Very suspcious of this result. Doesn't line up with any results I've ever seen. Maybe the region he's from is different, who knows. Could also have a NPE or something... :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Markos
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Very suspcious of this result. Doesn't line up with any results I've ever seen. Maybe the region he's from is different, who knows. Could also have a NPE or something... :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Markos
This has nothing to do with genetics. Those pontians with light features are still genetically Caucasian/Armenian. His results are very atypical for Pontian.Quote:
Originally Posted by catgeorge
You have indeed higher East Med and Steppe/Indo-Europen ancestry than most Pontians we have seen. Your ancestry seems to be a mix of native Caucasian, Anatolian and Mycenaean-like/Hellenic with some extra Steppe/Indo-European input. You could be a mix of Pontian and Smyrniot or Islander.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
Are you sure that all of your grandparents are from Pontus? I don't think it is imposible. As I told you we don't have many information about Western Pontus so we cannot tell for sure if these results are really atypical.
OP share your K36 coordinates, they are very good at identifying Pontic Greeks.
For example, this guys run on standard K13 oracle:
But then on K36:Code:K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.79
2 East_Med 34.91
3 West_Med 15.24
4 North_Atlantic 4.06
5 Red_Sea 3.40
6 Baltic 2.49
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 4.964693
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 8.529721
3 Assyrian @ 10.774966
4 Turkish @ 12.709867
5 Kurdish @ 13.562288
6 Azeri @ 14.244275
7 Kurdish_Jewish @ 14.989817
8 Iranian_Jewish @ 15.985811
9 Iranian @ 16.981003
10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.374598
11 Georgian @ 19.710947
12 Cyprian @ 20.630198
13 Abhkasian @ 20.914104
14 Syrian @ 20.964319
15 Kumyk @ 22.360847
16 Lebanese_Druze @ 23.676897
17 Adygei @ 23.750498
18 Lebanese_Christian @ 23.923542
19 Balkar @ 24.871002
20 Ossetian @ 25.504896
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Abhkasian +50% Cyprian @ 4.245990
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian @ 4.004831
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 3.761790
2 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 4.004831
3 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 4.245990
4 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.282678
5 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.335544
6 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.468407
7 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.586637
8 Abhkasian + Armenian + Assyrian + Cyprian @ 4.635136
9 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.635209
10 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 4.734260
11 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.744938
12 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Samaritan @ 4.829273
13 Armenian + Assyrian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 4.952587
14 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Armenian @ 4.964693
15 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.982151
16 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.990697
17 Cyprian + Georgian + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.048193
18 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Italian_Jewish @ 5.049139
19 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.060164
20 Cyprian + Georgian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 5.091162
Done.
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Code:Distance to: PonticGreek_0057
5.28279282 Greek_Pontic
11.58782119 Caucasus_Jews
13.71781688 Turkey_average
14.66119368 Georgian_Laz
14.70483254 Turkish_Anatolia
14.76343456 Azeri_Jews
14.98752815 Assyrian
17.02445006 Armenian
17.52901309 Tatar_Crimea_Coast
17.95952394 Greek_Azov
18.25223000 Cyprus
19.30197658 Azeri_Kars&Igdir
19.42762724 Greek_Dodecanese
19.94122113 Greek_Chios
20.68232337 Greek_Ikaria
20.90315287 Greek_Kalymnos
20.96573395 Greek_Crete
21.12474615 Iraqi_Jews
21.89750899 Kurd
22.29146698 Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro
22.29874884 Greek_Cyclades
22.43759791 Greek_Kythira
22.82541785 Azeri
23.31081509 Askhenazi
23.45286336 Italy_Calabria
I have one old Greek from Macedonia region kit , but it seems Pontic.
