Sicilianu101's Results

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rashka

Wow that looks so interesting. But still you can pass as a Turk with results like yours? What kind of farmers do the plain white Europeans get classified as? I just see middle eastern farmer, mediterranean farmer, anatolian farmer, baltic farmer, etc...

---

Here are some individual results from the thread I showed you:

Norwegian man:
Baltic hunter & gatherer - 77.54%
Mediterranean farmer - 20.28%
North Eurasian hunter & gatherer - 1.11%
East Asian farmer - 0.97%
Pygmy hunter & gatherer - 0.06%
South Asian hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Anatolian farmer - 0.00%
Middle Eastern herder - 0.00%
American hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Oceanian hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Bantu farmer - 0.00%

English man:
63.9% Baltic hunter-gatherer (British average 63.3%, Irish average 63.9%)
33.9% Mediterranean farmer (British average 33.2%, Irish average 31.7%)
0.8% South Asian hunter-gatherer (British average 0.9%, Irish average 1.4%)
0.5% Pygmy hunter-gatherer (British average 0.009%, Irish average 0.006%)
0.2% Anatolian farmer (British average 1.3%, Irish average 1.9%)
0.1% Oceanian hunter-gatherer (British average 0.2%, Irish average 0.004%)
0.1% North Eurasian hunter-gatherer (British average 0.05%, Irish average 0.001%)
0.001% American hunter-gatherer (British average 0.1%, Irish average 0.6%)
0.001% Bantu farmer (British average 0.006%, Irish average 0.003%)
0.001% East Asian farmer (British average 0.009%, Irish average 0.005%)
0.001% Middle Eastern herder (British average 0.2%, Irish average 0.001%)

Anglo-Tennessean:
0.5191% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
4.0677% Anatolian Farmer
0.001% Middle Eastern Herder
1.0477% American Hunter Gatherer
0.001% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
56.7624% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
0.4474% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
36.6606% Mediterranean Farmer
0.001% East Asian Farmer
0.001% Bantu Farmer
0.4911% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer

Anglo-American:
63.13% Baltic hunter-gatherer
33.35% Mediterranean farmer
1.35% South Asian hunter-gatherer
1.16% American hunter-gatherer
0.90% Anatolian farmer
0.09% Pygmy hunter-gatherer

What are the results for a Spaniard or Portuguese?

& here are a few Turkish individuals results:

Anatolian farmer 53.55%
Mediterranean farmer 16.39%
Middle Eastern herder 8.90%
South Asian hunter gatherer 6.34%
Baltic hunter gatherer 6.03%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer 4.66%
East Asian farmer 2.10%
Bantu farmer 1.23%
Oceanian hunter gatherer 0.40%
American hunter gatherer 0.39%
Pygmy hunter gatherer 0.00%

Anatolian farmer: 62.26%
Mediterranean farmer: 19.11%
Middle Eastern herder: 9.09%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer: 2.92%
East Asian farmer: 2.66%
Baltic hunter gatherer: 2.29%
Oceanian hunter gatherer: 0.54%
South Asian hunter gatherer: 0.43%
Pygmy hunter gatherer: 0.14%
Bantu farmer: 0.08%
American hunter gatherer: 0.00%

Anatolian farmer 0.58469
Mediterranean farmer 0.313338
Baltic hunter gatherer 0.032833
North Eurasian hunter gatherer 0.031169
Middle Eastern herder 0.020459
East Asian farmer 0.010929
South Asian hunter gatherer 0.00001
American hunter gatherer 0.000014
Oceanian hunter gatherer 0.006536
Bantu farmer 0.00001
Pygmy hunter gatherer 0.00001

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Clementina

What are the results for a Spaniard or Portuguese?

---

Here are 2 individuals I found but I'll give you the link to the excel spreadsheet if you want to make averages.

Azorean/Portuguese
Mediterranean Farmer 50.95%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 34.3%
Middle Eastern Herder 8.13%
Anatolian Farmer 2.25%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.72%
Bantu Farmer 1.66%
American Hunter Gatherer 0.54%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.3%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.14%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0%
East Asian Farmer 0%

Galician
Mediterranean farmer 49.94%
Baltic hunter gatherer 35.80%
Middle Eastern herder 8%
Anatolian Farmer 1.58%
Bantu farmer 1.53%
South Asian hunter gatherer 1.41%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer 0.76%
American hunter gatherer 0.53%
East Asian farmer 0.38%
Pygmy hunter gatherer 0
Oceanian hunter gatherer 0

http://bga101.blogspot.fr/2012/03/eu...vs-farmer.html

So let's say I get mine done and I tell them my ethnicity. They will add my results to the different farmers?

