What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Printable View
What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It refers to the Late Avars, those who the Árpádians have found in the Carpathian Basin. They were already almost completely Europanized:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
"Whatever was left of Avar power was effectively ended when the Bulgars expanded their territory into the central and eastern portions of traditional Avar lands around 829. According to Pohl, an Avar presence in Pannonia is certain in 871, but thereafter the name is no longer used by chroniclers. Pohl wrote, "It simply proved impossible to keep up an Avar identity after Avar institutions and the high claims of their tradition had failed". Although, Regino wrote about them at the year of 889. The growing number of archaeological evidence in Transdanubia also presumes an Avar population in the Carpathian Basin in the very late 9th century. Archaeological findings suggest a substantial, late Avar presence on the Great Hungarian Plain, however it is difficult to determine their proper chronology. The preliminary results of the new excavations also imply that the known and largely accepted theory of the destruction of the Avar settlement area is outdated, the disastrous depopulation of the Avar Khaganate has never happened.
Byzantine records, including the "Notitia episcopatuumî", the "Additio patriarchicorum thronorumî" by Neilos Doxopatres, the "Chronica" by Petrus Alexandrinus and the "Notitia patriarchatuum" mention the 9th century Avars as an existing Christian population. The Avars had already been mixing with the more numerous Slavs for generations, and they later came under the rule of external polities, such as the Franks, Bulgaria, and Great Moravia.The Avars in the region known as solitudo avarorum—currently called the Alföld—vanished in an arc of three generations. They slowly merged with the Slavs to create a bilingual Turkic-Slavic-speaking people who were subjected to Frankish domination; the invading Magyars found this composite people in the late 9th century. The De Administrando Imperio, written around 950, clearly states the presence of an Avar population in the region of modern-day Croatia."
Crim-Tatars are generally scarce on Gedmatch and as for Anatolian Turks I think other members have plenty of results, I don't have any at hand right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
This is true but many thinks early avars were also white europeans not mongoloids, i've seen it many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
Found a TurkQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Turk - T1, R1a1a
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.08
2 Baloch 16.42
3 NE-Euro 14.47
4 Mediterranean 8.37
5 SW-Asian 7.14
6 NE-Asian 3.91
7 Siberian 3.33
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Beringian 1.25
10 Papuan 0.91
11 American 0.83
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 5.35
2 turk (behar) 7.35
3 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 7.71
4 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 8.08
5 azeri (harappa) 8.54
6 turkish (harappa) 9.07
7 kumyk (yunusbayev) 9.4
8 stalskoe (xing) 11.53
9 nogai (yunusbayev) 13.64
10 armenian (harappa) 13.66
11 iranian (harappa) 14.21
12 kurd (harappa) 14.25
13 kurd (yunusbayev) 14.52
14 balkar (yunusbayev) 14.53
15 chechen (yunusbayev) 14.74
16 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 15.7
17 north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 16.04
18 kurd (xing) 16.07
19 lezgin (behar) 16.11
20 adygei (hgdp) 16.19
A female Proto-Avar.
DA177, Kaz_Nomad_HP
Y-DNA: ---
mt-DNA: D4j1b
Region: Central Steppe
Period: Hunnic
Age: 3rd to 6th century AD.
-----
Eurogenes K13 result:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Siberian 63.53
2 East_Asian 27.94
3 Amerindian 2.74
4 North_Atlantic 2.56
5 West_Asian 2.52
--------------------------------
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Buryat @ 6.732881
2 Oroqen @ 7.546184
3 Tuvinian @ 10.953559
4 Mongolian @ 16.963058
5 Yakut @ 17.210182
6 Altaian @ 19.741838
7 Evenki @ 23.038284
8 Koryak @ 23.158249
9 Dolgan @ 23.456890
10 Evens @ 25.204424
11 Hakas @ 27.843775
12 Kirgiz @ 29.439655
13 Chukchi @ 29.634632
14 Shors @ 31.932934
15 Kazakh @ 32.271954
16 Ket @ 33.692181
17 Hezhen @ 35.402252
18 Xibo @ 36.830479
19 Selkup @ 36.875515
20 Hazara @ 46.824203
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Buryat +50% Oroqen @ 3.355557
-----
HarappaWorld results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Siberian 46.69
2 NE-Asian 42.93
3 Beringian 3.69
4 NE-Euro 1.65
5 Baloch 1.51
6 American 1.39
7 Mediterranean 1.06
--------------------------------
Using 1 population approximation:
1 oroqen_hgdp @ 5.874140
2 buryat_xing @ 7.580870
3 buryat_rasmussen @ 10.111972
4 mongolian_rasmussen @ 12.222739
5 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 14.667026
6 altaian_rasmussen @ 20.728876
7 daur_hgdp @ 22.370081
8 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 23.592627
9 hezhen_hgdp @ 23.657894
10 kyrgyz_xing @ 24.919680
11 kazakh_harappa @ 28.663282
12 mongola_hgdp @ 31.386757
13 xibo_hgdp @ 35.378613
14 yakut_hgdp @ 37.633606
15 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
16 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
17 hazara_hgdp @ 40.265789
18 dolgan_rasmussen @ 40.840603
19 uyghur_hgdp @ 41.585976
20 evenki_rasmussen @ 44.835037
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +50% oroqen_hgdp @ 3.098740
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +25% japanese_1000genomes +25% nganassan_rasmussen @ 2.701980
-----
Global25 SPS:
Distanceto: KAZ_Nomad_HP:DA177
3.932791 Khamnegan
6.614336 Oroqen
6.989056 Nanai
7.176370 Buryat
7.516290 Ulchi
7.547668 Kalmyk
8.009931 Mongolian
8.231970 Daur
8.249049 Nivkh
8.511854 Tuvinian
8.549478 Hezhen
8.723327 Negidal
9.014996 Mogush
10.72015 Todzin
11.09766 Xibo
12.09570 Altaian
12.40653 Mongola
12.76030 Khakass_Kachins
14.33996 Dolgan
14.50916 Sakha
14.62253 Tibetan
14.77078 Yakut
14.77358 Tu
15.23821 Kirghiz
15.40746 Sherpa
15.44069 Yukagir_Tundra
15.58090 Dungan
16.38542 Evenk
16.79448 Koryak
16.98979 Korean
How do we know these samples are proto Avar when they have been found in Central Asia though? Any link to an article that states this?
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.n...letterbox=true
These guys were actually fun to play as.
These samples are labelled as Nomads, and nomads are open to speculation. From the Hungarian Huns, Avars and Conquerors paper we know the Y-DNA, mt-dna and place of origin of Avars. The Y-DNA line of the male nomad DA95 was found in Hungarian Avars aswell! (Checkout the paper) The mt-dna is mentioned as C, D etc. We know from the same paper that their place of origin was Siberia and eastern part of Central Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljubic
Ps. They're from Pavlodar region, Kazakhstan.
Is this one from the same burial ground?Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6475762
Nope, here are the coordinates: 52.618056,76.749444Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
That's pretty much Siberia, close to Omsk and Novosibirsk.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
So these guys were chinks? Damn... Maybe Avar admixture is the source of the 1% East Asian I score in GEDmatch? I have some ancestors from Northeast Italy, just bordering Croatia.
How much EA do you score?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamastor
Most Gothic samples had some degree of Inner Asian admixture, including Iberians buried with Visigothic grave goods. One Gepidic sample from Serbia was more than one-third Asian. I believe elevated Asian that some Iberians and possibly North Italians show may be a sign of Gothic ancestry,Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamastor
~1.5% in most calculators.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Interesting.. That's a possible explanation, because doesn't make sense this small percentage being carried through many GEDmatch calculators if it was just noise. Of course there is also the option that GEDmatch calculators suck and are full of noise. But it doesn't show up on puntDNAL K13/K15 or MDLP K16, only in Eurogenes and Harappa World.Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
The only calculators who give me high East Eurasian 2-3% are those trashy K3 and K4 ones. puntDNAL K10 Ancient as well (it also gives me an immense number of Sub-Saharan lol):
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 WHG 37.15
2 ENF 31.50
3 CHG 24.23
4 Sub-Saharan 3.51
5 E_Asian 2.44
6 ASI 1.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 8.03
2 Croatian 8.44
...
If I would believe in this thrash I'd think I'm quadriracial. Even ASI lol.
Crimean Steppe TatarsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
#1
1 NE-Euro 29.87
2 NE-Asian 17.68
3 Caucasian 14.39
4 Siberian 11.18
5 Mediterranean 11.09
6 Baloch 9.51
7 SW-Asian 2.45
8 Beringian 1.54
#2
1 NE-Euro 27.04
2 Caucasian 17.26
3 NE-Asian 12.85
4 Mediterranean 11.31
5 Baloch 10.41
6 Siberian 10.23
7 SW-Asian 4.22
8 S-Indian 1.83
9 SE-Asian 1.76
10 Beringian 1.61
11 American 1.30
#3
1 NE-Euro 23.81
2 Caucasian 20.08
3 Mediterranean 13.48
4 Siberian 11.63
5 NE-Asian 11.44
6 Baloch 10.42
7 SW-Asian 4.21
8 S-Indian 2.27
9 American 1.19
#4
1 NE-Euro 29.50
2 NE-Asian 15.64
3 Siberian 15.49
4 Caucasian 13.05
5 Mediterranean 12.09
6 Baloch 8.23
7 SW-Asian 3.33
8 American 1.28
9 S-Indian 1.13
I think you should get your G25 coordinates and see if you can be modelled with the Gepidic sample. The problem is that your European ancestry is mixed, so elevated North European that should accompany Gothic admixture may be hard to differentiate.
Huns operated in NE Italy, Venice was founded by refugees who were escaping from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamastor
I believe those Germanics were mixed with Huns. Huns has Germanic allies among others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
#5Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
1 Caucasian 28.97
2 NE-Euro 18.13
3 Baloch 14.29
4 NE-Asian 13.12
5 Siberian 9.73
6 Mediterranean 6.20
7 SW-Asian 4.54
8 Beringian 2.61
9 S-Indian 1.51
Anyone that opposed Rome were their alliesQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
East Germanic people seems to have mixed a lot with steppe people during their stay in the steppe around the Black Sea. There were cultural exchanges too, especially in the case of the Gepids. Most of those Bavarian women with artificially deformed skulls and exotic ancestry that people thought were Huns were actually buried with Ostrogothic brooches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
By the way nomad magyars had tons of germanic maternal genetic, very possible these came from ostrogoths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Steppe nomads + Germanic nomads = Legendary!Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...r-look-to-HunsQuote:
Originally Posted by Token
Code:ACD1108-Asian,0.097235026,-0.096510911,0.041050819,0.017287724,-0.05452634,0.014600658,-0.010443877,0.013607258,-0.023512403,-0.031546441,-0.007330063,-0.023789677,-0.000459454,-0.010383825,0.010588653,-0.004878186,-0.01502038,-0.008960828,-0.033540445,0.01656238,-0.030067907,-0.018610508,-0.011591901,-0.012675738,-0.024647409
Gepid_Vim2-Asian,0.0635415,-0.144641517,0.064138343,0.055014217,-0.026589747,0.016584634,0.016804319,0.01958272,-0.003477753,-0.016062534,-0.028248679,-0.006064776,0.000333201,-0.023531294,0.023652899,-0.006729632,-0.000302578,0.010845124,0.009406123,0.0051311,-0.01217563,0.036758582,0.018522935,0.020123632,-0.004014613
Nice analysis :victory0:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Avar skulls:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/...09c9f221_o.jpghttps://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/...5445d91f_o.jpg
Hun skulls:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zEZPqZaMWvX78khttps://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/03/...0930895437.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...er_Chongos.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C2%BB_MHNT.jpg
Hungarian Conqueror skulls:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ividuals-A.jpg
ANATOLIAN TurksQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
#1
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.28
2 NE-Euro 14.95
3 Mediterranean 13.21
4 Baloch 12.13
5 SW-Asian 8.94
6 NE-Asian 8.18
7 Siberian 5.84
8 Beringian 0.91
9 Papuan 0.81
10 Pygmy 0.47
11 S-Indian 0.28
#2
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.75
2 Baloch 16.77
3 SW-Asian 10.13
4 NE-Euro 9.16
5 Mediterranean 8.85
6 Siberian 6.76
7 NE-Asian 4.98
8 S-Indian 3.53
9 Beringian 0.99
10 American 0.73
11 SE-Asian 0.72
12 E-African 0.47
13 Pygmy 0.17
#3
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.6
2 Mediterranean 17.02
3 NE-Euro 15.72
4 Baloch 13.28
5 SW-Asian 9.86
6 Siberian 4.64
7 NE-Asian 3.53
8 Papuan 0.84
9 American 0.56
10 S-Indian 0.51
11 Beringian 0.44
#4
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.83
2 NE-Euro 18.2
3 Baloch 13.9
4 Mediterranean 13.32
5 SW-Asian 7.82
6 NE-Asian 5.85
7 Siberian 5.57
8 Beringian 1.06
9 S-Indian 0.64
10 E-African 0.48
11 Papuan 0.19
12 SE-Asian 0.14
#5
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.7
2 Baloch 14.22
3 Mediterranean 13.61
4 NE-Euro 13.35
5 SW-Asian 9.62
6 Siberian 7.26
7 NE-Asian 6.61
8 S-Indian 1.49
9 Beringian 0.98
10 Papuan 0.16
#6
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.02
2 Baloch 14.7
3 NE-Euro 14.46
4 Mediterranean 12.58
5 SW-Asian 9.33
6 NE-Asian 7.35
7 Siberian 4.98
8 Beringian 1.73
9 W-African 0.39
10 American 0.34
11 Papuan 0.1
#7
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.19
2 Mediterranean 16.87
3 Baloch 13.58
4 NE-Euro 13.45
5 SW-Asian 8.16
6 NE-Asian 3.8
7 Siberian 3.62
8 S-Indian 1.84
9 E-African 1.25
10 Beringian 1.24
#8
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.02
2 NE-Euro 15.42
3 Mediterranean 13.3
4 Baloch 13
5 SW-Asian 9.97
6 Siberian 6.14
7 NE-Asian 3.08
8 Beringian 0.9
9 SE-Asian 0.79
10 Papuan 0.34
11 San 0.05
12 S-Indian 0.01
#9
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.13
2 Baloch 14.73
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 NE-Euro 13.32
5 SW-Asian 8.02
6 Siberian 7.33
7 NE-Asian 3.91
8 American 1.47
9 S-Indian 0.79
10 E-African 0.28
11 SE-Asian 0.2
12 W-African 0.15
13 Papuan 0.13
14 San 0.02
#10
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.57
2 Baloch 15.02
3 NE-Euro 15.02
4 Mediterranean 13.99
5 SW-Asian 8.46
6 NE-Asian 5.27
7 Siberian 5.23
8 Beringian 1.57
9 SE-Asian 0.74
10 Papuan 0.55
11 American 0.55
12 San 0.03
...
This is undoubtedly the success of geneticists in solving the mystery of origin of Avar. Buryaad (also baryad) from "Burya" ( "ad " -plural affix). Slavic name of Avars is "Obr" - possibly from "Burya" .
Varchonites is possibly a phonetic variant of the name of this tribe - *bargyn (singular).