I asked you for credible evidence of your claims (Illyrians had lot of E-V13) and you have none. You were wrong. Now move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
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I asked you for credible evidence of your claims (Illyrians had lot of E-V13) and you have none. You were wrong. Now move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
Are you Abubu? Same style. Anybody heard you speak Russian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Russki
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Russki
I didnt say they had a lot of ev13. Maybe they didnt. But none can say they didnt have any when my clade shows clear proof it was Illyrian for 8000 years. Not Thracian, not Roman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Yes, me. Pure Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
He does not live in imagined fairytale like you.
You're nothing but a bunch of trolls. This thread is ruined , I could of ignored you and spared this thread but I like to prove people wrong :D Basically people who have complexes because there lived different populations in Croatia before your peoples arrival. Your complexes are not my problem but go take it out somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixie
There is one pre-Slavic (but post IA iirc) Croatian with E-V13 and genetic profile that fits to Illyrians to my knowledge, but it left a clade with no Balkan descendants. I know for no others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
we have tons of IA samples from Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, some from Montenegro as well as Messapian tribes in Italy and they bore no E-V13 apart from that single sample with dead end clade.
Make of it what you will. If more sample are found with E-V13 one can change their opinion but so far nothing indicates it was an Illyrian marker.
@Loki
Just look at some of the posts:
Here she makes claims nobody said:
So it is a Roman sample as even the date of the name says AD 571. Claims we are making false impression. Even the date of the sample has been added which I bolded , weather you think it is an Illyrian or not is irrelevant , as if there were no Illyrians during Roman period, but take it to another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Above here she calls me an 'Uncompotent Albo troll' and claims things I never said. 'Sisak' sample is from the Roman period , even the date has been added once again to the name of the sample. She claims it is not like Iron Age Albania but it actually clusters just east of them. Weather you think it is an Illyrian or not is irrelevant, take it to another thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixie
Now look at that other person here , claims this calculator is a joke ^ yet does not really specify why
These are some posts they made in this thread. Basically posts that are totally out of context and false accusations.
The Iberian branch of Illyrians and Hellenes (R1b) mixed with the native lineages of the J2 and E-V13 and formed the Illyrians and Hellenes. The Iberian branch spoke a non IE language similar to basque.
The native branch J2 of Illyrians split form the Minoan Greeks in 1450 BC when the Achaeans migrated south and founded the Mycenaean Civilisation.
The primary Iberian marker of the Hellenes ancestors only appears in 1/3 of the population of Classical Greece. The majority of the people were already there before the Iberians who formed the Hellenic invaders of 2200 BC migrated to the Balkans. By the time the Dorians moved south these Iberians were already diluted by a 2/3 Helladic mix and were already speaking Greek.
Illyrian is also a Hybrid of the language of the Enchelenes and the indigenous Italo-Celtic language since the Enhelenes colonised Illyria in 1400 BC.
When the Mycenaean Civilisation was at its height the Celts were Italics was one tribe which derive from an R1b DNA linage that migrated out of Iberia. The language of this linage was Basque. It was their contact with the Greeks that the Celto-Italics changed their language. This is a historical fact recorded by the Romans who claimed Greek decent.
The Tribes of Europe at the time of Ancient Greece and Rome are as follows (based on the founding fathers DNA evidence):
Unmixed Tribes:
Celts - R1b linage (includes all Spaniards, Gauls and Celt's) Slavs - R1a linage (includes all Hungarians, Serbs and Bulgarians) Germanics - I linage Finns - N linage
Mixed Tribes:
Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Lydians, Phrygians and Carians
Putting Iron Age Illyrians and late Antiquity Romans with very different genetics under same label is either deliberate manipulation or just being stupid.
I would say Rizza case is both but more leaning to second.
They need to be clearly separated to see how much you score of one and of other.
Wtf i never read so much nonsense in all those forum years.Quote:
Originally Posted by wvwvw
But just to avoid confusion for newbies, Illiyrian J2b2a1 have nothing tō do with mķnoan J2a.They (J2a* and J2b*) separate what, 28.000 years ago in the caucasus region, among pre históric CHG, maybe even before CHG as we know came tō form.
But they were similar. If we are more similar to a Roman sample than an Illyrian that works against your argument that we have eastern influence. I dont get your point. Were Illyrians more eastern than Romans or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Both Romans and Illyrians had a north to south cline as we do today.
I meant the Iberian branch of Illyrians R1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
By 5000 years ago the Hittite-Palasgian-Hellenes who lived in Macedonia spilt into two groups, the Illyrians and the Xuthian-Aeolian-Dorians. By 2200 BC these Xuthian-Aeolian-Dorians migrated into southern Greece in trickles and by 1450 BC conquered the Minoans.
The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi.
The Archaeological and historical evidence suggests that the Doric-Arcado-Cypriot-Ionians were the original Pelasgains and came to Greece in about 2200 BC. These Pelasgains were descended from the same common ancestors as the Thracians, Cretans and Rhodians in about 2700 BC who together shared the same ancestor with the Illyrians in about 3200 BC and
even further back come the Lydian's and Carains.
The Dorains split from the Pelasgains in 1700 BC and settled in Macedonia and Thessaly and in 1500 BC the Mycenaean's entered the Peloponnese and split from the Proto-Ionians who remained in Atttica.
Are you kidding or what ? These are my results with only Iron Age Croatia and Iron Age Albania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russki
Target: Rizza
Distance: 1.4845% / 0.01484485
62.8 ALB_Cinamak_Anc
22.8 HRV_EIA
14.0 Migration_Period
0.4 HRV_IA
Samples I used here:
Spoiler!
Even if I add Macedonia Iron Age and Montenegro which were inhabited by Illyrians together with these. Albanians usually score that too before Bulgaria.
Iron Age samples from Croatia in the OP were also added and Iron Age Albania. Those other samples are definitely not Roman soldiers but locals most likely as they cluster like Balkan people more or less , next to Iron Age Albania which I showed on the PCA Map, Sisak clusters just south of me.
Though I don't understand what has that anything to do with the thread ? Nobody even specified such things in the first place.
You're just some insecure nutcases who are making false accusations.
Illyrians were similar to Italics, but notably more NW than Imperial Romans which were diverse but mainly Greek-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
they weren't similar. Sisak and novo selo samples are nothing like IA Illyrians from same country.
There are Illyrian like post-IA samples from Croatia but these 2 were not those.
Illyrians from same area were like this and not even remotely close to Greeks:
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5729
0.01916320 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01949346 Italian_Veneto
0.02299119 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02328272 French_Provence
0.02364239 Italian_Northeast
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5728
0.02660396 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02788815 Spanish_Menorca
0.02908803 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02947233 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02985401 Italian_Lombardy
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5726
0.03133777 Spanish_Baleares
0.03164819 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03273003 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03308302 Spanish_Girona
0.03336950 Spanish_Castello
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5725
0.02135420 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02293093 Spanish_Penedes
0.02304082 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02415175 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02426090 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5724
0.02743270 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02803796 Italian_Veneto
0.03205745 Italian_Bergamo
0.03359404 Italian_Northeast
0.03369127 Spanish_Mallorca
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I5723
0.02206328 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02225406 Italian_Bergamo
0.02403735 Italian_Veneto
0.02621592 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02683446 Spanish_Baleares
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_IA:I3313
0.02400696 Italian_Lombardy
0.02684022 Italian_Bergamo
0.03098048 Italian_Piedmont
0.03132283 Italian_Veneto
0.03232243 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I26742
0.01971362 Italian_Bergamo
0.02074188 Italian_Veneto
0.02251567 Italian_Piedmont
0.02295622 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02423634 French_Corsica
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I24882
0.02496761 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02497335 Italian_Veneto
0.02635536 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02756537 French_Provence
0.02769401 Italian_Northeast
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I24879
0.02895674 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02958585 Swiss_French
0.03275488 French_Provence
0.03448691 Italian_Northeast
0.03632307 Italian_Veneto
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I24639
0.02329727 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02473615 Italian_Veneto
0.02592845 Italian_Northeast
0.02700281 Italian_Bergamo
0.02747467 Italian_Lombardy
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I24638
0.02507400 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02620934 Spanish_Girona
0.02626161 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02628569 Spanish_Penedes
0.02633317 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I23996
0.02916613 Italian_Bergamo
0.03000246 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03125888 Italian_Lombardy
0.03313542 Italian_Veneto
0.03517805 Spanish_Menorca
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I23995
0.02057799 Italian_Veneto
0.02180827 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02479018 Italian_Bergamo
0.02520178 Italian_Northeast
0.02716413 Spanish_Mallorca
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_EIA:I23911
0.02147853 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02239344 Spanish_Menorca
0.02311794 Spanish_Baleares
0.02324265 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02379884 Italian_Bergamo
Distance to: Illyrians:I23904
0.02502255 Italian_Veneto
0.02670273 Swiss_Italian
0.02680831 Italian_Bergamo
0.02734474 Italian_Piedmont
0.02818026 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
Distance to: Illyrians:HRV_LIA_La_Tene:I26735
0.02105956 Italian_Veneto
0.02174158 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02326262 Italian_Northeast
0.02606621 Swiss_French
0.02612681 Italian_Aosta_Valley
Can you put any Illyrian, Thracian, Etruscan, Mycenean samples together with modern populationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rizza
Very homogenous genetic profile which is SW European like and ranges from North Italian to Iberian and southern French/Alpine French.
thus later Greek like samples from Croatia are clear foreigners that came as Roman soldiers.
