No, unfortunately not. I only know a few maternal ancestors from photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
On my father's side, I know absolutely nothing about his ancestors.
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No, unfortunately not. I only know a few maternal ancestors from photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
On my father's side, I know absolutely nothing about his ancestors.
How do you calculate that? Maybe my parents are not both a specific ethnicity, if the distance is still so high?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
Alles in allem schätze ich mal, dass in deiner Familie in jüngerer Vergangenheit jemand mit Ashkenazischem Hintergrund in einer Liaison zu jemandem aus Ostpreußen stand. Ashkenazi = hoch Ostmediterran und Ostpreußen = oftmals niedrig West Asiatisch (durch den hohen baltischen Influx). Das würde auch die relativ hohen Distanzen im Orakel erklären, da Ashkenazi in der Regel einen ziemlich starken genetischen Kontrast bilden zu den Menschen um sie herum. Man darf aber auch nicht vergessen, dass Eurogenes K13 dafür bekannt ist ziemlich hohe Distanzen bei den meisten Leuten anzuzeigen.
I think you have your answer there. Your father is of Roma background, in all likelihood.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
Attachment 112095Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Attachment 112094
Here are 2 photos of my father
Well, would you classify him as Roma by appearance? In my eyes he looks more balto-slavic, idk.
Das vermute ich auch. Zumindest aus der Region Schlesien / Posen, da ich zu wenig baltischen Einfluss habe im Vergleich zu den Nachkommen aus dem Gebiet Ostpreußen. Schließlich weisen sie eine nähere Distanz zu Südbalten; Litauern bzw ehemaligen Prussen auf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stahlbestie91
Wir glauben, dass meine Uroma vermutlich den aschkenasichen Einfluss aus Regionen von Siebenbürgen miteingebracht hat. Ihre Eltern haben im Kreis Kronstadt / Brasov gelebt.
No doesnt look Roma influenced, also your Gedmatch results don't indicate any Roma background. I would try to look for a 2nd company to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
Yes, I've ordered a dna test from 23andme and hope that the results will give better answersQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Aufjedenfall!Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
I did the calculations utilizing https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
The distance can be high simply because you are from at least 2 distinct ethnic groups, but yes I agree that your background may be more complicated than the model I made.
23andMe handles mixed ancestry best imo, and they should be able to identify if you have Jewish ancestry.
23andme has some specific Jewish references, as long as particular SNPs for Ashkenazi i believe, so you will know if it's that for sure or something else.
He looks Czech.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
Hi lenzhka,Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
I would be interested in seeing your 23andMe results, if you feel like sharing them. Thanks
Can you briefly tell about your 23andMe results? Would be interesting to get all the made speculations verified or discarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
A gypsy contribution would show inevitably by South Asian (a full Gypsy would score some 30% South Asian and some 40% Middle Eastern) and an Ashkenazi contribution would show one-to-one in the component Ashkenazi Jewish.
The thread shows who guessed what.
I would like to share the result from 23andme, but since months no shipping has taken the package from me in Germany and it was even sent back once from NL. :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
I have alternatively done a test of AncestryDNA
Here are the results:
Attachment 116575
Eastern Europe & Russia 38%
Germanic Europe 29%
Sweden & Denmark 21%
Baltics 10%
Wales 2%
Apparently it was just a glitch and there are no close Gypsy / Ashkenazi ancestors
So your father was adopted and your mother is Slovak? Then you already know half of it and need to test your father but it looks like he's German.
Except for ADNTRO that is known as bad in interpretations it's not even a glitch but a misinterpretation of how GEDmatch calculators and oracles work. After you shared the GEDmatch# I stated (farther up):Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
"You look to have results like an Eastern German. That can be true or artificially, i. e. by a mixture that resembles Eastern German."
And your AncestryDNA result resembles mine pretty much:
Spoiler!
If I got it right your paternal ancestry is unknown as your father was adopted. But you seem to know for some of your mother's ancestry. How can that be described/summarized?
As for your G25 coords, are they real coords or simulated?
Kinda. I did some research with my mother and now we're know more exactly about my maternal origin: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks & distant ScandinavianQuote:
Originally Posted by Lplius
We assume that my father is mostly Bohemian German and even little part Magyar (But we're just guessing)
Cool results! Yes, very similar^^Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
Well that's what I know from my maternal side: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks and distant Scandinavian.
But paternal I can only guess and I think Bohemian German ancestry would fit him. But it's just a guess.
The G25 is simulated because I'm waiting for illustrativeDNA to accept PayPal. And I don't know where else I can get some.
At David Wesolowski = Davidski = Eurogenes, eurogenesblog@gmail.comQuote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
But he also does not accept PayPal, just a payment via Wise. So I had to open a free account there.
Really cool to get some resolution to this mystery, your AncestryDNA result certainly answers a lot of questions. If possible, could you also post your Parental Ethnicity Inheritance report. It's the one that looks like this, this one happens to be mine:Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
Spoiler!
