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Widowed and Corona got meQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.
Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)
Torbeshi some look Vlach other obvious GypsyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Yet you've never met any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
I have, why would I give the summary if I didn't know! I live in Canada we have better shawty here, I have close contact with many Balkan ethnicsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
Yeah ,but thats something like common thing between Macedonians thats going from knee to knee that Torbeshi are purest Macedonians who were Islamized and we call them traitors because they accepted Islam.And i guess they were not mixed with another ethnicities, unless Macedonians who were under many occupations -im talking also about my town North part (Kumanovo) were also populated atleast 20% with Serbs and mixed through time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Because, like alot of people here, you are all dumb fucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
You live in Kumanovo but you look like Albanian/Greek/PortugueseQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Interesting population displacement! You read my name right Cumansky!
Ok m8 m8888!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
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Originally Posted by Kaspias
Comparing Macedonians with Torbeshi from same region.
Torbesh #1
Torbesh #2Code:Eurogenes K13:
1.
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.39
2 North_Atlantic 24.3
3 West_Med 23.27
4 Baltic 14.91
5 West_Asian 8.83
6 Red_Sea 2.74
7 Amerindian 0.65
8 Siberian 0.36
9 Oceanian 0.35
10 East_Asian 0.21
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 5.31
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.13
3 North_Italian 8.57
4 West_Sicilian 8.61
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9
6 Bulgarian 10.72
7 Central_Greek 10.72
8 East_Sicilian 11.47
9 Romanian 11.74
10 South_Italian 13.48
11 Ashkenazi 13.71
12 Serbian 15.13
13 Portuguese 16.77
14 Spanish_Extremadura 17.04
15 Spanish_Galicia 17.93
16 Spanish_Andalucia 18.06
17 Spanish_Murcia 18.07
18 Spanish_Valencia 18.28
19 Italian_Jewish 18.55
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.74
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59% Greek_Thessaly + 41% North_Italian @ 1.95
2 75.9% Greek_Thessaly + 24.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.07
3 79.7% Greek_Thessaly + 20.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.22
4 75.9% Greek_Thessaly + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.31
5 68.7% Tuscan + 31.3% Bulgarian @ 2.32
6 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.37
7 77.8% Greek_Thessaly + 22.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.46
8 76.9% Greek_Thessaly + 23.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.58
9 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% French_Basque @ 2.59
10 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.59
11 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.62
12 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Southwest_French @ 2.67
13 75.3% Greek_Thessaly + 24.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.67
14 75% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Portuguese @ 2.68
15 54.8% Tuscan + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.88
16 76.8% Greek_Thessaly + 23.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.98
17 72.1% Tuscan + 27.9% Romanian @ 2.98
18 90.6% Tuscan + 9.4% Erzya @ 3.26
19 83.8% Tuscan + 16.2% Moldavian @ 3.31
20 89.6% Tuscan + 10.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.39
Macedonian #1 from same regionCode:Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.16
2 West_Med 22.23
3 North_Atlantic 19.26
4 Baltic 17.27
5 West_Asian 11.81
6 Red_Sea 3.03
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Amerindian 0.98
9 Siberian 0.93
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.31
2 Bulgarian 8.08
3 Central_Greek 9.25
4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.74
5 Romanian 10.19
6 Tuscan 10.2
7 West_Sicilian 10.41
8 East_Sicilian 10.57
9 Ashkenazi 13.1
10 South_Italian 13.27
11 North_Italian 13.38
12 Serbian 14.39
13 Algerian_Jewish 18.9
14 Italian_Jewish 19.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.39
16 Moldavian 19.94
17 Portuguese 21.19
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.47
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.03
20 Hungarian 22.54
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Greek_Thessaly + 17.3% Bulgarian @ 2.91
2 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Southwest_French @ 2.91
3 92.7% Greek_Thessaly + 7.3% Moldavian @ 2.91
4 86.7% Greek_Thessaly + 13.3% Romanian @ 2.95
5 93.9% Greek_Thessaly + 6.1% Croatian @ 2.95
6 95.4% Greek_Thessaly + 4.6% Ukrainian @ 2.96
7 95.3% Greek_Thessaly + 4.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.98
8 95.6% Greek_Thessaly + 4.4% Tatar @ 2.98
9 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% French_Basque @ 2.99
10 95% Greek_Thessaly + 5% East_German @ 3
11 91% Greek_Thessaly + 9% Serbian @ 3
12 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3
13 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.01
14 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% South_Polish @ 3.01
15 98.4% Greek_Thessaly + 1.6% Japanese @ 3.02
16 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% Polish @ 3.02
17 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% Hezhen @ 3.02
18 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% Xibo @ 3.02
19 96.6% Greek_Thessaly + 3.4% Erzya @ 3.02
20 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Austrian @ 3.02
Macedonian #2 from same regionCode:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Baltic 18.12
4 West_Med 16.81
5 West_Asian 15.16
6 Red_Sea 2.54
7 East_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.24
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07
11 Siberian 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.35
2 Bulgarian 6.67
3 Romanian 8.08
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.01
5 Central_Greek 11.19
6 Tuscan 11.9
7 Serbian 12.15
8 East_Sicilian 12.72
9 West_Sicilian 12.74
10 North_Italian 14.69
11 Ashkenazi 14.9
12 South_Italian 15.39
13 Moldavian 18.29
14 Hungarian 19.93
15 Sephardic_Jewish 20.88
16 Italian_Jewish 21.14
17 Croatian 21.21
18 Algerian_Jewish 21.65
19 Portuguese 21.66
20 Austrian 21.89
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.26
2 76.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.6
3 61.4% Bulgarian + 38.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
4 54.7% Austrian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 2.83
5 80.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 19.6% Lithuanian @ 2.96
6 52.2% East_German + 47.8% Cyprian @ 2.97
7 77.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.97
8 56% Romanian + 44% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.98
9 79.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.8% Erzya @ 3.02
10 64.7% Central_Greek + 35.3% Hungarian @ 3.07
11 75.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.9% Ukrainian @ 3.1
12 78.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.6% Belorussian @ 3.12
13 65.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.5% Moldavian @ 3.13
14 78.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.15
15 74.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.3% South_Polish @ 3.25
16 74.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.26
17 59.2% Romanian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 3.27
18 78.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.31
19 77% Italian_Abruzzo + 23% Polish @ 3.34
20 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Croatian @ 3.36
Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.27
2 East_Med 21.44
3 West_Med 21.03
4 Baltic 18.11
5 West_Asian 12.14
6 Red_Sea 1.9
7 Amerindian 1.12
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Oceanian 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.71
2 Bulgarian 6.29
3 Romanian 7.5
4 Tuscan 9.61
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.66
6 North_Italian 11.27
7 Serbian 11.52
8 Central_Greek 11.86
9 West_Sicilian 12.04
10 East_Sicilian 13.24
11 South_Italian 15.72
12 Ashkenazi 15.83
13 Moldavian 17.74
14 Portuguese 18.57
15 Spanish_Extremadura 19.06
16 Hungarian 19.35
17 Spanish_Galicia 19.49
18 Spanish_Cataluna 20.19
19 Spanish_Murcia 20.21
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.32
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Tuscan @ 2.21
2 62.7% Romanian + 37.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
3 66.5% Central_Greek + 33.5% East_German @ 2.77
4 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% West_German @ 2.78
5 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Irish @ 2.79
6 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Dutch @ 2.81
7 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Orcadian @ 2.81
8 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% Southwest_English @ 2.82
9 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Norwegian @ 2.84
10 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Southeast_English @ 2.86
11 86.2% Greek_Thessaly + 13.8% North_Dutch @ 2.87
12 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% West_Scottish @ 2.88
13 80.8% Greek_Thessaly + 19.2% Austrian @ 2.9
14 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Swedish @ 2.94
15 85.4% Greek_Thessaly + 14.6% North_German @ 2.94
16 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Danish @ 2.95
17 69.1% Romanian + 30.9% South_Italian @ 2.96
18 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.96
19 82.5% Greek_Thessaly + 17.5% East_German @ 2.99
20 59.8% Romanian + 40.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.04
These results are no different from that of Aromanians/Balkan Vlachs, aren't they?
Why i look Portuguese wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
You don't look like us! Who are the native!Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Yeah Australia mate. Best country in the world.
You look like my Uncle, Mother sideQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
What the god damn are you?
Too many crackers and wannabe crackers you have wildfire everyday niggaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
Vlah!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
I think they cluster more north. A member here is a Vlach from Greece and clusters more north then Greeks and Macedonians. The user name is Paradox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
This is why i called you dumb fuck before. It's fucken freezing right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Well your homeland is Romania then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Got emQuote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
After 1300!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
Man can you stop spamming please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Buddy I tell you one more time, I am 55% Macedonian you are 44% Greek!Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Yeah More like Torbeshi , see post #50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Subscribed :cool:
!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can you share Macedonian Turkish results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Here are only 4 results
https://turkishdnaproject.com/makedonya-turkleri/
Yes, her Aromanian father is very Slavic. He is in between Serb and Romanian average as far as I remember. But there are Vlachs no different than standard north Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
It doesn't make sense Macedonian Slavs are less northern than Aromanians, I think these type of results are not typical for entire North Macedonia.
Correct me if I am wrong.
You are wrong, these gedmatch results are from everywhere (west,central,south,east part) except i think Northwest, these highest Baltic are from Northeast part of country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
We seperate Macedonians from Bulgarians in terms of genetic because they have additional "Torbeshi-like" admixture. I agree that they can be regarded as purest Macedonians, because they were native of the region before Slavs come. All Macedonians have that admixture, but not clean as much as Torbeshi. I'm sure you know it, accepting Islam resulted with preserving Torbesh ethnicity. Otherwise they would be regular Macedonians now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Yeah, from i was saw Torbeshi Baltic would be 14-17 max while from these Macedonian gedmatch kits 18-23 but in average 20-21.Also i noticed Bulgarians have more West Asian and less North Atlantic than Macedonians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Also these Torbeshi and Macedonians from same region were very similar.
k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece
Kocani:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04
Skopje:
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.73
2 West_Asian 21.7
3 West_Med 17.48
4 Baltic 12.76
5 North_Atlantic 9.65
6 Red_Sea 3.69
7 East_Asian 2.35
8 Siberian 1.77
9 South_Asian 1.62
10 Oceanian 0.27
I have more, but I don't have access to my PC now(also suspect some kits are not working). If you are looking for East Eurasian scores this may help: (Skopje N=3, East N=1, South N=5)
https://i.ibb.co/VwSRPB2/eurasianadmixturesansur.jpg
@Kaspias
k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece
https://i.imgur.com/LZPe7om.jpg
That's a good point, if you have results for BGR_IA and Scythian Moldova it would be good to see it, too. I'm on mobile so it is a hard process to search for them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.
The less North Atlantic case is common among Pomaks.
I will try to find now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Yeah Bulgaria no that homogenous because big territory, i think south and southwest part is very similar to Macedonia,southeast more West Asian admixture i guess logically,but it seems north is more like Serbian/Romanian with higher Baltic, i saw north Bulgarian gedmatch with 35 Baltic that was too much.
No fully ethnic Bulgarian can score 35 Baltic, such individual has recent Russian or Ukrainian ancestry.
Bulgarians have far from the Greek and Turkish genetic diversity. There are some outliers, but 80% and above fall in Wallachian-Bulgarian cluster. Those plotting with Serbs or Northern Greeks are minority, mostly because Bulgarians today are regionally mixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
This is not the case. Both a Bulgarian who have 30 Baltic and have 18 Baltic will be in same cluster, because spreading of other components(med and WA is decisive factor) are in same parallel which makes them Bulgarian at the end of the day. If one would cluster with Serbs s/he should have totally different breakdown. If you ask me, over 90% of ethnic Bulgarians will be in same cluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lioncourt
That's why I stated Eastern Balkans, this is the maximum you can reach in such a small region.