Almost sure it's Ainu effect/lineage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
Almost sure it's Ainu effect/lineage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
i was A in my dream lol :dQuote:
Originally Posted by IberianAlex
https://images.imgbox.com/5e/e1/3inDPphl_o.jpg
these people look asiatic
i thought Sunghir people were R1 :picard2::picard1:
You find such features in almost any race or ethnicity (in some ethnicities more common than in others). I doubt it's necessarily connected to Cro-magnons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
Japanese have way too little (if any) autosomal WHG admixture to influence there looks.
"Scientific facts" are not always facts, and often are wrong, lying or just assumtions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
You don't know, if they are true. You was just told about it by some people, and you have belived them - people, who
are often ignorants, evil, corrupted, liers or just careerists who don't care about the truth, but of their own benefit.
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Originally Posted by Linebacker
You both will be waiting soooo loooong:Quote:
Originally Posted by Altaylı
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/EJ1C6R/ske...our-EJ1C6R.jpg
They have had all the time in the world to evolve into a different race, natural for any Euro autosomal to be completely gone from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
But haplogroups survive the test of time, if they carry C1 they descend from Cro-Magnon still, there is no other pre-historic population that carried C1 which we have discovered.
:lol00002:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
edit : double post
I am not saying they don't descend from Cro-magnon, I'm just saying it's very unlikely to be the reason he looks that way. He needs to have a decent amount of autosomal WHG admixture to influence his look and he has little to none such admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
I've seen Blacks and Amerindians too with those angular features. It's not always connected to Cro-magnons. Convergent evolution is a thing.
Its about gene expression more than anything. More than a few on Apricity have posted results with high WHG admixture and they did not look at all Cromagnid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
Pan-human features, not necessary exclusivly connected to WHG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
the chance to connect his pheno to his haplogroup is like 0,0 %- the haplo is way too rare and way to old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
Marry one. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaos One
https://lovehairstyles.com/wp-conten...face-shape.jpg
Yep, but it is interesting, was their look their original (they are D, separate D, but the DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaos One
basic looks differently) or their aboriginolike featrues came from this C1 or other C people?
Fixed, Miss Universe 2021 from Poland. Polish women are a lot more Native than Indi-European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
http://iloveepoetry.org/wp-content/u...og-300x288.png
Some yes, but too IE for him. Remember, that CM-like features did appeared also among IEs on the Steppe (alongsideQuote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
with couple of other types). The thing which made a difference was mainly the skin color (so EHG were +/- the same
as modern Whites) and the überconcentration of CM features among WHG (which among IEs were much weaker).
Looks like my grandma when she was youngQuote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
My wife is more like North Pontid. Doesn't help too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
I mean, there're some gaps in Japanese history IMO because folklore and everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
When they say "Jomon people", IMO there're basically different groups. I would say that while there're logical connections, "D" Jomon People are probably related to Okinawans and people on Southern/Central Japan (Japanese HG) while Ainus had a different path coming from North, being C1.
Like:
"The relationship of Jōmon people to the modern Japanese (Yamato people), Ryukyuans, and Ainu is diverse and not well clarified. Morphological studies of dental variation and genetic studies suggest that the Jōmon people were of southern origin, while other studies of bacteria suggest that the Jōmon people were of possible northern origin.[43][44] According to recent studies the contemporary Japanese people descended from a mixture of the ancient hunter-gatherer Jōmon and the Yayoi rice agriculturalists, and these two major ancestral groups came to Japan over different routes at different times.[45][46][47][48][49][50] Recent studies however support a predominantly Yayoi ancestry for contemporary Japanese people.
The Jōmon people were not one homogenous ethnic group. According to Mitsuru Sakitani the Jōmon people are an admixture of two distinct haplogroups: A more ancient group from Central Asia (carriers of Y chromosome D1a), that were present since more than 35 000 years in Japan and a more recent group from East Asia (carriers of Y chromosome type C1a) that migrated to Japan about 13 000 years ago."
I mean, Jomon era is one thing while you can make distinctions between Japanese HG (D1a) and Ainu (C1a).