Yes of course! Your results are interesting. Is it accurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
Here's mine
Attachment 116583
Mine happens to be very accurate. My father was of Hungarian descent, and my mother is of German descent, with some British Isles. I can see that my relative matches split to my paternal/maternal sides appropriately, which is an indication of good phasing. But the SideView technology works best the more close relations you have tested - I have my mother, uncle, two first cousins, some second cousins, etc. People with less close relations may lose some accuracy in the phasing, although this deficit could theoretically be made up if one has a high number of matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
It looks to me that your parents were likely pretty similar. Rothaer's original guess of East German is looking pretty good right now. But as you say, you have found Hungarian and Slovak ancestors so your background is a little more complicated.
Do you get assigned to any Communities?
Oh that's awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
So it becomes more precise if your family members are tested too. Well makes sense somehow because then more samples are available to the laboratory and estimate / region analysis.
Yeah the communities:
Parent 1: Southern Midwestern Settlers
West Virginia, Kentucky & Tennessee Settlers
Early Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana & East Texas Settlers
Early Upper South Settlers
Parent 2: Southeast Poland, Slovakia & Hungary
But it's strange to match US Settlers and not the European communities / regions with parent 1.
Yes, the parental inheritance (phasing) works because all your matches only match either your paternal side or your maternal side. They can then rebuild your genome with shared segments that only match one side or the other, hence parent 1 and parent 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
Hmmm, very interesting. Your parent #2 may be your mother, as that is the side you have Magyar ancestry, if I follow you correctly.
Do you personally get any communities in your own ethnicity report?
May I ask which communities you have been assigned to each parent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
Yes, it can only be the maternal side.
Unfortunately, no community or connection appeared in the ethnic report directly. How about you?
How do you conclude that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
I just read where they do describe their SideView technology and did not find anything on that. Also, I got my mother tested after I had my SideView results and to my impression nothing changed. But I did not save the earlier result, so I can not really check that.
My mother is connected with the same tree as me and with the correct individual. In the SideView the halfs are labelled paternal and maternal, but this happened when I was asked to do that manually, if I could and I so did.
Afaik uniquely 23andMe is making a parental phasing in favor of the ancestry composition.
Here are my parental "common communities":Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzhka
These are the most common communities of your closest paternal matches.
Northeastern Hungary & Eastern Slovakia
Southern Poland & Eastern Slovakia
Slovakia & Hungary
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These are the most common communities of your closest maternal matches.
Early Connecticut & New York Settlers
Munster, Ireland
New Jersey & Eastern Pennsylvania Settlers
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As far as my personal communities, I only get Cornwall, England. And I do in fact have ancestry from there, so it is correct. My mom scores it too.
Hopefully you will get communities in the future, they can be quite accurate and informative, from what I've seen.
I'll link you the paper and the specifics later, unfortunately I'm indisposed with work at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
It seems that they will only re-phase the customer database at some kind of interval (once a year?), hence much of the unassigned matches that we all have since the last phase (April? August?):
"Why are some matches unassigned?
If a match appears in this category, it could be because their test was processed after our last update or because we don't have enough information to assign them to one parent or the other. You may see updates in the future, in which case some unassigned matches may be assigned to a side."
So, maybe with the next phase/update, your mom will be incorporated. If you were in fact phased again after your mother was tested, then it could be that all of your segments were correctly split and assigned, parentally, and adding your mother changed nothing.
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*UPDATE*
Here is the full paper that describes the method behind SideView: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....487932v1.full
"IBDphase performs better when the genomic database is large, when many IBD segments are discovered in it, when a large proportion of sites overlap at least a few IBD segments, and when there are close genetic relationships to provide long IBD segments and help phase across multiple chromosomes."
I would say that there are no better close relationships than parent-child. So I can't imagine that they would discard a parent-child relationship when they have it at their disposal, to be used for phasing. Nowhere in the paper does it say parents are excluded in the process, although siblings in fact are, because they share dna with both sides of the family and can't be used. Still, it would not totally shock me if parents are not utilized, but goodness that really would be asinine if they're not.
Yes, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
And intervals, yes, SideView phases by matching segments with matches and then by overlaping such segments they put it together as hailing from one parent. All this is done without a tested parent.
True!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
Ahh, so what I mean by intervals is a speculation on my part that they will theoretically re-phase everybody in the database periodically (because many more customers are being continuously added) and the completeness and quality of the phasing should theoretically get better for all. This kind of wide-scale re-phase could occur at intervals of 6 months or 12 months, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
In a case like yours, where your genome was originally phased in the absence of your mother, at the next re-phase, and now with the inclusion of your mother (if they in fact utilize parents), your result could possibly be improved.
Okay, now I got what you meant. And indeed they can hardly re-phase every day...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G