Added some sources to improve fit.
Target: Me
Distance: 258.7750% / 2.58774969
63.6 South_PaleoBalk
12.6 46_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp
8.8 Georgian
8.8 Mozabite_Berber
6.2 Slavic
Added some sources to improve fit.
Target: Me
Distance: 258.7750% / 2.58774969
63.6 South_PaleoBalk
12.6 46_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp
8.8 Georgian
8.8 Mozabite_Berber
6.2 Slavic
yes but its not always the lower the distance the better if i use 0 adc on K13 my distance would be very low and i will get all of these little precentage but it does not mean that they are part of my ancestry because if i use 0.25 Adc then all those little precentages dissapear. i was trying to figure out why she scores so high Germanic since she is very close to Szekely geneticly. her distance is still under 3 so thats still good i would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
With 0.25x ACD it goes higher. Perhaps some Transylvanian Saxon influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17571imre
My father should be very representative for typical Croat (both in looks and genetics). He is mix of almost all historical regions where Croats lived.
Target: Feiichy_Father(croat)
Distance: 2.7170% / 2.71703687
56.6 Slavic
25.6 South_PaleoBalk
10.0 North_PaleoBalk
7.6 Germanic
0.2 Altaic
Croatian average. Fantastic fit! :thumb001:
Target: Croat
Distance: 0.9733% / 0.97334648
59.6 Slavic
31.2 South_PaleoBalk
5.4 Germanic
3.8 North_PaleoBalk
Croat regional averages (again fantastic fits!) :
Target: Croat_Croatia_Central
Distance: 1.3529% / 1.35293503
59.4 Slavic
15.2 North_PaleoBalk
13.4 Germanic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
Distance: 1.2228% / 1.22275945
58.2 Slavic
39.0 South_PaleoBalk
2.8 North_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
Distance: 1.8748% / 1.87480128
59.6 Slavic
33.4 South_PaleoBalk
6.8 Germanic
0.2 Altaic
Target: Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
Distance: 1.5917% / 1.59173927
57.8 Slavic
24.0 Germanic
18.2 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
Distance: 2.6059% / 2.60586656
59.8 Slavic
40.2 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_B&H_Bosnia
Distance: 1.6239% / 1.62385256
58.8 Slavic
25.4 South_PaleoBalk
15.8 North_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
Distance: 2.1531% / 2.15310876
59.8 Slavic
40.2 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
Distance: 1.2060% / 1.20602631
60.6 Slavic
30.2 South_PaleoBalk
9.2 North_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
Distance: 0.8554% / 0.85544566
52.0 Slavic
25.4 Germanic
22.6 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
Distance: 1.6061% / 1.60611990
59.6 Slavic
40.4 South_PaleoBalk
As you can see Slavic admixture is very homogenous in all Croatian regions, around 60% and it's bit lower in NW than elsewhere.
Difference is in amount of Germanic-Celtic and Balkan-Med admixture, NW has more of former and south more of later.
Target: Gallop
Distance: 16.6790% / 16.67903164
63.4 Germanic
36.6 North_PaleoBalk
Hmmm, distance is a bit high.
Target: Dušan
Distance: 5.9627% / 5.96267784
60.2 Slavic
38.6 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic
Good distance for me, but horrible for the rest of the family.
Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 2.1133% / 2.11332900
52.4 Slavic
40.6 South_PaleoBalk
4.8 Altaic
2.2 Germanic
Target: IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.8200% / 5.82003949
56.0 Slavic
39.4 South_PaleoBalk
4.6 Altaic
Target: IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.1914% / 5.19140191
58.2 Slavic
38.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic
Target: IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 6.4240% / 6.42397488
62.0 Slavic
34.4 South_PaleoBalk
3.6 Altaic
Target: ph2ter
Distance: 2.5783% / 2.57832415
57.4 Slavic
31.8 Germanic
10.6 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic
What is used for North_PaleoBalkan. It doesn't seem right. Some individual from an extinct population?
We are all from the same village except for Deniz who is from NE Bulgaria.
https://i.ibb.co/6sXLr85/K13.png
North_PaleoBalkan = Romagna on vahaduo k13 updated https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6838274Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Here you have 3 Spanish results, enormous distances, obviously:
Target: gixajo(mixed South/North Spain)
Distance: 17.5863% / 17.58626325
65.6 Germanic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk
Target: gixajo_dad (South Spain)
Distance: 16.8378% / 16.83779355
53.2 North_PaleoBalk
46.8 Germanic
Target: gixajo_mom(North Spain)
Distance: 18.8015% / 18.80147765
74.6 Germanic
25.4 North_PaleoBalk
And where the references are from...
References from Eurogenes K13 ancient, Vahaduo.
