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Sample Details Fit Map Mordovian Russian Smolensk Turkish Balkans Uzbek 1 Custom:GR_scaled 2.017 Open Map 30.83 0 49.17 20
Thanks for sharing bro and participating. Appreciate this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
I am already as western asian as this fully(?) crimean tatar man. I doubt they vary much in western asian dna. If my father was half crimean tatar half uzbek then i would have much less west asia, i guess
What academic sample is for Turkish Balkans in G25??? Looks like Davidski used some user data:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Do you think we should always compare with the average samples? Maybe not all are exactly the same. Maybe an Iranized Turkmen/Uzbek, I don't know. But definitely not an average Uzbek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Maybe its possible if both tatar and uzbeki sides are more west asian shiftedQuote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
1/2 Russian, 1/4 Uzbek, 1/4 Iranian
Baha_scaled
distance%=2.6429
Russian_Voronez,51.5
Uzbek,26.8
Iranian_Mazandarani,21.7
Russian_Kostroma,0
distance%=3.0822
Tajik_Yagnobi,35.5
Tatar_Lipka,34.2
Russian_Voronez,30.3
Uzbek,0
distance%=2.898
Russian_Voronez,47.1
Turkmen,33.1
Tajik_Yagnobi,19.8
Uzbek,0
Tatar_Lipka,0
distance%=2.7082
Russian_Voronez,47.6
Uzbek,26.4
Turkish_Kayseri,26
Turkish_Balikesir,0
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...samples-on-G25Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Choosed all Iranian individual samples vs Uzbek and Kyrgyz:
Target Distance IRL_MN IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 Mordovian Uzbek GR_scaled 0.01034969 • 8.6 5.0 10.8 6.0 0.6 49.0 20.0 Average 0.01034969 • 8.6 5.0 10.8 6.0 0.6 49.0 20.0
Added then Dagestani, Georgian and Tajik/Turkmen samples, still Iranian/Uzbek:
<button class="buttons buttonmulti" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; outline: none; border: none; margin: 1em 0px 0px 1em; cursor: pointer; color: inherit; padding: 0.7em; font-size: 0.7em; text-transform: uppercase; background-color: rgb(68, 68, 68); box-shadow: rgb(51, 51, 51) 2px 2px; min-width: 13em; caret-color: rgb(218, 218, 218);"></button>
Target Distance Mordovian Uzbek IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic IRL_MN IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res Georgian_Jew IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 Kirghiz IRL_BA GR_scaled 0.01041472 • 49.6 18.6 9.4 8.0 6.0 4.8 1.8 1.0 0.6 0.2 Average 0.01041472 • 49.6 18.6 9.4 8.0 6.0 4.8 1.8 1.0 0.6 0.2
After that added Turkish samples, the distance got lower:
<button class="buttons buttonmulti" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; outline: none; border: none; margin: 1em 0px 0px 1em; cursor: pointer; color: inherit; padding: 0.7em; font-size: 0.7em; text-transform: uppercase; background-color: rgb(68, 68, 68); box-shadow: rgb(51, 51, 51) 2px 2px; min-width: 13em; caret-color: rgb(218, 218, 218);">RESET SORTING</button>
Target Distance IRL_MN IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N Kirghiz Mordovian TKM_Gonur2_BA Turkish_Aydin Turkish_Balkans Turkish_Central Turkish_Istanbul Uzbek GR_scaled 0.00918605 • 4.6 5.6 1.4 0.2 0.2 43.4 0.6 10.8 9.6 8.4 0.2 15.0 Average 0.00918605 • 4.6 5.6 1.4 0.2 0.2 43.4 0.6 10.8 9.6 8.4 0.2 15.0
Added the armenian and assyrian samples, but eventually copied also ashkenazi jews which are between them, got 0.007 distance lol:
<button class="buttons buttonmulti" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; outline: none; border: none; margin: 1em 0px 0px 1em; cursor: pointer; color: inherit; padding: 0.7em; font-size: 0.7em; text-transform: uppercase; background-color: rgb(68, 68, 68); box-shadow: rgb(51, 51, 51) 2px 2px; min-width: 13em; caret-color: rgb(218, 218, 218);">RESET SORTING</button>
Target Distance Ashkenazi_Jew IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 Kirghiz Mordovian TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA TKM_Geoksyur_En TKM_Gonur2_BA Turkish_Aydin Turkish_Balkans Turkish_Central Uzbek GR_scaled 0.00768183 • 23.6 6.0 0.6 3.4 46.6 2.0 0.8 1.4 1.4 1.2 0.6 12.4 Average 0.00768183 • 23.6 6.0 0.6 3.4 46.6 2.0 0.8 1.4 1.4 1.2 0.6 12.4
Analysis went the wrong way i suppose.
Who knows: how many source components is better to use?
Uzbek with all Iranian modern samples:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.1641% / 0.01164105
Aggregated
33.0Mordovian
20.4Vepsian
19.4Uzbek
15.8Iranian_Jew
7.0Iranian_Bandari
4.4Iranian_Fars
Uzbek with Iranian and all Turkish:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 0.8253% / 0.00825291
Aggregated26.4 Mordovian 18.6 Turkish_Balkans 16.6 Uzbek 14.6 Vepsian 11.6 Iranian_Bandari 6.8 Turkish_Central 5.4 Turkish_Balikesir
Tried Uzbek with all Tajiks, distance is high:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 2.7687% / 0.02768672
Aggregated
49.8Mordovian
33.4Tajik_Yagnobi
16.8Uzbek
Since Ftdna and DnaTribes assigned me a sephardic lol, i tried it too:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.3870% / 0.01386955
Aggregated49.8 Mordovian 25.6 Uzbek 24.6 Sephardic_Jew
Uzbek and Balkan Turk:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.8482% / 0.01848165
Aggregated44.8 Turkish_Balkans 30.8 Mordovian 24.4 Uzbek
What do you think about a possible Iranian Jew? On Autosomal they score 0% Ashkenazi or Sephardic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.4698% / 0.01469755
Aggregated55.0 Mordovian 24.0 Iranian_Jew 21.0 Uzbek
On average (over many runs), distance will never be worse when you add more references. It's not just about improving distance, but improving distance a sufficient amount given how many references you've added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Tried Uzbek with Syrian, distance is lower, if i score it with Syrian but i am definitely dont have an arab ancestry, then 1.4 distance with Irani Jews means nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.1773% / 0.01177267
Aggregated
52.6Mordovian
29.2Syrian
18.2Uzbek
Except, are you more likely to have Syrian or Jewish ancestry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Uzbek and Turkish Northwest:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.8976% / 0.01897567
Aggregated
47.8Mordovian
40.0Turkish_Northwest
12.2Uzbek
With Kayseri Turks:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.5253% / 0.01525341
Aggregated50.6 Mordovian 32.6 Turkish_Kayseri 16.8 Uzbek
Uzbek vs Uzbekistani Turkmen:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 2.3559% / 0.02355916
Aggregated58.2 Mordovian 41.8 Turkmen
Uzb Turkmen vs Iranian Fars (no Uzbek):
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.6011% / 0.01601112
Aggregated55.0 Mordovian 24.0 Iranian_Fars 21.0 Turkmen
Uzbekistani Turkmen vs Tatars:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 2.3559% / 0.02355916
Aggregated58.2 Mordovian 41.8 Turkmen 0.0 Tatar_Kazan 0.0 Tatar_Lipka 0.0 Tatar_Mishar 0.0 Tatar_Siberian 0.0 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
Uzb Turkmen vs Turks:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.4700% / 0.01469985
Aggregated
47.2Mordovian
24.6Turkmen
21.0Turkish_Central
7.2Turkish_Balkans
0.0Turkish_Istanbul
Uzb Turkmen vs Syrian:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.3514% / 0.01351439
Aggregated
53.2Mordovian
25.4Turkmen
21.4Syrian
Your father is probably full Uzbek. The reason you score so much West Asian is because your Uzbek side is from Bukhara. Bukhara-Samarkand Uzbeks are largely Uzbekified Tajiks (or at least have heavy Tajik/Iranic influence). I don't have Bukharan Uzbek results, but it may be similar to those from North Afghanistan I imagine. Uzbeks & Tajiks from North Afghanistan (Kunduz, Balkh) get modeled like a Tajikistan Tajik with some extra East Asian influence and are notably distant to most Uzbeks from Uzbekistan. Also, the genetic difference between Tajiks and Uzbeks (minus some subgroups like Bukharans, etc) is very huge despite the fact that they are neighboring populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Since 23andMe didn't include Bukharan Uzbeks in the population references for Central Asian, you scored a lot of West Asian. Also, their Central Asian category looks very weird. They included both Afghanistan and Kazakhstan in it together and just decided to call it a day, despite the fact the two countries have nothing to do with each other. So this probably messed up their algorithm and would have played a big role in you getting a lot of West Asian.
By any chance, do you have the DNA results of someone that is fully Bukhara-Samarkand Uzbek?
nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Your Uzbek side is genetically very Tajik-like. I included a Tajikistani (not an official sample), combined all the Russian samples into one, and an Uzbek:
In case you're interested to see how you get modeled as without the Uzbek:Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 3.2080% / 0.03208049
Aggregated
48.4Tajik_Tajikistan
46.0Russian
5.6Uzbek
I combined all of Tajikistan's ethnic groups (Pamiris, Tajiks, Yaghnobis) into one group called "Tajikistani" and ran the results again:Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 3.2557% / 0.03255655
Aggregated
55.8Tajik_Tajikistan
44.2Russian
So your Central Asian side is taking some Russian for whatever reason. But your Bukharan Uzbek side could probably be modeled as 80-90% Tajikistani + 10-20% Uzbek or something like that.Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 3.1864% / 0.03186446
Aggregated
46.2Russian
41.0Tajikistani
12.8Uzbek
The fit distance is kinda large though. Probably a proper Bukharan Uzbek sample would fix that issue.
Here s updated 23andme results of an Uzbek from Tashkent:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
https://i.ibb.co/Y2WnWGJ/31-E7-DBD4-...CFB6-A1-E7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/PT0Fqvx/14185620-16...380-DEDFF8.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7jVyg21/4-DAC67-F5-...1-B1572-ED.jpg
Which part of Russia is your Russian side from btw?
oops wrong threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
what is the Davidski mentality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
2,6 + Penza oblast. Mostly volgan regionQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
https://i.ibb.co/N7B0V33/30-B54147-F...DDD0-B6077.jpg
Found British/Persian 23andme results:
https://i.ibb.co/n3MC73y/F45-C6103-5...245-F56192.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Xbj1gvf/B7708682-B6...0-FC4-D871.jpg
Btw the previous 23andme version (i received results in august) already contained Uzbekistan under western asian with Samarqandi/Bukharan samples and still i got 0% Uzbekistan:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Uzbekistan
- Bukhara Region
- Fergana Region
- Samarqand Region
- Tashkent Region
I think now they have even more Uzbekistani samples, including bukharans, and still no Uzbekistan
Uzbek vs Pakis and Palis:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.2347% / 0.01234733
Aggregated55.0 Mordovian 20.0 Palestinian 15.4 Uzbek 4.0 PAK_Singoor_MA 3.0 PAK_Loebanr_IA 2.6 PAK_Udegram_IA 0.0 PAK_Aligrama_H 0.0 PAK_Aligrama_IA 0.0 PAK_Arkotkila_IA 0.0 PAK_Barikot_H 0.0 PAK_Barikot_IA 0.0 PAK_Barikot_MA 0.0 PAK_Butkara_H 0.0 PAK_Butkara_IA 0.0 PAK_Gogdara_IA 0.0 PAK_Katelai_IA 0.0 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o 0.0 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H 0.0 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o 0.0 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
Uzbek vs Pakis vs Sayyed Irani:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.5200% / 0.01519995
Aggregated54.6 Mordovian 31.0 Iranian_Seyyed 14.4 Uzbek 0.0 PAK_Aligrama_H 0.0 PAK_Aligrama_IA 0.0 PAK_Arkotkila_IA 0.0 PAK_Barikot_H 0.0 PAK_Barikot_IA 0.0 PAK_Barikot_MA 0.0 PAK_Butkara_H 0.0 PAK_Butkara_IA 0.0 PAK_Gogdara_IA 0.0 PAK_Katelai_IA 0.0 PAK_Loebanr_IA 0.0 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o 0.0 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H 0.0 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o 0.0 PAK_Singoor_MA 0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA 0.0 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
Uzbek vs Pakis vs Iranian Sayyed vs Iranian Jew:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.2578% / 0.01257793
Aggregated
54.6Mordovian
21.4Iranian_Jew
17.4Uzbek
6.6PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
0.0PAK_Aligrama_H
0.0PAK_Aligrama_I
0.0PAK_Arkotkila_IA
0.0PAK_Barikot_H
0.0PAK_Barikot_IA
0.0PAK_Barikot_MA
0.0PAK_Butkara_H
0.0PAK_Butkara_IA
