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Can you just go with discussion about American colonists to separate thread for that? This one is created to discuss updates to Vahaduo, not for boring historical debates.
It is technical thread only. To make easier for people to find relevant references, just it.
Yes, effing Piotr keeps flooding it with irrelevant maps and shit xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I don't need it to be so long like old one:) I had already one of the longest threads on TA, it is enough really...
Otherwise I will ask Admin to delete irrelevant posts in the future.
I wish we get something like Russian_Nizhny_Novgorod one day.
Here is one Nizhny Novgorod guy's result.
https://sun9-74.userapi.com/impg/KDI...226&type=album
Ask Leto:) He curates Russki stuff:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Russki
Haha yes but I'm sort of wary of that user. Might be a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
That sample belongs to the guy "Pipa", he briefly appeared on TA last year. Too bad he deleted the kit, at least I had saved his Dodecad. But he is not entirely from N. Novgorod.
Russian samples from one region only are generally hard to find, this is what I've told Piotr multiple times. Maybe we're just mongrels "thanks" to the USSR, who the fuck knows :shrug:
You have also areas which no one think they could be so sparsely populated and yet they are located just west from Moscow, not in Komiland. I am really surprised just few people per km2 live there. Such areas should weighted according to population in oracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://i.imgur.com/IUcqLkY.png
You can actually still see the borders of Kievan Rus on a modern population density map, even though it's been 1000 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
https://i.imgur.com/sfFYpna.jpg
As far as I know most people in Siberia originate from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
https://sun9-34.userapi.com/impg/HLn...e3b&type=album
Quality of soil dictated population exodus historically speaking.
Well, for Russia only several major regions would make sense, everything else is meaningless to me. And even that is complicated (see Siberia for example - a huge and mixed region). And frankly, I personally don't like splitting hairs in republics of 2-3 million people which can be traveled from end to end in 24 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Lucas, could you update the list?
https://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancientdate.htm
https://we.tl/t-cRvoYbkZDA
bumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf
Lucas, is there any Druze data that wasn't used originally for Gedmatch? I would like to add them. I believe Aren had some but we dislike each other and he is not even active anymore.
Replace the Lithuanian (old Davidski spreadsheet) with these (credit to vbnetkhio)
Code:Lithuanian_Aukštaitija,27.95,53.51,7.85,4.17,2.19,0.37,1.18,0.33,0.67,0.79,0.39,0.28,0.32
Lithuanian_Žemaitija,28.03,55.92,7.20,3.72,0.99,0.40,1.12,0.21,0.68,0.67,0.36,0.38,0.31
updated, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf
I had to change url from .htm to .html on server so all individual pages have changed adresses. Reach them from main page simply https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
Replace Jew_Ashkenazi with this new one:
Code:Jew_Ashkenazi,16.48,8.34,18.39,10.85,36.34,5.86,0.10,0.85,1.05,0.21,0.27,0.89,0.39
Please always tell which calc... I assumed at first it was Dod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Sorry, I thought you could tell right away by the numbers. It was to replace the old Davidski average. These Jews I used were mostly with Gedcoms (Ukrainian-Polish-Lithuanian, one or two Romanian-Hungarian).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Are you really count how many component values are in sample "by eye" :)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
No, but I usually see the difference because K13 starts with North_Atlantic and K12b with Gedrosia. Europeans almost always have a single digit percent of Gedrosia. But of course you're right, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Who is responsible for maintaining the database (adding/removing samples on that website)?
I would like to contact them for a tidbit correction.
It's Lucas but you can state your opinion in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by eupator
New Latvian averages (n=15). For K12b it is mostly the same but a couple of Lithuanians mistakenly sneaked in at that time (scoring pretty much like Latvians anyway).
K12b:
K13:Code:Latvian,2.70,0.79,0,0.10,19.21,69.13,0.82,0.06,0.40,0.15,6.62,0
Code:Latvian,26.53,59.03,6.85,2.64,0.87,0.36,1.22,0.18,0.73,0.87,0.37,0.05,0.31
Please add to K12b and delete the old Romanian average.