New Eurogenes Goodness of fit 93.4% Error (95%) ±2.62%

Sicilian_D 82.38%
Egyptans 6.92%
Azerbaijan_Jews 5.29%
Sardinian 3.98%
Algerian_D 1.43%

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

I am Sicilian. :)

---

Alcara Li Fusi was full of sephadic jews and also of converted moors, so your result isn't surprising, triancrianu101 :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tribuno

Alcara Li Fusi was full of sephadic jews and also of converted moors, so your result isn't surprising, triancrianu101 :D

---

Given the nature of their own genetic results, I'd argue that Sephardic Jews overall might have significant Sicilian ancestry, or Greek.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Clementina

Given the nature of their own genetic results, I'd argue that Sephardic Jews overall might have significant Sicilian ancestry, or Greek.

---

Yes, probabily could be.

Also the "conversi" (berber or mideast mercenaries who adopted Catholicism) could work well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tribuno

Alcara Li Fusi was full of sephadic jews and also of converted moors, so your result isn't surprising, triancrianu101 :D

---

We really can't estimate how many of each in my town as documentation is limited. All we really know is that the name of the town & part of its establishment was by arabs during Islamic times & a jewish community is attested in the 15th Century before expulsion.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcara_Li_Fusi

& as Clementina said, Sephardic Jews seem to have Greek-like admixture & I don't think Jews anywhere are good estimators of Jewish ancestry.
Many times individuals/populations with mixed Middle East & European ancestry come up in analyses as part Jewish.

Looking at the Egyptian & Algerian % I am guessing that I could have some Arabic ancestry. Tunisians many times are more "Sardinian" than Algerians in genetic analyses so even this Sardinian % could be coming from a Tunisian-Arab admixed source in my opinion. I can't discount other hypotheses though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

Looking at the Egyptian & Algerian % I am guessing that I could have some Arabic ancestry. Tunisians many times are more "Sardinian" than Algerians in genetic analyses so even this Sardinian % could be coming from a Tunisian-Arab admixed source in my opinion. I can't discount other hypotheses though.

---

:rolleyes:

Are you really Sicilian? Not the average Sicilian for sure.

Your result is coherent with the study about Sicilians I posted here on TA some weeks ago: Sicilians are a mediterranean people.

GENETIC CONTRIBUTION IN SICILIAN PEOPLE

http://www.bestofsicily.com/genealogy_markers.gif

You find the whole study here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Detfri

Your result is coherent with the study about Sicilians I posted here on TA some weeks ago: Sicilians are a mediterranean people.

GENETIC CONTRIBUTION IN SICILIAN PEOPLE

http://www.bestofsicily.com/genealogy_markers.gif

You find the whole study here.

---

I quote myself.
According to this study the oldest genetic input in Sicilians were the Sicelian (originated in Calabria 128 generations ago), the Elymian and the Greek, the most recent were the Spanish and the Albanian one (18 and 20 generations ago). The scheme illustrates all the peoples who contrinuted in the genetics of Sicilian and for everypeople it says how many generation have intercurred from their supposed contribution.

The main core of Sicilian is so probably a Greek-Italic-Anatolian mixture with a lot of more recent foreign admixtures added.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Detfri

I quote myself.
According to this study the oldest genetic input in Sicilians were the Sicelian (originated in Calabria 128 generations ago) and the Greek, the most recent were the Spanish and the Albanian one (18 and 20 generations ago). The scheme illustrates all the peoples who contrinuted in the genetics of Sicilian and for everypeople it says how many generation have intercurred from their supposed contribution.

The main core of Sicilian is so probably a Greek-Sicul mixture with a lot of foreign admixtures added.

---

The only problem is that it doesn't say how much important the contribution was. It is just speculation so far.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli

:rolleyes:

Are you really Sicilian? Not the average Sicilian for sure.

---

I can trace all my ancestry to the town of Alcara Li Fusi which was pretty isolated for a long time. And I might not be the average Sicilian, but I still may be the average person for my region of Sicily (Nebrodi Mountain area) or my village.

Eurogenes intra-North European ancestry IT40 (IT Average)

Mediterranean: 33.59% (35.34%)
Caucasus: 27.45% (24.18%)
Middle Eastern: 18.45% (14.57%)
Western Euro: 18.15% (13.38%)
Sub-Saharan: 1.79% (0.81%)
South Baltic: 0.56% (4.53%)
South Asian: 0% (0.27%)
Amerindian: 0% (0.09%)
Siberian: 0% (0.04%)
East Asian: 0% (0.10%)
North Sea: 0% (6.15%)
Northeast Euro: 0% (0.53%)

My Sicilian Grandmother and My Great Grandfather were from Sicily and had red hair. I'm pretty sure he was descended from the Normans among other things. What leads me to believe this is I have a lot of Norwegian matches in ancestry finder which could have only come from the Normans or German ancestors who moved to Norway. But that being said the Normans were usually had more Celtic admixture than actual Germanic after marrying in with the local Celtic population of Northern France.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rashka

So let's say I get mine done and I tell them my ethnicity. They will add my results to the different farmers?

---

Your results will be the same regardless of what you tell them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheOne

My Sicilian Grandmother and My Great Grandfather were from Sicily and had red hair. I'm pretty sure he was descended from the Normans among other things. What leads me to believe this is I have a lot of Norwegian matches in ancestry finder which could have only come from the Normans or German ancestors who moved to Norway. But that being said the Normans were usually had more Celtic admixture than actual Germanic after marrying in with the local Celtic population of Northern France.

---

In general there seems not to be much Norman influence in Sicily. I read somewhere that there weren't more than a few thousand of them. The main people they brought who settled were mercenaries, if I remember correctly mainly from Northern Italy, Southern Italy, & Provencal people from Southern France.

Another thing to note is that red hair is not indicative of Northern European ancestry. The mutation which makes a person have red hair is very old & precedes the mutation for blonde hair. You will find a very very small minority of Native redheads throughout the greater Mediterranean region, European & not European.

What do you think the estimated Jewish population number/percentage was in Sicily and/or what do you think the estimated Jewish admixture percentage is in Sicilians?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheOne

What do you think the estimated Jewish population number/percentage was in Sicily and/or what do you think the estimated Jewish admixture percentage is in Sicilians?

---

I think it's the other way around as I said - that European Jews have Sicilian admixture, or many of them may have been Sicilian converts to Judaism during Roman times. This makes sense genetically and given the historically large Jewish population in Calabria and Sicily.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Clementina

I think it's the other way around as I said - that European Jews have Sicilian admixture, or many of them may have been Sicilian converts to Judaism during Roman times. This makes sense genetically and given the historically large Jewish population in Calabria and Sicily.

---

I think there could be some truth to this. Sicilian Jews could have contributed to the Ashkenazi & some additional ones may even have joined historic Ashkenazi communities after expulsion. This might explain partially the small North African component you usually find in Ashkenazi which they could have gotten through Sicily? Here are a few maps I found:
http://www.italian-family-history.co...diterraneo.gif
http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/People/expul2.gif
http://c1.lyndensd.schoolwires.net/1...h_diaspora.jpg
http://cw.routledge.com/textbooks/04...maps/map37.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

I think there could be some truth to this. Sicilian Jews could have contributed to the Ashkenazi & some additional ones may even have joined historic Ashkenazi communities after expulsion. This might explain partially the small North African component you usually find in Ashkenazi which they could have gotten through Sicily? Here are a few maps I found:
http://www.italian-family-history.co...diterraneo.gif
http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/People/expul2.gif
http://c1.lyndensd.schoolwires.net/1...h_diaspora.jpg
http://cw.routledge.com/textbooks/04...maps/map37.jpg

---

The North African segment may also be from when the Jews were in Egypt, in the Bible.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Clementina

The North African segment may also be from when the Jews were in Egypt, in the Bible.

---

Modern Egyptians have a low North African (Northwest African) %. Usually about the same as me ~ 6%

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

New Eurogenes Test:

Me-IT40 (IT average)

Mediterranean Farmer: 43.32% (42.58%)
Anatolian Farmer: 31.66% (27.13%)
Middle Eastern Herder: 16.10% (12.26%)
Baltic Hunter Gatherer: 8.23% (16.64%)
Bantu Farmer: 1.09% (0.40%)
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer: .59% (0.25%)
South Asian Hunter Gatherer: 0% (0.18%)
American Hunter Gatherer 0% (0.08%)
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer: 0% (0.16%)
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer: 0% (0.18%)
East Asian Farmer: 0% (0.15%)