Many are mix of Illyrians and these foreigners too and some even look Thracian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Nobody ever said those samples are Illyrians. What on earth are you even talking about ? They might or they might not be. Genetics can change. The sample clearly states Roman and even has the time frame. So what are you on about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
I use all these samples in my Croat-specific model and it clearly shows how much of my pre-Slavic is Illyrian and how much is later Roman colonist origin.
for e g. here is post Iron Age Croatian from 4th century AD which is clearly Illyrian because it has same genetics as IA ones.
Distance to: Illyrians:SIMULATED_Croatia_Scitarjevo:R3659___AD_ 313___Coverage_44.68%
0.01619741 Italian_Veneto
0.01714874 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01857600 Italian_Northeast
0.01885922 Italian_Piedmont
0.02022705 Italian_Bergamo
I will do when I am finished debunking these trolls :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wvwvw
there are more:
Distance to: Illyrians:R3745___AD_72___Coverage_58.46%
0.03311527 Italian_Bergamo
0.03334920 Italian_Lombardy
0.03562911 Italian_Liguria
0.03777774 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03792410 Italian_Veneto
Distance to: Illyrians:R3747___AD_177___Coverage_65.64%
0.02103329 Italian_Tuscany
0.02151787 Italian_Piedmont
0.02414847 French_Corsica
0.02559196 Italian_Marche
0.02590371 Italian_Lombardy
Distance to: Illyrians:R3664___AD_751___Coverage_56.39%
0.03263320 Italian_Northeast
0.03321657 Swiss_Italian
0.03391280 Italian_Veneto
0.03721430 French_Provence
0.03754269 Italian_Aosta_Valley
Distance to: Illyrians:R3663___AD_781___Coverage_41.88%
0.03001273 Italian_Liguria
0.03090423 Italian_Lombardy
0.03266309 Italian_Piedmont
0.03480011 Greek_Thessaly
0.03608626 Italian_Tuscany
Distance to: Illyrians:R3655___AD_220___Coverage_45.18%
0.02711496 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03053671 Italian_Bergamo
0.03091106 Italian_Liguria
0.03170227 Italian_Lombardy
0.03229399 Italian_Veneto
Distance to: Illyrians:R3745___AD_72___Coverage_58.46%
0.03218012 Italian_Bergamo
0.03265234 Italian_Lombardy
0.03476157 Italian_Liguria
0.03656261 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03658866 Italian_Veneto
etc...
while some others are clearly not native, like these:
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine::R3742___AD_177___Coverage_46.74%
0.02998833 Greek_Cappadocia
0.03248079 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.03562718 Greek_Crete
0.03683034 Greek_Kos
0.03706302 Greek_Dodecanese
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine::R3685___AD_500___Coverage_56.14%
0.02168062 Greek_Izmir
0.02213718 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02353660 Italian_Molise
0.02368313 Italian_Umbria
0.02402766 Italian_Abruzzo
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine:Croatia:R3665___AD_171___Coverage_38.20%
0.02780861 Greek_Kos
0.03461354 Greek_Dodecanese
0.03751434 Greek_Crete
0.03819170 Italian_Calabria
0.03822130 Greek_Deep_Mani
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine:Croatia_Trogir_Policija:R3670___AD_168__ _Coverage_35.99%
0.03992722 Cypriot
0.04106413 Greek_Kos
0.04438736 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04495001 Greek_Dodecanese
0.04703139 Romaniote_Jew
etc.
And yes, Sisak and Novo selo samples are included as Eastern Roman-Byzantine in my model for Croats. They ain't Illyrian.
As I said north to south cline as we do today. All of us, Romans, Illyrians, Italians, Albanians. The south influence was stronger on Romans because of isolation, Alps were a barrier. That's why we central and South Illyrians are more similar to them. And if we take history into account their NW source (Illyrians) was from celts. But combined with the southern source makes it iberian like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Even you did a calculation with ancient samples that showed we were closer to celts, then germanics then slavs. Which confirms history as well.
Both the Illyrians and the Hellenes were similar to Iberians and had the same R1 lineage as other Italo-Celts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
But that lineage had been mixing with the native Helladic populations of Balkans and Greece for 3000 years, a people who spoke a Greco-Hittite a language similar to proto-Greek.