Distance to: Romanian_North-MoldaviaCode:Romanian_North-Moldavia,5.20,1.17,0.84,0.39,25.64,40.97,0.79,0.05,4.48,0.39,20.06,0.02
Romanian_South-Moldavia,5.08,1.32,1.04,0.49,26.76,36.88,0.53,0.02,5.41,0.28,22.17,0.02
Moldovan_South,5.28,0.78,1.21,0.58,25.58,36.57,0.21,0.05,5.98,0.45,23.21,0.11
Romanian_Transylvania,5.15,0.96,0.94,0.34,27.28,36.39,0.34,0.03,5.55,0.54,22.47,0.01
Romanian_Maramures,5.10,0.95,0.57,0.38,26.85,38.59,0.54,0.01,4.89,0.50,21.58,0.03
Romanian_Crisana,4.71,0.88,1.19,0.21,26.98,38.35,0.63,0.02,4.71,0.46,21.85,0.01
Romanian_Banat,5.52,0.86,1.09,0.24,27.14,35.66,0.40,0.04,5.46,0.20,23.39,0.01
Romanian_Dobrogea,4.88,0.62,0.54,0.40,25.83,34.90,0.35,0.09,6.34,0.26,25.76,0.04
Romanian_Oltenia,5.11,0.72,0.98,0.35,27.07,34.25,0.36,0.04,6.36,0.48,24.26,0.01
Romanian_Muntenia,5.90,1.01,0.62,0.08,26.65,33.68,0.54,0.08,5.59,0.66,25.15,0.02
1.71677022 Moldovan_Central
2.09368097 Bosnian
2.94716813 Moldovan_North
3.12280323 Serb
3.35790113 Croat_South
Distance to: Romanian_South-Moldavia
2.39831191 Montenegrin
2.51720083 Serb
3.78964378 Romanian
4.00103737 Moldovan_Central
4.32016203 Moldovan_South
Distance to: Moldovan_South
2.67024343 Montenegrin
3.15234833 Romanian
3.30924463 Moldovan_South
3.69962160 Serb
3.70282325 Bulgarian_West
Distance to: Romanian_Transylvania
1.65175664 Montenegrin
2.95365875 Serb
3.18910646 Romanian
3.89507381 Moldovan_South
4.12230518 Bulgarian_West
Distance to: Romanian_Maramures
0.90000000 Serb
2.57153651 Moldovan_Central
3.73842213 Montenegrin
4.68121779 Bosnian
5.42938302 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
Distance to: Romanian_Crisana
1.21330128 Serb
2.90373897 Moldovan_Central
3.48710482 Montenegrin
5.05271214 Bosnian
5.26795976 Romanian
Distance to: Romanian_Banat
1.38787608 Montenegrin
2.16829426 Romanian
2.87616064 Moldovan_South
3.06648007 Bulgarian_West
4.01118436 Serb
Distance to: Romanian_Dobrogea
1.35613421 Bulgarian_West
1.76019885 Romanian
1.96568054 Moldovan_South
2.00681339 Pomak_Bulgaria
2.50019999 Bulgarian_Central
Distance to: Romanian_Oltenia
0.64350602 Romanian
1.41092168 Bulgarian_West
1.48327341 Moldovan_South
2.16910120 Montenegrin
3.03229286 Bulgarian_Central
Distance to: Romanian_Muntenia
1.26720164 Romanian
1.48996644 Bulgarian_West
1.64669366 Moldovan_South
2.41509834 Bulgarian_Central
2.73499543 Pomak_Bulgaria
Since I curate that spreadsheet, I would say they are too numerous. Wallachia would be enough. K12b is relatively simple, it doesn't even capture most of the subtle differences. A couple of other regions I am less familiar with could be merged as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Added, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
EditedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Don't you think they are too much detailed? 10 averages for Romania is huge. I think the number should be reduced. Since I practically oversee that spreadsheet, my opinion should not be ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
detailed Albanian averages
Code:Albanian_North_Albania,21.48,18.41,22.78,10.39,23.35,2.57,0.17,0.16,0.14,0.18,0.20,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Central_Albania,19.56,16.18,22.72,12.48,24.45,2.89,0.32,0.28,0.27,0.17,0.35,0.24,0.09
Albanian_South_Albania,21.54,15.61,21.75,10.75,25.94,2.71,0.14,0.35,0.36,0.41,0.18,0.08,0.13
Albanian_Catholic_Mirdite,24.45,9.23,23.55,14.39,23.87,3.05,0,1.18,0,0,0,0,0
Albanian_Kosovo,22.98,17.85,21.52,11.70,22.08,2.28,0.29,0.39,0.23,0.21,0.37,0.02,0.01
Albanian_Macedonia,21.49,18.34,21.19,10.16,24.08,3.02,0.10,0.49,0.29,0.30,0.52,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Montenegro,23.57,20.91,20.13,10.70,21.04,2.21,0.08,0.24,0.34,0.32,0.34,0.11,0.00
Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet
Distance to: Aodhan
7.27604288 Italian_Aosta_Valley
8.13456207 Portuguese
8.54177382 Spanish_Baleares
9.05061324 Swiss_French
9.40319095 Spanish_Canarias
9.68524651 Italian_Trentino
9.71022657 French_Northeast
9.98451301 Austrian_Tyrol
10.02768169 Spanish_Galicia
10.04466525 French_North
10.10244525 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
10.18381559 Swiss_German
10.32507688 Swiss_Italian
10.60770946 Spanish_Catalonia
10.66907681 Spanish_Valencia
10.68219079 Italian_Piedmont
11.13991023 Italian_Friuli_VG
11.33299166 Italian_Veneto
11.54655793 German_Bavaria
11.88631145 Spanish_Andalusia
12.36024676 Spanish_Cantabria
12.40704639 Italian_Lombardy
12.64968379 Spanish_Aragon
13.32186173 Belgian
13.71002918 Italian_Liguria
this one makes no sense:
Target: Aodhan
Distance: 0.9898% / 0.98984062
42.0 Dutch
28.3 Spanish_Basque
9.1 Ossetian_South
8.8 Algerian
4.2 Spanish_Aragon
2.7 Georgian_West
2.2 Tujia
0.9 Japanese
0.9 Santhal
0.7 Mandenka
0.2 Polish_Mazovia
the lack of native american in k12b makes it weird in my case, later I will try my uncles results cause he only scores around ~3 of native american
Target: Aodhan
Distance: 2.2527% / 2.25268494 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.2 Portuguese
29.1 French_North
21.9 Italian_Aosta_Valley
6.0 Pamiri_Wakhan
2.7 Tujia
0.9 Mandenka
0.2 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
Target: Aodhan
Distance: 2.6791% / 2.67914110 | ADC: 0.5x RC
34.2 French_North
30.8 Spanish_Canarias
27.5 Italian_Aosta_Valley
3.7 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
2.4 Uyghur_Xinjiang
1.4 Pamiri_Wakhan
no col distance is really interesting
Distance to: Aodhans_uncle
5.07482019 Italian_Piedmont
6.25225559 Italian_Veneto
6.57741591 Italian_Friuli_VG
6.98730993 Italian_Liguria
7.06464436 Italian_Lombardy
7.13458566 Swiss_Italian
7.13697415 Italian_Trentino
7.72527022 Italian_Emilia
7.92060604 Italian_Aosta_Valley
8.11736410 Spanish_Canarias
8.53802670 Portuguese
9.02364671 Italian_Tuscany
9.18947768 Spanish_Baleares
10.88931127 Italian_Romagna
10.94112426 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
11.39172068 Austrian_Tyrol
11.76033163 Spanish_Valencia
11.85011392 Swiss_French
12.17256752 Macedonian_Vardar
12.21192859 French_Corsica
12.37431210 Spanish_Galicia
12.41302542 Italian_Umbria
12.48070110 Spanish_Catalonia
12.69596786 Macedonian_South
12.84561404 Macedonian_East
Target: Aodhans_uncle
Distance: 0.0283% / 0.02827313
14.1 Spanish_Andalusia
6.6 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
5.2 Greek_Fournoi
4.4 Spanish_Baleares
3.3 Italian_Abruzzo
3.2 French_Corsica
3.2 Norwegian
3.0 Italian_Romagna
3.0 Sardinian
2.5 Swiss_German
2.4 Italian_Lazio
2.4 Moldovan_South
2.4 Morocco_Jew
2.3 Algerian
2.2 Scottish
2.1 French_Northeast
2.0 English_North
2.0 Portuguese
2.0 Spanish_Basque
1.9 Italian_Friuli_VG
1.7 Spanish_La_Rioja
1.6 Swedish
1.5 Spanish_Valencia
1.3 Italian_Liguria
1.2 Greek_Cypriot
1.1 Italian_Piedmont
1.0 Hungarian_North
1.0 Italian_Lombardy
0.9 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
0.9 Yoruba
0.8 French_Southwest
0.8 Greek_Thessaly
0.8 Icelandic
0.7 Greek_Kos
0.6 Korean
0.6 Macedonian_East
0.6 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
0.6 Pomak_Bulgaria
0.5 Albanian
0.5 Assyrian_North
0.5 Austrian_Tyrol
0.5 Belorussian
0.5 Bulgarian_Thrace
0.5 German_Northwest
0.5 Italian_Trentino
0.5 Miaozu
0.5 Pomak_Greece
0.4 Czech
0.4 Han_Guangdong
0.4 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
0.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.4 Moldovan_Jewish
0.4 Naga
0.4 Romanian_Crisana
0.4 Sephardic_Jew
0.3 Dungan
0.3 Greek_Icaria
0.3 Kuwait2
0.3 Manchu_Liaoning
0.3 Russian_Tver
0.2 Belgian
0.2 Croat_South
0.2 German
0.2 Karelian
0.2 Macedonian_South
0.2 Moldovan_Central
0.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.2 Ukrainian
0.1 Cambodian
0.1 Dai
0.1 Dargin_Kaitag
0.1 Italian_Umbria
0.1 Japanese
0.1 Karachay
0.1 Kurd_Sorani
0.1 Naxi
0.1 Sorb_Lusatia
0.1 Turk_East
0.1 Turk_West_Black_Sea
0.1 Uyghur_Xinjiang
0.1 Zhuang
Target: Aodhans_uncle
Distance: 0.5759% / 0.57587549 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.8 Italian_Piedmont
30.9 Spanish_Canarias
25.6 Italian_Friuli_VG
2.6 Uyghur_Xinjiang
1.1 She
0.7 Tujia
0.5 Mandenka
0.5 Tatar_Lipka
0.3 Burmese
Target: Aodhans_uncle
Distance: 0.9936% / 0.99364215 | ADC: 0.5x RC
61.1 Italian_Piedmont
29.7 Spanish_Canarias
6.7 Tatar_Lipka
2.5 Burmese
At any rate, the old Moldovan_South should be deleted (the one coming after Moldovan_North.
Yes, K12b is only for Old World people, Latinos can use World9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aodhan
Wow, North Albanian Catholics have much lower Baltic than other Albos, they are fully practically Italian like. Are they purest Albanians/ancient Balkanites?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
incredible...they look like preserved Paleo Balkanic fossils.... :o this would prove my theory pre Slavic romanized west Balkanites were central Italian like...
Distance to: Albanian_Catholic_North_Albania
3.63917573 Italian_Lazio
3.74977333 Italian_Marche
4.10082918 Italian_Umbria
5.17549998 Italian_Romagna
5.50610570 Greek_Western_Thrace
6.82568678 Italian_Tuscany
7.14372452 Italian_Abruzzo
7.51382725 Italian_Basilicata
7.70085710 Italian_Molise
8.22253002 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.27516767 Italian_Apulia
8.33086430 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
8.84068436 Greek_Athens
8.91531828 Greek_Cyclades
8.94280717 Italian_Emilia
9.04000553 Albanian_Tosk
9.25234024 Greek_Central
9.33296845 Italian_Sicily
9.39639292 French_Corsica
9.54388810 Greek_Andros
9.57077975 Greek_Thessaly
9.58834709 Albanian
9.65135742 Greek_Peloponnese
9.80386148 Greek_Western
9.92139607 Torbesh
Target: Albanian_Catholic_North_Albania
Distance: 1.5004% / 1.50039200 | R2P
92.8 Italian_Lazio
7.2 Ossetian
those are the results of the user Illyrius. more results are needed to be sure, but even if this is the lowest Baltic for this group, that would mean they are like Peloponnesians on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Still very useful, yeah. Northern Albania is very remote and isolated, and tribal. Them being Catholic could prevent even minimal mixing/bride taking from orthodox and muslim Balkanites in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Very interesting.
my thoughts too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
the only similar non-Italian result I found is this Greek,he seems Peloponnesian according to his surname. Even there he's almost an outlier.
Greek,25.5,9.92,22.49,13.2,22.79,3.73,0,0.28,0,1.0 8,0,1.02,0
Some groups like Tsakonians and Maniots can have low Baltic like this, but they usually have more East Med/Islander shift.
I guess he's an atypical member of one of those groups.
There are/were more Albanians of non-Muslim background on TA.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Kelmendasi(Albanian),18.38,20.62,24.43,8.43,24.38, 3.54,0,0.09,0,0,0.15,0,0
Roman Catholic background.