmost segment of the Middle Dnieper culture, the Fatyanovo-Balanovo, proceeding with Abashevo and finishing with a migration towards the Ural Mountains, where these people from fucking Northern Europe gave birth to Sintashta after assimilating some Uralic speakers, which also explains Uralic loanwords in Indo-Iranic.

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

Who are Jasz people to you? Do you consider them northern European, European, or what you consider them?

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Ugrics of Central Europe. They're not Iranic anymore. They don't have anything Iranic about them besides their name. They've completely assimilated into Hungarians. It would be like calling Catalans and Andalusians "Germanic" cause their name originates from Germanic tribes. Its no different to saying Hungarians are Turks as opposed to Ugrics.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Ugrics of Central Europe. They're not Iranic anymore. They don't have anything Iranic about them besides their name. They've completely assimilated into Hungarians. It would be like calling Catalans and Andalusians "Germanic" cause their name originates from Germanic tribes. Its no different to saying Hungarians are Turks as opposed to Ugrics.

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They have Ossetian genetic markers.

Once again, DNA of the so called 'full blown Northern Europeans' has NEVER been found in Kurdistan and we have got ancient DNA from Kurdistan from every historic era, Neolithic Age, Copper Age etc. The DNA in Kurdistan shows that there was no migration from the Mongoloid uncivilized Steppes at all.


DNA in ARYAN Kurdistan is unchanged for thousands of years. ARYAN Kurds who speak their own ARYAN NorthWest Iranian Ergative language, my people have still our ARYAN values/RELIGION have still the same DNA of ancient people who lived during the times of the Mitanni/Kassites, Medes.


People of Kurdistan are actually the 'full blown' ARYANS. We are the true ARYANS with an ARYAN soul, we breath ARYANISM.


ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

Ancient Mitanni/Kassites in Kurdistan spoke Aryan and were Aryans. Ancient Medes in Kurdistan were ARYANS and were called ARYANS.

None of them had Mongoloid Steppes ancestry. We have got ancient DNA of their era and from their ARYAN region. Those ancient ARYAN folks were bloody ARYAN KURDS! These are FACTS!



ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

They have Ossetian genetic markers.

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Doesn't matter, there's no cultural/linguistic continuity. They're a natively Ugric-speaking people with genetics very close to other Hungarians so they belong to that group. If I find a Romanian or non-Jasz Hungarian with an Iranic marker, will he then be Iranic? Also, what about the Jasz without Ossetian markers?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Doesn't matter, there's no cultural/linguistic continuity. They're a natively Ugric-speaking people with genetics very close to other Hungarians so they belong to that group. If I find a Romanian or non-Jasz Hungarian with an Iranic marker, will he then be Iranic? Also, what about the Jasz without Ossetian markers?

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You a tryhard, but you take L regardless.

Jasz language may extinct, but genetic is preserved in the Central European Noble Houses, ie House of Dragos. I don't think my Grandparents choose my Father first name "Jasz" as lottery random choice? What do you think?

I close with my Uncle GEDmatch:

80.9% Belarusian + 19.1% Ossetian @ 2.57

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Originally Posted by Token

Christianity was much more lenient to folk customs since the beginning, specially after it got in the hands of the Romans. The folklore and customs of Germanic countries remains pretty much undisturbed since pagan times.

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You people worship a curley haired negro jew who was born in the middle of the israeli desert. Every aspect of your culture is mostly westernized Semitic trash that came from the deserts of israel. Your names, Josh, Jacob, Aaron ... Etc are all Semitic.

At least with Iran, we celebrate the same traditions our ancestors did 2500 years ago with no amendments. You have no fucking clue the misery our people went through in order to retain the Persian language and tradition while being raped and massacred by isis like subhumans. One of the reasons why Iran is not an arabic speaking country is because of the hardship our people went through.

I'll give Europe 50 years and it'll be ran by monkeys and arabs. You people have no sense of nationality and patriotism. All of you are doomed to die because of your inability and weakness to defend yourself against invasions. Don't even try and say that our Iranic identity died out.

While the Iranian youth is moving towards
de-islamization, the German youth is becoming Islamic. Look at Paris and London then we can talk

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

You a tryhard, but you take L regardless.

Jasz language may extinct, but genetic is preserved in the Central European Noble Houses, ie House of Dragos. I don't think my Grandparents choose my Father first name "Jasz" as lottery random choice? What do you think?