0.0PAK_Gogdara_IA
0.0PAK_Katelai_IA
0.0PAK_Loebanr_IA
0.0PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.0PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
0.0PAK_Singoor_MA
0.0PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
Uzbek vs Pakis vs Iran Zoroastrian vs Iran Fars:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.4179% / 0.01417896
Aggregated
54.8Mordovian
26.6Iranian_Fars
15.6Uzbek
2.2Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.6PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
0.2PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
0.0PAK_Aligrama_H
0.0PAK_Aligrama_IA
0.0PAK_Arkotkila_IA
0.0PAK_Barikot_H
0.0PAK_Barikot_IA
0.0PAK_Barikot_MA
0.0PAK_Butkara_H
0.0PAK_Butkara_IA
0.0PAK_Gogdara_IA
0.0PAK_Katelai_I
0.0PAK_Loebanr_IA
0.0PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.0PAK_Singoor_MA
0.0PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
Deleted all pakis. They are useless here
Uzbek vs Armenian vs Fars and Zoroastrian Iranians
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.3403% / 0.01340289
Aggregated53.8 Mordovian 17.6 Uzbek 17.2 Iranian_Fars 11.4 Armenian 0.0 Armenian_Hemsheni 0.0 Iranian_Zoroastrian
Uzbek vs Iranians Fars/Zoroastrian vs Turkish central:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.2377% / 0.01237656
Aggregated52.0 Mordovian 19.4 Turkish_Central 14.8 Uzbek 13.6 Iranian_Fars 0.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
Uzbek vs Turkish central vs Iranians Fars/Zoroastrian vs Syrians:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.0268% / 0.01026786
Aggregated52.0 Mordovian 17.2 Uzbek 14.0 Syrian 7.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian 5.6 Iranian_Fars 3.8 Turkish_Central
Since 23andme doesnt have north caucasian references, here is what happens:
“I’m half North Ossetian and my results came up as 42% Western Asia (Turkish)”
When checking for your ancient (Neolithic) ancestry, it seems like you get some Natufian (Neolithic Levantine) which isn't something that really happens with other Central Asians. It seems like there's additional MENA-input into Bukhara from West Asians. I still think your Bukharan Uzbek father is typical for Uzbeks from Bukhara, so whatever applies to him probably applies to Bukharans as a whole. Its not that much, but still kinda unusual because one would expect it to be 0. You can make whatever conclusion from it you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
When modeling you with Syrian (Syrian Arab + Syrian Jew), your fit also improved considerably:Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 4.9253% / 0.04925307
Aggregated
34.4 Anatolia_NF
24.2 Eastern_HG
11.2 Caucasus_HG
10.0 East_Eurasian
7.2 Iran_NF
6.4 Baltic_HG
3.2 Levant_NF
3.2 South_Eurasian
0.2 SSA
If there's additional MENA input into Samarkand-Bukhara, then its probably the same case for the Tajik and Uzbek communities of North Afghanistan. Since Davidski has samples of them, maybe he can upload it to G25. Then it would improve your modeling.Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.2507% / 0.02250710
Aggregated
44.6 Russian
20.8 Syrian
17.6 Tajik
17.0 Uzbek
I used Syrian above because Tajiks have some Iranian ancestry and thought it would be a good indicator of excess MENA ancestry. But I tried another run with both Syrians and Iranians:
Now another one without Syrians (weirdly enough no Tajik was picked up):Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.2371% / 0.02237125
Aggregated
46.6 Russian
21.6 Uzbek
15.8 Syrian
10.8 Iranian_Fars
5.2 Tajik
Notice that when West Asian populations are used, your fit improves a whole lot. Since Bukhara and Samarkand were considered very important cities during the Iranian Intermezzo, my guess is Bukharans and Samarkandis just have excess Iranian ancestry. It'd be interesting to see if how similar your Bukharan side is to the North Afghanistani Uzbeks if Davidski uploads them.Quote:
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.4580% / 0.02457957
Aggregated
49.0 Russian
27.8 Iranian_Fars
23.2 Uzbek
Also, if you don't mind, can you share your HarappaWorld results?