---

Eurogenes HvF1.12.Q

Mediterranean Farmer: 40.32%
Anatolian Farmer: 28.94%
Middle Eastern Herder: 22.11%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer: 6.83%
Bantu Farmer: .98%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer: .82%
Far Eastern Farmer: 0%
South American Hunter Gatherer: 0%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer: 0%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer: 0%
East African Pastoralist: 0%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer: 0%

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

Eurogenes intra-North European ancestry IT40 (IT Average)

Mediterranean: 33.59% (35.34%)
Caucasus: 27.45% (24.18%)
Middle Eastern: 18.45% (14.57%)
Western Euro: 18.15% (13.38%)
Sub-Saharan: 1.79% (0.81%)
South Baltic: 0.56% (4.53%)
South Asian: 0% (0.27%)
Amerindian: 0% (0.09%)
Siberian: 0% (0.04%)
East Asian: 0% (0.10%)
North Sea: 0% (6.15%)
Northeast Euro: 0% (0.53%)

---

Eurogenes NEU1a.12.Q

Mediterranean: 34.47%
Caucasus: 27.33%
Western European: 18.37%
Southwest Asian: 18.14%
Sub-Saharan African: 1.68%
South Asian: 0%
Amerindian: 0%
Siberian: 0%
East Asian: 0%
Western Volga: 0%
South Baltic: 0%
North Sea: 0%

New Updates from Eurogenes

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/04/t...admixture.html

Euro Test K6

58.64% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
32.59% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
5.52% South Asian
3.25% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Asian
0% East Asian

(What is this South Asian in K6? I usually score no South Asian in other tests)

Euro Test K7

40.13% Middle Eastern
30.56% Caucasus
27.15% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
2.16% Sub-Saharan African
0% South Asian
0% East Asian
0% North Asian

Euro Test K8

46.34% Maritime Neolithic
28.45% Anatolian Neolithic
18.89% North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture)
4.81% East African
1.51% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Eurasian
0% East Asian
0% South Asian

Is Maritime Neolithic another way of saying Levantine/Phoenician?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Clementina

Is Maritime Neolithic another way of saying Levantine/Phoenician?

---

Even N. Europeans have a little of it, so my best guess would be that it's a mix of prehistoric Neolithic migrations from the Levant + further migrations from the Levant (e.g. Phoenician, also possibly via Jewish, Muslims)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

Even N. Europeans have a little of it, so my best guess would be that it's a mix of prehistoric Neolithic migrations from the Levant + further migrations from the Levant (e.g. Phoenician, also possibly via Jewish, Muslims)

---

The Caucasus and Anatolian Neolithic scores would represent a population akin to Armenians or going back to more ancient groups, people like the Hittites, who would have come to Sicily during the Neolithic.

k10a (DOD804)

Mediterranean 47.3%
West Asian 26.9%
Atlantic-Baltic 17.9%
Red Sea 6.1%
Sub-Saharan .7%
Southeast Asian .6%
Palaeoafrican .5%
South Asian 0%
East Asian 0%
Siberian 0%

Pagani k8 (IT40)

Middle Eastern 46.27%
West Asian 27.96%
European 22.39%
Northeast African 2%
West African 1.32%
East Asian .06%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0%

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/pic...pictureid=4645

EUTest

EAST_MED 28.73%
WEST_MED 18.37%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 13.97%
WEST_ASIAN 13.95%
ATLANTIC 12.95%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.80%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.91%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.96%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.36%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0

JTest

EAST_MED 27.09%
WEST_MED 17.64%
WEST_ASIAN 13.02%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 12.97%
ATLANTIC 12.12%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.30%
ASHKENAZI 5.99%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.67%
WEST_AFRICAN 1.01%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0

What's the difference from "East Med", "West Asian", and "Middle Eastern"? Like which populations do they represent?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

What's the difference from "East Med", "West Asian", and "Middle Eastern"? Like which populations do they represent?

---

i have no idea. im going to see if i can find that out

I suspect West Asian is Caucasus, Middle Eastern is Saudis, Yemenis, and East Med is Cypriots.

Couldnt find it but look at the maps in this post to see where some of the components peak: http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/09/e...est-files.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

What's the difference from "East Med", "West Asian", and "Middle Eastern"? Like which populations do they represent?

---

Probabily east med represent cypriot or lebaneses.

Your results do demonstrate that we (Sicilians) have shared roots with the Levantines.