I close with my Uncle GEDmatch:

80.9% Belarusian + 19.1% Ossetian @ 2.57

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Dude, you have only some minor ancestry of the EAST Iranic Alan. Hungarian Finno-Ugric Atilla the Hun had many Alan warriors in his army. Maybe some of them were assimilated by the Magyar. That doesn't make Magyar Alan or Ossetians, lol. You have only a very small part of EAST Iranic people. But that doesn't make you anything close to proto-Iranic (ARYAN) people from Kurdistan.

You are much more (Finno-Ugric) MAGYAR than EAST Iranian.

Proto-Iranic had ergativity in it. Even today NorthWest Iranic (ARYAN) language of the Kurds, Kurdish has ergative construction in it. Ergativity is native to West Asia and is absent in aboriginal Mongoloid languages in the Steppes.

ERGATIVITY in proto-Indo-Iranian makes proto-Indo-Iranian and therefore proto-Iranic, proto-West Iranic, NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau.

The Medes spoke NorthWest Iranian language. The Mitanni/Kassites spoke proto-Iranic lanaguage. All of them lived in Kurdistan and the ancient DNA of their era and the region where they lived show no Mongoloid Steppes ancestry at all.

My ARYAN people speak the same ARYAN language of the mighty Mitanni and the magnificent Medes. We have the same ARYAN religion as the legendary Mitanni! Our ARYAN DNA is from them (Mitanni/Medes). Your people speak Finno-Ugric Magyar, lol!


ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

You a tryhard, but you take L regardless.

Jasz language may extinct, but genetic is preserved in the Central European Noble Houses, ie House of Dragos. I don't think my Grandparents choose my Father first name "Jasz" as lottery random choice? What do you think?

I close with my Uncle GEDmatch:

80.9% Belarusian + 19.1% Ossetian @ 2.57

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You get modeled as a West Asian-shifted North Slav which isn't too different from other Hungarians (marginally different to other Hungarians at best).

The Ossetians are genetically indistinguishable from other Caucasians. So if you want to base it purely on genetics and nothing else (which I don't agree with), then it's questionable if the Ossetians are even Iranic. Ossetians have little to no direct Proto-Iranic blood and you barely have any Ossetian blood. You (like every every other Hungarian) would have much more Proto-Germanic and especially Proto-Slavic blood than Proto-Iranic blood. Even if there is a direct Proto-Iranic (not to be confused with Ossetian) genetic component among the Jasz, it is insignificant.

Finally, you don't even speak Iranic. So that puts you in the same basket as a hypothetical Catalan claiming to be Germanic and not Romance. If you went "back" to Ossetia today you would be a complete alien and treated no differently to any other Hungarian/European.

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Originally Posted by Token

No such thing as Iranic identity today, your 'Iranic identity' was wiped out by Arabs and their Islam. You guys utterly failed at preserving the beautiful culture that Northern Europeans gave you.

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Actually this BS has been disproven many times before. Arabs just "influenced" us to change our religion. They did this by defeating armies of one Persian family called Sassanid. Kudos to them. It has been proven COUNTLESS times that there was no Arabic genetic input into modern day Iran by that single Invasion. Penninsulan Arabs came, changed our religion to Islam and left within a century. No genetic or cultural change happened. We still speak persian, celebrate Nowroz etc. Qureshi, Hashmi Arabs that invaded Iran had J-M267 haplogroups. Among Iranians, only 3 % J-M267 peninsula haplogroup exists. That 3% itself represents Assyrians, Jews who live in Iran etc. Here is a EUROPE PMC detailed research paper on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312577/

And by the way why are you taking name of Arabs like they are some lower slave race. Arabs are warriors with heritage. No matter what their beliefs have been, they have achieved far greater than Germans. They implemented their belief system (call it crazy or whatever) on literally close to 2 billion people now. They conquered almost everyone they met in field. Arabs invaded Spain, they invaded parts of Gaul 6000 KM away from their desert homeland. I mean that is fucking crazy military achievement, is not it ? Yes the peninsula long nosed Arab warriors that holly"Jew"wood shows as some retarded maniac today, they did it. You can run your mouth all day long but this won't change the fact that MENA groups are martial warriors Be it ARABS, IRANICS or TURKS. If you are a respectful human being you will respect that. As an Iranian, I am probably supposed to hate arabs but I am a rational human being coming from a respectful household, I am not taught to disrespect others. May be your built is different. I respect European people for their achievements and I acknowledge their massive contribution to modern day world but you Sir are coming across as a stupid bigot.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Dude, you have only some minor ancestry of the EAST Iranic Alan. Hungarian Finno-Ugric Atilla the Hun had many Alan warriors in his army. Maybe some of them were assimilated by the Magyar. That doesn't make Magyar Alan or Ossetians, lol. You have only a very small part of EAST Iranic people. But that doesn't make you anything close to proto-Iranic (ARYAN) people from Kurdistan.

You are much more (Finno-Ugric) MAGYAR than EAST Iranian.

Proto-Iranic had ergativity in it. Even today NorthWest Iranic (ARYAN) language of the Kurds, Kurdish has ergative construction in it. Ergativity is native to West Asia and is absent in aboriginal Mongoloid languages in the Steppes.

ERGATIVITY in proto-Indo-Iranian makes proto-Indo-Iranian and therefore proto-Iranic, proto-West Iranic, NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau.

The Medes spoke NorthWest Iranian language. The Mitanni/Kassites spoke proto-Iranic lanaguage. All of them lived in Kurdistan and the ancient DNA of their era and the region where they lived show no Mongoloid Steppes ancestry at all.

My ARYAN people speak the same ARYAN language of the mighty Mitanni and the magnificent Medes. We have the same ARYAN religion as the legendary Mitanni! Our ARYAN DNA is from them (Mitanni/Medes). Your people speak Finno-Ugric Magyar, lol!


ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

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There is already Iranian government officials that added me in Facebook, they purpose to preserve Iranian tradition and we discuss all about my origin. Walahi fam.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Ancient Mitanni/Kassites in Kurdistan spoke Aryan and were Aryans. Ancient Medes in Kurdistan were ARYANS and were called ARYANS.

None of them had Mongoloid Steppes ancestry. We have got ancient DNA of their era and from their ARYAN region. Those ancient ARYAN folks were bloody ARYAN KURDS! These are FACTS!

ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

There is already Iranian government officials that added me in Facebook, they purpose to preserve Iranian tradition and we discuss all about my origin. Walahi fam.

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Just wait for some years. You should join Kurdistan Government in North Kurdistan soon. Great Kurdistan will be liberated sooner than you think. We have got Turks on their knees and the Turks are in the corner they can't get out


слава тебе небесное

This thread could have becomes a great source of information but because of bigotry it has turned into another Troll fest.

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Originally Posted by Token

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Wannabe ARYAN, did i hurt your feelings?

I rule your world and you have nothing to counter my arguments.


Do you feel the power/energy of the real full blooded ARYAN?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

You get modeled as a West Asian-shifted North Slav which isn't too different from other Hungarians (marginally different to other Hungarians at best).

The Ossetians are genetically indistinguishable from other Caucasians. So if you want to base it purely on genetics and nothing else (which I don't agree with), then it's questionable if the Ossetians are even Iranic. Ossetians have little to no direct Proto-Iranic blood and you barely have any Ossetian blood. You (like every every other Hungarian) would have much more Proto-Germanic and especially Proto-Slavic blood than Proto-Iranic blood. Even if there is a direct Proto-Iranic (not to be confused with Ossetian) genetic component among the Jasz, it is insignificant.

Finally, you don't even speak Iranic. So that puts you in the same basket as a hypothetical Catalan claiming to be Germanic and not Romance. If you went "back" to Ossetia today you would be a complete alien and treated no differently to any other Hungarian/European.

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I'm not Hungarian, culturally I'm Vlach Jasz as my forefathers, ethnically Polish Szlachta.

There is people like me that live in eastern Hungary particularly Szeged, they are cousins. We are not Hungarians, my ancestors founded Moldova in 1320 AD, we are simply Voivoda to the Hungarian Monarch, our region ofcourse belong to Kingdom of Hungary.

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Originally Posted by Token

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What happens if I'm lighter than my supposed ancestor? Does he become my descendant?

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Originally Posted by meson

This thread could have becomes a great source of information but because of bigotry it has turned into another Troll fest.

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Right, I try be civilian here and I usually not fam.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Wannabe ARYAN, did i hurt your feelings?

I rule your world and you have nothing to counter my arguments.


Do you feel the power/energy of the real full blooded ARYAN?

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I have a question.

Yamanaya came from Khvalynsk_EN right.

Khvalynsk had input from Iranian Farmers and EEHG ?

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Originally Posted by Token

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Modern Iranics don't care much about Proto-Iranics (who they draw a significant portion of their ancestry from even if they're not genetically all that close). Modern Iranics get their identity and some of their culture from them but otherwise don't think or know about them. The Iranic groups they think about are or associate with are the Classical Age Iranic groups since their earliest recorded history is mostly associated with Classical Age Iranics. But modern Iranics still have claims to those people by being their direct descendants and continuing their legacy. Its like saying that a mixed race child can't claim his heritage cause he's genetically distant to both his parents.

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

I'm not Hungarian, culturally I'm Vlach Jasz as my forefathers, ethnically Polish Szlachta.

There is people like me that live in eastern Hungary particularly Szeged, they are cousins. We are not Hungarians, my ancestors founded Moldova in 1320 AD, we are simply Voivoda to the Hungarian Monarch, our region ofcourse belong to Kingdom of Hungary.

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Do you speak Russian? I was born in Tbilisi, USSR (Georgia). I speak Russian as good as my native ARYAN language Kurmanji

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

What happens if I'm lighter than my supposed ancestor? Does he become my descendant?

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The criteria for supremacy among keyboard bigots is that whoever is more fairer is actually a great warrior.

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Originally Posted by MrVlachZyraxes

Right, I try be civilian here and I usually not fam.

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That is the problem here, such discussions end up being derailed by bigots from both sides

Persia should help Kurds against our enemies and against imperialists who want Kurdish resources. Persia should support Great Kurdistan and then we can establish an Aryan Union. An ARYAN Union between Great Kurdistan and Persia. It is my dream to see one day a revival of the Medo-Persian homeland!

Aryan Union = a confederation between Aryan people, mostly Kurds & Persians!

When firdowsi had finished his masterpiece "the book of kings", many nations in (northern) europe were busy with tree climbing at the time..

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Originally Posted by meson

Actually this BS has been disproven many times before. Arabs just "influenced" us to change our religion. They did this by defeating armies of one Persian family called Sassanid. Kudos to them. It has been proven COUNTLESS times that there was no Arabic genetic input into modern day Iran by that single Invasion. Penninsulan Arabs came, changed our religion to Islam and left within a century. No genetic or cultural change happened. We still speak persian, celebrate Nowroz etc. Qureshi, Hashmi Arabs that invaded Iran had J-M267 haplogroups. Among Iranians, only 3 % J-M267 peninsula haplogroup exists. That 3% itself represents Assyrians, Jews who live in Iran etc. Here is a EUROPE PMC detailed research paper on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312577/

And by the way why are you taking name of Arabs like they are some lower slave race. Arabs are warriors with heritage. No matter what their beliefs have been, they have achieved far greater than Germans. They implemented their belief system (call it crazy or whatever) on literally close to 2 billion people now. They conquered almost everyone they met in field. Arabs invaded Spain, they invaded parts of Gaul 6000 KM away from their desert homeland. I mean that is fucking crazy military achievement, is not it ? Yes the peninsula long nosed Arab warriors that holly"Jew"wood shows as some retarded maniac today, they did it. You can run your mouth all day long but this won't change the fact that MENA groups are martial warriors Be it ARABS, IRANICS or TURKS. If you are a respectful human being you will respect that. As an Iranian, I am probably supposed to hate arabs but I am a rational human being coming from a respectful household, I am not taught to disrespect others. May be your built is different. I respect European people for their achievements and I acknowledge their massive contribution to modern day world but you Sir are coming across as a stupid bigot.

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"Arabs are warriors" get that iranic flag off and quit acting like you're an Iranian. Youre the same garbage we have to deal with in Iran. You're a kiss ass, submissive jihadi. Yeah. Keep repeating those words to yourself knowing the misery and damage those muhammaden subhuman dealt to Iran.

If anything, you're proving their point by admitting your submissiveness to islam and Arabs. You are part of the problem that makes Iran a shithole

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Originally Posted by meson

I have a question.

Yamanaya came from Khvalynsk_EN right.

Khvalynsk had input from Iranian Farmers and EEHG ?

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Yamnaya was a second stage PIEan culture. It was a mixture between Mongoloid Steppes people and Aryan farmers from the Iranian Plateau. Aryan farmers from Leyla-Tepe brought metallurgy and advanced farming to Northern Caucasus. Later on Yamnaya folks (as second stage PIEans) penetrated Europe.

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

"Arabs are warriors" get that iranic flag off and quit acting like you're an Iranian. Youre the same garbage we have to deal with in Iran. You're a kiss ass, submissive jihadi. Yeah. Keep repeating those words to yourself knowing the misery and damage those muhammaden subhuman dealt to Iran.

If anything, you're proving their point by admitting your submissiveness to islam and Arabs. You are part of the problem that makes Iran a shithole

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Do not be an idiot OK. I never said I idealize arabs or anything. I consider them desert nomads and nothing else.

I just told the Bigot guy (OP) here that Arabs did not change anything in Iran except religion. big deal ? is that wrong from me that I told him that Iran has no genetic input from arabs ? and Yes I do acknowledge the military success of arabs ? is that wrong ?

Lastly, I do not need your certification to prove my nationalism. Iran is not a shithole, it is my country.

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

"Arabs are warriors" get that iranic flag off and quit acting like you're an Iranian. Youre the same garbage we have to deal with in Iran. You're a kiss ass, submissive jihadi. Yeah. Keep repeating those words to yourself knowing the misery and damage those muhammaden subhuman dealt to Iran.

If anything, you're proving their point by admitting your submissiveness to islam and Arabs. You are part of the problem that makes Iran a shithole

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I don't want to insult anybody, but personally as an ethnic Kurd I do respect Arabs much more than Turks. With all due respect but I see Turks as parasites.


Love your friends, but respect your enemies, never undervalue your enemy!

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Originally Posted by MS85

Yamnaya was a second stage PIEan culture. It was a mixture between Mongoloid Steppes people and Aryan farmers from the Iranian Plateau. Aryan farmers from Leyla-Tepe brought metallurgy and advanced farming to Northern Caucasus. Later on Yamnaya folks (as second stage PIEans) penetrated Europe.

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Yes that is the thing. So technically, speaking first stage PIE culture was Khvalnsky? which came from Iranian farmers+CHG and it later become the famous Yamnaya.

While, the European EN/C cline came from Anatolia farmers + WHG that gave out the Corded ware culture ?

.... Hmm so basically Europeans have massive inputs from Iran and Anatolia :)

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Originally Posted by meson

Yes that is the thing. So technically, speaking first stage PIE culture was Khvalnsky? which came from Iranian farmers+CHG and it later become the famous Yamnaya.

While, the European EN/C cline came from Anatolia farmers + WHG that gave out the Corded ware culture ?

.... Hmm so basically Europeans have massive inputs from Iran and Anatolia :)

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It seems you know shit about genetics my friend. You and your Iranic friends here.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Do you speak Russian? I was born in Tbilisi, USSR (Georgia). I speak Russian as good as my native ARYAN language Kurmanji

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Nah fam, I speak my native tongue Polish.

I have low Germanic admixture of all Slavs East, West, South. I'm not Russian my ancestors never raped by Mongols, my Grandfathers, Uncles they defeated allies in Montecassino and North Africa battles WWII after Russians deported us to Siberian workcamps and then escaped to Iran thru Caspian Sea refugee camps, and make a plan in Persia to go back to western front, only to slap those Germans in Montecassino raise Polish flag as usual to go back Soviet Communist Poland for next 45 years, most my ancestors killed many people they were traumatized and paranoid they escape to Latin America. And you saying we don't defend our country from invasion. Jews has brainwash alot of people cause you don't know any of this. Me the Catholic with Hebrew name is the last nigga that brainwash around here.

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Originally Posted by MS85

I don't want to insult anybody, but personally as an ethnic Kurd I do respect Arabs much more than Turks. With all due respect but I see Turks as parasites.


Love your friends, but respect your enemies, never undervalue your enemy!

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Yes

NO ONE SHOULD DISRESPECT ANYONE.

This is a good information thread and lets keep it that way.

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Originally Posted by Hüdavendigâr

When firdowsi had finished his masterpiece "the book of kings", many nations in (northern) europe were busy with tree climbing at the time..

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Monkeys don't have always to be brown.

White monkeys are more STUPID, but cuter as pets.


https://i.postimg.cc/mDNbnqFp/26ab6c...8cd1f5bab0.jpg

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Originally Posted by Token

It seems you know shit about genetics my friend. You and your Iranic friends here.

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Can you prove my statement wrong in a civilized way (instead of trolling)?

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Originally Posted by MS85

Monkeys don't have always to be brown.

White monkeys are more STUPID, but cuter as pets.


https://i.postimg.cc/mDNbnqFp/26ab6c...8cd1f5bab0.jpg

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Nooooo

Cmon Azizam.

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Originally Posted by meson

Nooooo

Cmon Azizam.

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Sorry, will not do it again. Somebody started about 'tree climbing' in Europe and I couldn't resist. Sorry, it was meant as a joke.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Sorry, will not do it again. Somebody started about 'tree climbing' in Europe and I couldn't resist. Sorry, it was meant as a joke.

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I know.

But we should stay civilized otherwise our point of view will not go through.