Can anyone run this model for me?
Bakhas results
Aggregated
34.4 Anatolia_NF
24.2 Eastern_HG
11.2 Caucasus_HG
10.0 East_Eurasian
7.2 Iran_NF
6.4 Baltic_HG
3.2 Levant_NF
3.2 South_Eurasian
0.2 SSA
My G25
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
yo_scaled,0.126344,0.114755,0.056568,0.04522,0.030 467,0.019243,0.00564,-0.002308,-0.00634,-0.014761,-0.002598,-0.010041,0.016353,0.015689,-0.018865,0.010607,0.021905,-0.004941,-0.00729,0.004377,0.004118,-0.003339,0.004807,-0.00012,-0.006826
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
yo,0.0111,0.0113,0.015,0.014,0.0099,0.0069,0.0024,-0.001,-0.0031,-0.0081,-0.0016,-0.0067,0.011,0.0114,-0.0139,0.008,0.0168,-0.0039,-0.0058,0.0035,0.0033,-0.0027,0.0039,-0.0001,-0.0057
Ok here is my result based on all modern averages:
Target: GR_scaled
Distance: 1.2044% / 0.01204382
Aggregated26.2 Turkish_Azer 25.6 Russian_Smolensk 10.2 Lithuanian 8.8 Spanish_Asturias 6.8 Chuvash 5.8 Kalash 4.8 Tatar_Lipka 3.6 Balochi 3.0 Eskimo_Sireniki 1.8 Lebbo 1.6 Koryak 0.6 Dinka 0.4 Oroqen 0.4 Yoruba 0.2 Brahui 0.2 Igorot
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Population S-Indian 3.47 Pct Baloch 12.70 Pct Caucasian 19.47 Pct NE-Euro 32.23 Pct SE-Asian 0.89 Pct Siberian 5.93 Pct NE-Asian 3.18 Pct Papuan 0.32 Pct American 1.15 Pct Beringian 1.11 Pct Mediterranean 13.53 Pct SW-Asian 5.04 Pct San 0.26 Pct E-African 0.72 Pct Pygmy - W-African - <form method="post" action="https://www.gedmatch.com/oracle2.php">
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Samarkandi Tajik:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakha
Spoiler!
Is around 25% East Eurasian. You get ~10% East Eurasian. This is probably mainly cause you're half-Russian, but keeping in mind that Russians (especially Volga Russians) get some EE, your father is probably 15-20% EE which is in the Tajikistani Tajik range.
Also, your Med seems very high, and your SW Asian is also a bit higher than average. You have almost 10% more Med than the Samarkandi. Your father may or may not be a typical Bukhara Uzbek, but have you have tried asking him if there's any recent non-Uzbek/Turkic ancestry in your family?
Target: yoQuote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Distance: 5.9599% / 0.05959872
Aggregated
42.6 Anatolia_NF
29.4 Eastern_HG
15.4 Baltic_HG
12.0 Caucasus_HG
0.6 South_Eurasian
Thanks man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
That fucking south Eurasian just had to pop up with its .6 percent lmao.
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