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Distance to: Slavic
0.00000000 AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_
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Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
2.66443240 scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp
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Distance to: Germanic
2.57297493 I4946_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4172_ybp
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Distance to: Altaic
8.16552509 DA116_Kyrgyzstan_Nomad_Med.SG_796_ybp
References from Eurogenes K13 (Modern) updated ,Vahaduo:Quote:
Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
2.99317557 R973_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
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Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Abruzzo
Quote:
Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Romagna
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Distance to: Altaic
0.00000000 Altaian
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Distance to: Germanic
0.00000000 West_German
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Distance to: Slavic
2.86347691 Polish
https://comps.gograph.com/confused-b...gg63768854.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Universe
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Target: FellowGF
Distance: 409.3802% / 4.09380151
55.8 South_PaleoBalk
43.6 Slavic
0.6 Altaic
Target: Fellow
Distance: 445.7420% / 4.45742017
51.4 North_PaleoBalk
36.4 Slavic
10.0 South_PaleoBalk
2.2 Germanic
Your supposedly Ukrainian ancestry is probably either Bucovina German or Hungarian. At least genetically, this is how it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
I have just now made a similar model with G25 individual samples to compare results.No Emilia-Romagna references, so I choose the next close reference, that is Umbria.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...38#post6838438
Andre used Scythian Moldova for north Paleo Balkan it seems. Not a bad choice because that samples probably belonged to to Getae (branch of northern Thracian tribes)Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
North_Paleo_balkan is exactly the same as Romagna (k13 updated)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Ah, than he used modern Romagna reference? If yes, weird choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
Check it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Yeah. I don't see the need to use modern references when we have ancient samples both from southern and northern Balkans available on K13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
I will try to make K13 calc.
I will try soon. I think it will rate me as an intermediate between Balkanic and Altaic but with an awful fit.
Target: ME
Distance: 28.9657% / 28.96565166
80.0 South_PaleoBalk
20.0 Altaic
Guys, don't use the entire spreedsheet; For example if you are from Romania,Croatia, Hungary delete the southern balkanic.. instead, if you are from the south-central balkans (Pomaks,Turks and Albanians) delete the northern one.
For bulgarians, gagauz and serbs, works good both.
Target: Csango_Siret (A sample from my grandma's village)
Distance: 3.7425% / 3.74251771
49.2 Slavic
37.0 North_PaleoBalk
8.4 Germanic
5.4 Altaic
Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 2.6504% / 2.65042497
49.0 Slavic
47.2 North_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic
Target: Andre
Distance: 5.3828% / 5.38280515
57.6 North_PaleoBalk
39.4 Slavic
3.0 Altaic
Target: Romanian_Wallachia
Distance: 6.0802% / 6.08022188
64.0 North_PaleoBalk
33.0 Slavic
3.0 Altaic
Target: Romania_Transylvania
Distance: 4.6681% / 4.66810607
60.4 North_PaleoBalk
37.0 Slavic
2.6 Altaic
Target: Romania_Moldavia_average
Distance: 5.0051% / 5.00514984
55.8 North_PaleoBalk
41.2 Slavic
3.0 Altaic
Bad fit:
Target: Impaler
Distance: 7.6394% / 7.63942595
66.2 South_PaleoBalk
21.4 Slavic
7.0 Germanic
5.4 Altaic
South Balkan is better for me, but still distance is big.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Target: Dušan
Distance: 5.9627% / 5.96267784
60.2 Slavic
38.6 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic
Target: Dušan
Distance: 7.1351% / 7.13514164
56.0 Slavic
41.6 North_PaleoBalk
2.4 Altaic
Try with this: South_Asia,1.23,2.54,5.08,34.92,22.35,5.58,26.09,0 .25,0.23,0.35,0.13,0.67,0.35Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Gave up. I can't create good calc because south Slavs, Hungarians etc end up scoring much more Greco-Roman than native Balkan admixture which can't be realistic. I don't know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
If you want to (try to) compare K13 and G25 results:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...13#post6838613
Results are quite similar even considering references are not identicals.(distances obviously are not)
Target: cpal
Distance: 2.5056% / 2.50563065
70.4 Germanic
25.4 Slavic
3.2 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic
Distance: 506.1428% / 5.06142763
37.4 Slavic
35.2 North_PaleoBalk
24.8 Germanic
2.6 Altaic
Distance to: CDG
9.67407877 Germanic
29.51242450 Slavic
36.93300286 North_PaleoBalk
44.43092054 South_PaleoBalk
72.48463216 Altaic
Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Germanic
Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Germanic
Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Germanic
Target: CDG
Distance: 961.9080% / 9.61907972 | ADC: 0.25x
97.6 Germanic
2.4 Slavic
Target: CDG
Distance: 961.0180% / 9.61018004
96.2 Germanic
3.8 Slavic
Target: Daco
Distance: 2.5625% / 2.56249664
84.6 Germanic
15.4 South_PaleoBalk
Target: Grace
Distance: 1248.9015% / 12.48901541
97.2 Germanic
2.8 Slavic