They were indeed different groups, but that is a distortion. Sakitani Mitsuru never said such a thing in his book DNA・考古・言語の学際研究が示す新・日本列島史―日本人集団・日本語の成立史. Ainu are 0% C1a in every research conducted. Only D1b, now D1a2a and C2b. More likely their looks can be connected to their maternal haplogroup N9b which is a descendant of mtdna N the common maternal haplogroup in west Eurasia. But I also agree that the ancestors of D1a2a were different than both modern Japanese and Ainu.
How do you know they didn't look Cro-magnid? You can inherit facial features from Cro-magnon people without having a huge jaw, prominent cheekbones etc. Modern Europeans are between 20% and 50% WHG (Sicilian vs Estonian). Ethnicities that are 30, 40 or 50% WHG obviously get a lot of their traits from WHGs. It's impossible to be 1/3 or 1/2 something and not inherit anything from that race at all. Just compare half Asian half White people to full Whites or compare a group of 10 Half Finnish-Half Greek individuals to a group of 10 pure Finns. If you removed all WHG admixture from Europeans, they'd look quite different and not only the previously big jawed individuals would start to look different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
1.Because they simply didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
2.Its fully possible. I will do a quick example. This polish man on the left will who I randomly found will be more WHG and less Neolithic admixed than me and I still end up having a more CM appearance thanks to the right gene expression.
I don't really know what kind of WHG I will have since I never bothered to do those kind tests but in any case it will not be higher than an average Pole.
https://i.postimg.cc/76dwR7X4/5d0205...ae13e1f2b5.jpg
So In the end correct gene expression trumps all, various admixtures can definitely stay silent on your phenotype regardless of percentage.
That would make sense, but the problem is, that Ainu are mostly D. Are there some archeo samples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaos One
Where did you get this? WHG in european populations is much less than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
gib pasportoQuote:
Originally Posted by Shubotai
Seriously what happened to C?
"On the other hand, the Ainu exhibited no other Y-haplogroups (C-M8, O-M175*, and O-M122*) common in mainland Japanese and Okinawans. It is noteworthy that the rest of the Ainu gene pool was occupied by the paternal lineage (Y-haplogroup C-M217*) from North Asia including Sakhalin."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
I mean, probably the majority are in fact D but some were C and that's why.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ns-SpreadsheetQuote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Villabruna's mtdna was U5b2b same asQuote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
Rochedane
Paglicci 71
Continenza 7
STANKOa
Iboussieres39
VLASA41
VLASA44
C. Cocina-25-7-41-capa 2;CC1
HJDK_21
HJDK_31
Grave 84, S5885.E1.L1
So that`s really weird. A stray R1b Indo in the middle of Mesolithic Europe, and he had the same mtdna as most Natives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown European
Its either some huge coincidence or Indo-European origins are not what they are believed to be.
It is wrong. Too old. Maybe counting parially some EHG as WHG. Even logically not possible, if for example SHG had allready 50% of it, Neolithic Balkans 2%, Cucuteni 20%, GAC 25%. And then Indoeuropeans arrived, and surelly did not bring with themselves so much whg, to make this even higher than in neolithic local community. Quite opposite, not only this dropped because of the huge new population, but was yet additionaly decimated by wars, gnocides and diseases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/fd...27b2515b7f.jpg
Nothing strange. There were some single wanderings on the east and west from Indoeuropean urururheimat, long before Coirded and Yamnaya expantion, so, you have Villabruna, Iboussieres, Irongates from the one side, Maltaboy, Lokomotiv, Botai aso from the other. It was very wise to marry a local women, to not to die from inbreeding. Such migrations could have 5-30 people max, so, it is logical, that they would make wife trade with local people. This is also the reason of, why EHG admix appeard in late Wuhageans resulting in light eyes. Just life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linebacker
That study in the picture is also quite old, I remember seeing it around 2015 or 2016. EHG was ANE+WHG. WHG is older component than EHG and ANE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
There are yamaya results at the bottom of the study I linked, WHG score is bolded :
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Yamnaya (Russia/Ukraine, 3000BC) (n=6)
34.69% 4.76% 23.94% 0 35.86% 0.53% 0.14% 0.07%
Modern Spaniards don't have WHG?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel