Slavic G25 (ancient) calculator

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

Target: MH_scaled
Distance: 1.3110% / 0.01310960 | ADC: 0.25x

43.2 Slavic
41.8 Balkan
11.8 Germanic
3.2 Greco-Roman

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Perhaps a little of your Germanic got missed here, from what I've seen you tend to average around 20% correct? As you said, this calc works very nicely for me.

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Look at how my results change from 0.25 to 0.5x. Feiichy's calc is somewhat accurate in general make-up but you shouldn't consider Greco-Roman (or Celtic in my case) admix based on it. But there are absorbed Greeks in Romania, though you'd probably know it from surnames and eventual ancestry research - a friend looked up his ancestry because of his Greek surname and found out his direct paternal g-g-g-grandpa or so was a Greek administration employee brought by a Sturdza noble.

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Stramosi mei sunt tarani moldoveni ce zici tu acolo bre :), i don’t have greek or aromanian ancestry.

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Originally Posted by andre

Stramosi mei sunt tarani moldoveni ce zici tu acolo bre :), i don’t have greek or aromanian ancestry.

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Neither were any of mine German yet here is the calc

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Originally Posted by andre

when was there a mass colonization of Greeks or Hellenes in Romania to the point of influencing autosomal dna?
The “romans” colons were Illyrian, celts, thracian and people from Norincum and maybe some greek and italic.

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Yes, Greeks and Romans influenced Romanian autosomal DNA and that is why you cluster more south than Bosnians, Serbs and Croats despite being more geographically northern.
Not massively though.

Your language didn't come out of nowhere, and genetics follows language just like in Iberia and France (both have minor Roman admixture)

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Originally Posted by andre

Stramosi mei sunt tarani moldoveni ce zici tu acolo bre :), i don’t have greek or aromanian ancestry.

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You don't need to have it. Almost all Romanians score Italian in 23andme, and well as majority Balkan which includes Greece.

Suprised Finns are scoring little Slavic in this.


Target: Finnish_East
Distance: 1.5728% / 0.01572783 | ADC: 0.25x

44.0 Baltic
31.0 Finnic
20.4 Germanic
4.6 Slavic

Target: Finnish
Distance: 1.4784% / 0.01478370 | ADC: 0.25x

34.2 Baltic
32.4 Germanic
21.0 Finnic
12.4 Slavic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8013% / 0.00801254 | ADC: 0.25x
52.8 Slavic
23.6 Germanic
22.2 Balkan
1.4 Greco-Roman

Target: Lithuanian_PA
Distance: 1.1976% / 0.01197584 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Slavic
28.4 Baltic

Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.0416% / 0.01041556 | ADC: 0.25x
62.6 Baltic
36.6 Slavic
0.4 Finnic
0.4 Turkic

Target: Estonian
Distance: 1.4208% / 0.01420832 | ADC: 0.25x
49.2 Baltic
32.6 Slavic
12.0 Germanic
6.2 Finnic

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.3211% / 0.01321126 | ADC: 0.25x
61.2 Balkan
19.6 Greco-Roman
19.2 Slavic

Target: Oleg_scaled
Distance: 2.7209% / 0.02720917
41.8 Baltic
22.0 Finnic
18.2 Slavic
11.8 Greco-Roman
5.0 Turkic
1.2 Balkan




Target: Oleg_scaled
Distance: 2.9305% / 0.02930451 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Slavic
18.6 Finnic
14.4 Baltic
4.2 Turkic

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Perhaps a little of your Germanic got missed here, from what I've seen you tend to average around 20% correct? As you said, this calc works very nicely for me.

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yess i have no idea where that germanic went. yes on most calulators i score around 20% Germanic

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Originally Posted by Yamnaya

Target: Oleg_scaled
Distance: 2.9305% / 0.02930451 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Slavic
18.6 Finnic
14.4 Baltic
4.2 Turkic

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What is your ethnicity, half Russian half Chuvash?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

What is your ethnicity, half Russian half Chuvash?

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1/4 bashkir 2/4 Terek cossack 1/4 Russian

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Originally Posted by Yamnaya

1/4 bashkir 2/4 Terek cossack 1/4 Russian

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Nice, looks good for you. :)

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

yess i have no idea where that germanic went. yes on most calulators i score around 20% Germanic

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It's remarkable, your Hungarian side really has nothing Germanic or Northwestern at all, your own results always look full average Hungarian to me. The Magyar is strong in you!

Target: Greatuncle
Distance: 3.1536% / 0.03153571 | ADC: 0.25x
60.8 Slavic
34.0 Balkan
3.4 Greco-Roman
1.8 Baltic

Target: Dad
Distance: 2.7459% / 0.02745916 | ADC: 0.25x
60.8 Slavic
21.6 Balkan
14.4 Greco-Roman
3.2 Baltic

Target: Ljubic
Distance: 1.9318% / 0.01931850 | ADC: 0.25x
67.2 Slavic
26.4 Balkan
6.4 Greco-Roman


National Averages West Balkan

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.3965% / 0.01396526 | ADC: 0.25x
63.6 Slavic
23.0 Balkan
13.4 Greco-Roman

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.8573% / 0.00857344 | ADC: 0.25x
63.4 Slavic
16.6 Balkan
10.4 Germanic
9.6 Greco-Roman

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1499% / 0.01149942 | ADC: 0.25x
51.0 Slavic
37.8 Balkan
11.2 Greco-Roman

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8013% / 0.00801254 | ADC: 0.25x
52.8 Slavic
23.6 Germanic
22.2 Balkan
1.4 Greco-Roman

Target: Lithuanian_PA
Distance: 1.1976% / 0.01197584 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Slavic
28.4 Baltic

Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.0416% / 0.01041556 | ADC: 0.25x
62.6 Baltic
36.6 Slavic
0.4 Finnic
0.4 Turkic

Target: Estonian
Distance: 1.4208% / 0.01420832 | ADC: 0.25x
49.2 Baltic
32.6 Slavic
12.0 Germanic
6.2 Finnic

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.3211% / 0.01321126 | ADC: 0.25x
61.2 Balkan
19.6 Greco-Roman
19.2 Slavic

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Funny how Hungarian scores 23.6 Germanic and im 1/4 Dutch and i get 11.8 Germanic.

my moms results:

Distance: 1.9445% / 0.01944545 | ADC: 0.25x

62.8 Slavic
30.8 Balkan
6.4 Turkic

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

my moms results:

Distance: 1.9445% / 0.01944545 | ADC: 0.25x

62.8 Slavic
30.8 Balkan
6.4 Turkic

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Just as I thought, no Germanic. Strong Turkic.

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

my moms results:

Distance: 1.9445% / 0.01944545 | ADC: 0.25x

62.8 Slavic
30.8 Balkan
6.4 Turkic

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What's her phenotype, pigmentation?

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 3.2744% / 0.03274442 | ADC: 0.25x
91.2 Slavic
4.6 Turkic
4.2 Greco-Roman

What was used for Slavic?

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

my moms results:

Distance: 1.9445% / 0.01944545 | ADC: 0.25x

62.8 Slavic
30.8 Balkan
6.4 Turkic

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May I ask your mother's coordinates?

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

my moms results:

Distance: 1.9445% / 0.01944545 | ADC: 0.25x

62.8 Slavic
30.8 Balkan
6.4 Turkic

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HAJRA TURAN!

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 3.2744% / 0.03274442 | ADC: 0.25x
91.2 Slavic
4.6 Turkic
4.2 Greco-Roman

What was used for Slavic?

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Early Czech Slav, Avar_Szolad and Sunghir medieval Russian.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

May I ask your mother's coordinates?

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Code:

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CB,0.126344,0.117801,0.054682,0.030039,0.03416,0.010598,0.009635,0.007615,0.005522,-0.002734,-0.005359,-0.001199,0.002676,0.003716,-0.009772,0.010342,0.017602,0.00038,0.005531,-0.003001,0.000374,-0.002968,0.008874,0.000723,0.005389
 
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
CB,0.0111,0.0116,0.0145,0.0093,0.0111,0.0038,0.0041,0.0033,0.0027,-0.0015,-0.0033,-0.0008,0.0018,0.0027,-0.0072,0.0078,0.0135,0.0003,0.0044,-0.0024,0.0003,-0.0024,0.0072,0.0006,0.0045

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here you go

Added to Vahaduo http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Feiic...calculator.htm


and me:

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 2.2039% / 0.02203894
75.4 Baltic
21.0 Greco-Roman
3.6 Balkan


Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 2.5041% / 0.02504113 | ADC: 0.25x
52.2 Slavic
39.6 Baltic
8.2 Greco-Roman

What is Balkan?

Thraco-Illyrians I suppose

Byzantines and Albanians?

I made average for all samples. Le me know if it is different or same. Also try using R program instead of Vahaduo with pen = 0.01 instead of Dist Col 0.25x for example.

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Slavic,0.1307067,0.125418,0.0709617,0.0548023,0.0353398,0.0204987,0.0086167,0.010884,0.0012953,-0.018163,-0.0006227,-0.0062693,0.0094152,0.0162393,-0.0131648,-0.0027622,0.0039982,-0.0002535,0.0012568,-0.0015633,-0.0007903,-0.0026587,0.008422,-0.0062055,-0.0036127
Celtic,0.128051,0.1469982,0.0592078,0.0198645,0.0473162,-0.0036955,0.0026438,0.0064615,0.0142655,0.02565,-0.0027605,0.0038217,-0.0109635,-0.0054702,3.43e-05,-0.0002648,-0.0022165,-0.0010135,-0.0004082,0.0069098,-0.000967,0.0057498,-0.0009862,-0.005904,-0.0076638
Germanic,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.00044297
Finnic,0.1044325,-0.036051,0.1057825,0.0792965,-0.0122328,0.008576,0.006169,0.0141918,0.0037328,-0.0303422,0.033046,-0.0083175,0.019772,-0.0182695,-0.0065485,-0.0034805,-3.28e-05,-0.0031672,-0.0073848,0.0008442,0.016658,-0.0018547,-0.0016945,0.004097,0.0008382
Balkan,0.1242948,0.1454576,0.0219609,-0.0209304,0.0280257,-0.0091291,-0.0018095,-0.0004308,0.0046495,0.025416,0.0011531,0.0085724,-0.0165656,-0.0051472,-0.0072882,-0.0015733,0.0054804,0.0019638,0.006243,-0.0079413,-0.0038933,0.0035984,-0.0013271,0.0019118,-0.0048139
Baltic,0.1328567,0.1247033,0.0959075,0.101518,0.050032,0.0416115,0.0128388,0.0187342,-0.0028142,-0.047054,-0.0026255,-0.0208925,0.0301752,0.0349791,-0.0056551,0.0007021,-0.0051359,0.0015229,-0.0007774,-0.0003869,0.0023916,-0.0073366,0.0078833,-0.0164144,0.0046989
Greco-Roman,0.1052743,0.152689,-0.0159294,-0.0611177,0.0130344,-0.0237231,-0.0009327,-0.0035407,0.002921,0.033336,0.0043776,0.0096213,-0.008353,-0.0010681,-0.0122106,-0.005805,0.0123988,0.0020733,0.0068258,-0.0035316,-0.0041542,0.0010294,-0.0037448,0.000329,-7.61e-05
Turkic,0.0782535,-0.0807345,0.0218728,0.0037145,-0.034314,-0.0054383,0.0038775,0.0042693,-0.0137032,-0.010752,-0.014209,-0.004646,-0.0043855,-0.0097712,0.002986,0.0028838,0.003814,0.001172,0.0007228,3.15e-05,-0.0070502,0.0027515,-0.0076108,-0.0011748,0.0016168

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Originally Posted by nittionia

To compare with other nw euros:
https://i.imgur.com/rXwlgqX.png
0.25x:
https://i.imgur.com/Ysxiw1i.png

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Mine:
Target: KS_scaled
Distance: 2.7179% / 0.02717934 | ADC: 0.25x

83.8 Germanic
16.2 Balkan


Mothers:
Target: CS mom
Distance: 4.3560% / 0.04356044 | ADC: 0.25x

85.8 Germanic
9.8 Greco-Roman
2.6 Balkan
1.8 Turkic

Target: Ethel_scaled
Distance: 2.4956% / 0.02495600 | ADC: 0.25x
53.2 Balkan
29.4 Greco-Roman
13.4 Celtic
4.0 Finnic

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Originally Posted by Dick

I made average for all samples. Le me know if it is different or same. Also try using R program instead of Vahaduo with pen = 0.01 instead of Dist Col 0.25x for example.

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what are these numbers above the result.. some error or?

https://i.imgur.com/SsfGOwR.png

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

what are these numbers above the result.. some error or?

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Just run it in Vahaduo on 0.25X.

Distance: 1.7800% / 0.01779985
49.4 Balkan
31.0 Greco-Roman
17.6 Baltic
2.0 Slavic

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Originally Posted by Ylla

Distance: 1.7800% / 0.01779985
49.4 Balkan
31.0 Greco-Roman
17.6 Baltic
2.0 Slavic

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Please try 0.25X. 0 pen should never be used. It's innacurate.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Please try 0.25X. 0 pen should never be used. It's innacurate.

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Here is 0.25x


Distance: 1.9229% / 0.01922899 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 Balkan
11.4 Baltic
9.6 Greco-Roman
0.8 Slavic

Cycles are from 1 cannot be lowered to 0.25x


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.5286% / 0.03528566

60.0 Celtic
29.0 Balkan
10.4 Greco-Roman
0.6 Turkic

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Originally Posted by Ylla

Here is 0.25x


Distance: 1.9229% / 0.01922899 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 Balkan
11.4 Baltic
9.6 Greco-Roman
0.8 Slavic

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It's interesting how you score Baltic, especially when I think of some unusual similairites of Baltic and Albanian language. None of south slav averages score it.
And I think father of one Greek user who is Aromanian scores it too. Maybe it is something older Indo-European you guys have.

I am just speculating. :)

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Originally Posted by Dick

I made average for all samples. Le me know if it is different or same. Also try using R program instead of Vahaduo with pen = 0.01 instead of Dist Col 0.25x for example.

Code:

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Slavic,0.1307067,0.125418,0.0709617,0.0548023,0.0353398,0.0204987,0.0086167,0.010884,0.0012953,-0.018163,-0.0006227,-0.0062693,0.0094152,0.0162393,-0.0131648,-0.0027622,0.0039982,-0.0002535,0.0012568,-0.0015633,-0.0007903,-0.0026587,0.008422,-0.0062055,-0.0036127
Celtic,0.128051,0.1469982,0.0592078,0.0198645,0.0473162,-0.0036955,0.0026438,0.0064615,0.0142655,0.02565,-0.0027605,0.0038217,-0.0109635,-0.0054702,3.43e-05,-0.0002648,-0.0022165,-0.0010135,-0.0004082,0.0069098,-0.000967,0.0057498,-0.0009862,-0.005904,-0.0076638
Germanic,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.00044297
Finnic,0.1044325,-0.036051,0.1057825,0.0792965,-0.0122328,0.008576,0.006169,0.0141918,0.0037328,-0.0303422,0.033046,-0.0083175,0.019772,-0.0182695,-0.0065485,-0.0034805,-3.28e-05,-0.0031672,-0.0073848,0.0008442,0.016658,-0.0018547,-0.0016945,0.004097,0.0008382
Balkan,0.1242948,0.1454576,0.0219609,-0.0209304,0.0280257,-0.0091291,-0.0018095,-0.0004308,0.0046495,0.025416,0.0011531,0.0085724,-0.0165656,-0.0051472,-0.0072882,-0.0015733,0.0054804,0.0019638,0.006243,-0.0079413,-0.0038933,0.0035984,-0.0013271,0.0019118,-0.0048139
Baltic,0.1328567,0.1247033,0.0959075,0.101518,0.050032,0.0416115,0.0128388,0.0187342,-0.0028142,-0.047054,-0.0026255,-0.0208925,0.0301752,0.0349791,-0.0056551,0.0007021,-0.0051359,0.0015229,-0.0007774,-0.0003869,0.0023916,-0.0073366,0.0078833,-0.0164144,0.0046989
Greco-Roman,0.1052743,0.152689,-0.0159294,-0.0611177,0.0130344,-0.0237231,-0.0009327,-0.0035407,0.002921,0.033336,0.0043776,0.0096213,-0.008353,-0.0010681,-0.0122106,-0.005805,0.0123988,0.0020733,0.0068258,-0.0035316,-0.0041542,0.0010294,-0.0037448,0.000329,-7.61e-05
Turkic,0.0782535,-0.0807345,0.0218728,0.0037145,-0.034314,-0.0054383,0.0038775,0.0042693,-0.0137032,-0.010752,-0.014209,-0.004646,-0.0043855,-0.0097712,0.002986,0.0028838,0.003814,0.001172,0.0007228,3.15e-05,-0.0070502,0.0027515,-0.0076108,-0.0011748,0.0016168

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Quite different

[1] "distance%=2.0876"

Ford

Slavic,67
Greco-Roman,21.3
Celtic,8.2
Balkan,3.5

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

It's interesting how you score Baltic, especially when I think of some unusual similairites of Baltic and Albanian language. None of south slav averages score it.
And I think father of one Greek user who is Aromanian scores it too. Maybe it is something older Indo-European you guys have.

I am just speculating. :)

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Which references for Slavs were used here? Afaik only Avar_Hungary_Szolad_2 is unmixed all other Slavic samples either have Balkan or West Germanic admixture. Maybe the medieval sample from Sunghir is also Proto-Slavic-like and unmixed but he is from a later period.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Which references for Slavs were used here? Afaik only Avar_Hungary_Szolad_2 is unmixed all other Slavic samples either have Balkan or West Germanic admixture. Maybe the medieval sample from Sunghir is also Proto-Slavic-like and unmixed but he is from a later period.

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Szolad, Sunghir and early Czech Slav.

Distance: 1.8248% / 0.01824838 | ADC: 0.25x
54.6 Slavic
30.8 Baltic
5.2 Finnic
4.8 Germanic
4.6 Turkic

Distance: 1.6464% / 0.01646432
37.2 Slavic
36.8 Baltic
15.0 Germanic
8.2 Turkic
2.8 Finnic

Seems like there is some problem with Turick sample here indeed, aswell as Finnic - i get too low amount of it.

Using new code

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.8432% / 0.01843237 | ADC: 0.25x
49.4 Germanic
41.6 Balkan
9.0 Slavic

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.04519947 Celtic
0.04631011 Germanic
0.06108239 Balkan
0.06793263 Slavic
0.12119225 Greco-Roman
0.13879581 Baltic
0.20983463 Finnic
0.23553074 Turkic