Code:"Greek Macedonian" results for puntDNAL K13
Kit Number: Z418934
Name: GreeceMaced1
1 Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.850202
2 Armenian @ 4.943121
3 Assyrian @ 6.664927
4 Lebanese_Druze @ 10.400541
5 Turkish_Kayseri @ 10.442624
6 Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 10.446073
7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.090278
8 Lebanese_Christian @ 11.850492
9 Abkhasian @ 11.862915
10 Cypriot @ 11.916451
11 Syrian @ 12.244077
12 Turkish @ 12.708711
13 Kurdish @ 12.729999
14 Iranian @ 16.302404
15 Ossetian @ 16.326971
16 Dagestan_Azeri @ 17.420746
17 Turkish_Aydin @ 17.674520
18 Jordanian @ 17.760265
19 Balkar @ 18.509897
20 Samaritan_Jew @ 18.515850
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.706778
Until he says or knows otherwise, we have to take his told ancestry seriously and consider that perhaps the regions part of his family is from is historically closer to Ionian Greek settlers. Perhaps the more east the more they are "Hellenized natives" but in the west are more "pure".
Very interesting results. It seems quite atypical. I guess that you have a Bulgarian/Balkan grandparent as well.
Could you provide us your results of the commercial DNA company you have tested with?
I should have given from the beginning more information about my ancestry so people don't get confused. Actually, I was born in southern Russia on the black coast sea from both Pontian parents from Kerasounta and Trapezounta as I mentioned but as far as I know one of my great grandmothers from my father's side was Russian. I live in Thessaloniki since my childhood. I didn't mention that because many people don't want to discuss things when they here about rosopontians. :) My DNA results from MyHeritage was 52.5 west Asia 46.3 Greek 1.2 Ashkenazi.Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
:lol:
File mou tha protimousa na mi steilw proswpika dedomena dimosia. Euxaristw pantws. Ta apotelesmata mou ta ekana apo to myheritage 52.5 dutiki Asia 46.3 Ellada kai 1.2 askenaziQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
How the Russian grandpa fits with the myheritage result though?
Okay, that makes sense, but MyHeritage didn't detect any East European, Balkan or Baltic? How many of your matches on MyHeritage don't appear to be Greek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
Great grandma so maybe undetected? Is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
Well, that wasn't too hard was it.
I think MyHeritage is pretty trash at predicting admixture, it gives me 30% Sephardic Jew for example. :icon_rolleyes: If he has full Russian matches that are not extremely distant that would be enough proof of that kind of ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markos
I have no idea but with 1/8 ,I'd expect even some kind of noise..Quote:
Originally Posted by Markos
Wtf :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
All my matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
Εθνότητα
Τα εθνοτικά σας αποτελέσματα
Αριθμός ταυτίσεων
Δυτικοασιάτες
52,5%
286
Έλληνες και Νοτιο Ιταλοί
46,3%
241
Ασκενάζι
1,2%
22
Ανατολικοευρωπαίοι
0%
255
Βαλκάνιοι
0%
193
από τη Βαλτική
0%
133
Βορειοδυτικοευρωπαίοι
0%
132
Σκανδιναβοί
0%
124
Ιρλανδοί, Σκωτσέζοι και Ουαλοί
0%
99
Φιλανδοί
0%
93
Ιταλοί
0%
91
Άγγλοι
0%
69
Σεφαραδίτες Εβραίοι – της Βόρειας Αφρικής
0%
33
Ίβηρες
0%
27
Μεσοανατολοί
0%
25
Μιζραχί Εβραίοι - Ιρανοί / Ιρακινοί
0%
19
Κεντροασιάτες
0%
14
Μεσοαμερικανός και των Άνδεων
0%
4
Νοτιοασιάτες
0%
4
All my matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
Εθνότητα
Τα εθνοτικά σας αποτελέσματα
Αριθμός ταυτίσεων
Δυτικοασιάτες
52,5%
286
Έλληνες και Νοτιο Ιταλοί
46,3%
241
Ασκενάζι
1,2%
22
Ανατολικοευρωπαίοι
0%
255
Βαλκάνιοι
0%
193
από τη Βαλτική
0%
133
Βορειοδυτικοευρωπαίοι
0%
132
Σκανδιναβοί
0%
124
Ιρλανδοί, Σκωτσέζοι και Ουαλοί
0%
99
Φιλανδοί
0%
93
Ιταλοί
0%
91
Άγγλοι
0%
69
Σεφαραδίτες Εβραίοι – της Βόρειας Αφρικής
0%
33
Ίβηρες
0%
27
Μεσοανατολοί
0%
25
Μιζραχί Εβραίοι - Ιρανοί / Ιρακινοί
0%
19
Κεντροασιάτες
0%
14
Μεσοαμερικανός και των Άνδεων
0%
4
Νοτιοασιάτες
0%
4
His Greek % is very high. His MyHeritage results make sense in comparison to his GEDMatch but it's not adding up to the reported known ancestry now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
I never understood why they separate jewish as a different admix. Why they dont just score med/middle eastern instead of many different jewish admix branches...Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
Me too :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
Its a sum of parts of shared ancestry and combination of results. Some Turkish have high shared ancestry with native Anatoilians in Greece and will give "Greek" results. Same is true with Baltic and whatever.
Perhaps OP's Russian grandfather is of Caucasian descent in reality? That could explain the MH result
Russopontians are at least 25% native Russian and different to Crimean Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hapanuwa
If you ever test again, do 23andme. It's the best for seeing admixtures in the correct proportions (mostly).Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
It's fine if they can accurately detect it (like 23andme with Ashkenazi and FTDNA with Sephardic), but MyHeritage can't and gives random Sephardic to non-Jews, so they should really avoid having it as a category until they can sort it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gecko
I even dont understand this ashkenazi admix. They just middle easteners(or east med) with european admix. Someones near eastern admix could came from another reason. So some score up to 5% ashkenazi, wow that makes 3% east med...Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
Have you ever done 23andMe?Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
So is Gedmatch accurate or does it depend on the DNA company from which I will transfer my kit?
Mytrueancestry closest genetic modern population
1. Greek_Azov (7.913)
2. Turk (8.548)
3. Turkish (10.56)
4. Greek_Cretan (14.00)
5. Azeri (14.55)
6. Lebanese (15.08)
7. Jew-Uzbekistan (15.21)
8. Jew_Syria (15.25)
It's fine, can you post your Eurogenes K36 table here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
Eurogenes K36 Admixture ProportionsQuote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
Population
Armenian13.14
PctBasque1.11
East_Balkan4.55
East_Central_Euro4.35
PctEast_Med14.55
French0.51 PctIberian0.36
Italian16.05
Near_Eastern10.78
North_Caucasian16.64
PctNorth_Sea3.50
West_Caucasian11.99
PctWest_Med2.47 Pct
But either way ,indeed the different Pontus pops should be studied more (among many other ones) soon ,because with the mixing nowadays both in homelands&diasporas ,you won't be able to figure out anything later.
For the sake of discussion,
First Ionian colony on Pontus was from Miletus to Sinope, about foundation of Ionian Miletus(originally Minoan according to tradition) Herodotus says they didn't bring women but took Carian ones instead ,how true is this I don't know (but I think the fact that such narration exists shows that assimilation wasn't that off obviously)..If it is , it could mean early "Pontians"{recent term btw extending to various lands} had some kind of different "shift" already ,I read once Milesians absorbed locals there too. Sinopians later expanded with Trapezouda ,Kerasouda,Kotyora etc in the coast.
So I think even If we had some ancient "Pontian" samples or some modern population with Ionian continuity ,they'd still be a lot different than one would expect.
K36 distancesQuote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
https://imgur.com/XOeku0D.png
[QUOTE=AncientGreek;6677359]K36 distances
How did you do that
[QUOTE=Roman-Anatolian;6677368]This is done using Vahaduo calculator with K36 population references. I believe there is a chance 1 of your great grandparents came from Thrace/Macedonia:Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
https://imgur.com/N2SyeAK.png
[QUOTE=AncientGreek;6677385]I don't think so. I should already know that. My family has never mentioned such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
Yep. And don't forget the hellenistic kingdom of Bosporus. Colonised by Ionians and some Dorians too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
[QUOTE=Roman-Anatolian;6677397]It could just be a coincidence, but, let me tell you...Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientGreek
You scored 0 East European on K36, and anybody with a recent Russian ancestor would score East European, as that's the main category of a Russian. Now, you are also closer to northern Greeks in distance than to other mainland Greeks, which is also very strange. That's why I have a feeling you could have an ancestor from northern Greece, and your family doesn't even need to know about it. Maybe I'm wrong, could just be a bunch of coincidences adding up.