The Italo-Celts of Italy did not mix with the Greco-Hittite populations of Balkans and Greece. It is after this mix that the Iberian Italo-Celts become proto-Greeks. In classical times, only 1/3 of Ancient Greeks were Iberian-like.
And similarily the Italo-Celts become Illyrians after they get colonized by Cadmus and the Enhellenes. Before that there was no mention of Illyrians before their eponymous founder Ilyrus.
not the same cline and closest pops clearly show it. Illyrians were SW Euro like. you are SE Euro like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
Acient Greeks were very southern people genetically and not similar to all to Italics nor Illyrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by wvwvw
Those people were not yet Illyrians. They were unmixed Italo-CeltsQuote:
Illyrians from same area were like this and not even remotely close to Greeks:
Mixed Italo-Celts = Illyrians of historical times.
Were Romans SE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Indeed. And pre-Slavic ancestry of modern Albanians is pretty much North-Italian like and these Illyrians carry the same Y-DNA as Albanians. Illyrian Samples from Albania and Macedonia on average are more south and as I showed in the other PCA Map some of them even cluster more south than me. Some Illyrians could of also mixed. You add all Iron Age Balkan samples together from Macedonia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Croatia, Albania. Albanians alwyas score more Illyrian. So what is your point exactly ? Why are you hung up on some Sisak sample who is most likely a native Balkan sample and clusters just east to Iron Age Illyrians from Albania and south of me ? No Roman I have seen cluster like that nor Near Eastern people but it's not even relevant to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Let's run some of these Iron Age Illyrian averages from Croatia btw, you basically just cherry picked the samples because many of these Illyrians also cluster all over the place including French and it is likely such profiles changed over the course as we can see later becoming more south as there were already samples that were south, we also have Bronze Age samples that are more south
Some more Illyrians from Croatia:
Distance to: HRV_EIA:I23904
0.02502255 Italian_Veneto
0.02670273 Swiss_Italian
0.02680831 Italian_Bergamo
0.02734474 Italian_Piedmont
0.02818026 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02896575 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.02942175 Albanian_Montenegro
0.02986283 Rizza-Albanian
0.02986820 Albanian_Mirditė
0.03010642 Albanian_Tropojė-Gjakovė
0.03034878 Italian_Northeast
0.03054387 Italian_Lombardy
0.03135949 Albanian_Kosovo
0.03267342 Italian_Tuscany
0.03300529 Albanian_Pukė
0.03382955 Italian_Liguria
0.03409224 Albanian_Korēė
0.03437561 French_Provence
0.03437888 Albanian_Labėria
0.03445712 Spanish_Baleares
0.03448954 French_Corsica
0.03460066 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.03477322 Greek_Thessaly
0.03537972 Albanian_Himarė
0.03545728 Albanian_Dibra
Distance to: HRV_IA:I3313
0.02400696 Italian_Lombardy
0.02684022 Italian_Bergamo
0.03098048 Italian_Piedmont
0.03132283 Italian_Veneto
0.03232243 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03503135 Italian_Liguria
0.03518854 Rizza-Albanian
0.03523518 Swiss_Italian
0.03570296 French_Corsica
0.03623112 Italian_Tuscany
0.03632296 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.03688984 Albanian_Tropojė-Gjakovė
0.03753591 Albanian_Montenegro
0.03842617 Greek_Thessaly
0.03893473 Italian_Northeast
0.03915370 Albanian_Kosovo
0.03946408 Albanian_Mirditė
0.04091600 Albanian_Himarė
0.04115928 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.04127979 Albanian_Pukė
0.04141894 Albanian_Labėria
0.04160303 Albanian_Korēė
0.04186317 Italian_Marche
0.04203788 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04216678 Spanish_Baleares
Where is Croatia here ? :lol:
Congratulations. You ruined another thread with your insecurities , it is mind blowing how you are not banned yet.
Nope, they were not all like that, many samples are southern and cluster just west of Albanians pretty much, some even south of me. Just a slight East shift that has occurred which happened to many Balkan people including Greeks, either minor imperial admixture or Slavic possibly.. Other than that Albanians are pretty much 80%-90% identical to some of these samples. Carry 30%-40% of modern Albanian Y-DNA so far which is completelty non existant among your people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Thracians cluster nowhere near Albanians and are even more south than the southern most Albanians. And Albanian is native to the Balkans most definitely.
Most ethnicities have changed a bit since the Iron Age so it is no shock.
Greeks derive their ancestry from the indigenous J2 lineage as well from the first farmers that arrived to Greece 10,000 ago, and also by the Iberian lineage R1b which arrived to the Balkans 5000 years ago. The combination of all those lineages made up the Ancient Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
The population of Europe consists of 10 separate DNA lineages. All of these linage lived separately and never mixed until historical times.
Greece and the Balkans were the only places that were of three mixed lineages J2; EV-13; and R1b.
We know that the R1b lineage did not speak Indo-European but a Basque-like language. The Iberian branch of Hellenes, Illyrians and Italo-Celts that arrived to the Balkans 5000 years ago belonged to the R1b lineage and Indo-Europanised its language after it came in contact with the alredy indigenous J2 and Ev13 lineages.
The Indo-European language developed from Ursula and its husband J2 dna lineage. Bronze age Greeks were of all those three lineages and the same goes for Illyrians.
Before the arrival of the ”Indo-Europeans” who ironically spoke a non-Indo-European language, there was spoken a common language throughout Greece, Balkans and Anatolia, very similar to proto-Greek, the language of Ursula.
Dont know whats going on but here are my results ;)
Distance to: VangosH_scaled
0.03531626 Albania_IA_Rom:ALB_Mdv
0.03602333 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:Croatia_Sisak_Pogorelec:R2041___AD_303___Co verage_50.40%
0.04683678 Albania_IA_Rom:ALB_Cinamak_Anc
0.04727646 HRV/MNE_IA_Rom:MNE_LBA
0.05321666 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:HRV_EIA
0.09511405 Migration_Period:TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
Target: VangosH_scaled
Distance: 2.8931% / 0.02893101 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.2 Albania_IA_Rom
19.4 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom
15.4 Migration_Period
East shift has occured in All Balkan Populations even medieval and some post medieval samples in Albania cluster like Italics, some cluster more east but of course you love to take things out of context and are clearly clueless about the whole picture or where these samples actually land, in Albanians on average east shift has occurred much less compred to Romanians, Aromanians, etc. this is like saying modern Greeks are not Ancient Greeks because of some change. Most populations cannot claim to be unchanged since the Iron Age. Here I added some Illyrians from Albania and Macedonia to the PCA Map, some cluster right next to Albanian averages and even more south red and green are samples from Albania and Macedonia.
https://i.postimg.cc/nLzB35Vx/dddddd.jpg
Illyrians were Bronze Age people too actually. Formed already in the Bronze Age. One Cetina sample in Croatia clusters like an Albanian. Also it's not like many Iberians or Italians are that far away from Albanians actually. These samples have nothing to do with Italians or Iberians some of them clustering there is pure coincidence, mostly result of WHG + Neolithic + Steppe in different % , Albanians carry these type of genes, I get modelled as North Italian by many calculators + Greek etc. The only troll is you basically. We don't have to use Roman samples here, we come out mostly Illyrian regardless of how you put it . But if you are gonna use samples from Bulgaria add also samples from Macedonia which was inhabited by Illyrians and Ancient Greeks and which many have similar profiles to Iron Age Albania.
Anyway, you are getting really boring, it's time for me to go. You're just a person who is butthurt Albanians came from this population. Nothing else really and you pretty much ruined a thread.
Here I also added Medieval and Post medieval samples from Albania , some of these samples pretty much touch Iron Age Illyrian cluster and North Macedonia Iron Age cluster
https://i.postimg.cc/t4TMLFbH/Bilde-...-190634876.png
This ''nixie'' person keeps spamming me with neg reps btw, and claims I have been ''taught'' something. Only people who have been taught is pretty much you.
I don't know why these trolls are allowed to roam this forum freely like this ?
But I love an argument and to put people right in their place but I'm not gonna waste my time :D
Imperial Romans yes, very woggy like island or Anatolian Greeks or ocassionaly Levantines even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
they are partial reason of eastern shift in Italians and likely Balkanites as well (+ later Slavic)
Southern plotting doesnt mean voggy looking. They were light to the point NW Europeans tried to claim them. That's why the source of southerness needs to be identified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
He made the names so that samples automatically get added together, I changed them a bit
Target: Rizza
Distance: 0.8051% / 0.00805085
36.8 Albania_IA_Rom
30.8 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom_Croatia_Sisak_Pogorelec
18.4 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom_HRV_EIA
14.0 Migration_Period
On that PCA MAP I made some Illyrians are not shown because they are very south yet this Feiichy person claims they are all identical, cherrypicks samples that get Spanish etc
Its pretty much agreed by every serious linguist that Albanian is Illyrian and related to Messapic, this was also argued in a new Dutch study, and that proto Albanian and proto Messapic came to the Balkans before Thracian
Post I got from AnthrogenicaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruzmi