I believe my haplogroup was common among Pyrennaic people during the iron age
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I believe my haplogroup was common among Pyrennaic people during the iron age
Although I have a Baltic/Uralic haplogroup (N1c), the majority of people with my subclade are Polish. My subclade developed after a migration from the Baltic region to what is now Poland, probably over 1,500 years ago.
Ended up being carried by a Hungarian man born in what is now Western Ukraine -- my great-grandfather.
https://i.imgur.com/ew3tl7J.png
No, R1b-PF7562 and R1b-Z2103 are not descended from R1b-L51, as even your map shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Try these tools, it seems your haplogroup emerged somewhere near Belgium in the Bronze Age:Quote:
Originally Posted by leachim_x
https://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html
https://phylogeographer.com/snp-lookup/
https://hras.yseq.net/hras.php?dna_t...ha&hg=R-S14328
J-L283. From Illyrians. Specifically J-PH4679 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH4679/
Atlantean
https://i.imgur.com/zyAif9r.png
Shipwreck??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Capsian>Berber>Punic.
I'm "J-FGC54172" on FTDNA, but on YFull i got a more recent clade named "J-Y281021" (2700 ybp, TMRCA 1000 ybp), which also includes another kit, but unfortunately it doesn't specify the area it comes from. I generally think that, like many other subclades under J-L70, my line originated during the iron age somewhere in Greece/Aegean, Anatolia or the Levant, and later reached Southern Italy through maritime routes and/or the Greek colonies and Phoenicians. Then, until the formation of the more recent medieval subclade, it likely expanded during the Roman Imperial period, and possibly continued to consolidate into the Byzantine era.
https://i.postimg.cc/Vz9H77rB/Screen...J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/k7Nhjj6w/Screen...J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/rwgjqP58/Screen...J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/y7hrffgD/Screen...g-and-SNPs.png
https://i.postimg.cc/d3rDJ3Nd/Screen...Mygrations.png
Y-DNA is bullshit lies. No differentiating genes on it, just some generic stuff. Ethnicity-wise it's irrelevant outside of the sphere of anthrofora. It doesn't code for shit. It's a fucking ancestral mutation that got passed on from a male ancestor somewhere, at some point, and that's it.
Stupid as shit commercial hype. fuck that shit.
Many E-V13 clades have nothing to do with Albanians at all. They have entered Albanians and from there they entered Greeks, South Slavs etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortimer
Some clades I picked which I believe have nothing to do with actual Albanians at all:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y93395/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY169463/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT185662/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT39742/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y172393/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y84850/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y84924/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y592773/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-S10743/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y227848/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT27670/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y160670/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y7168/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y231989/
E-V13 in general has nothing to do with actual Albanians. It has entered Albanians and from there entered other people. The Berisha-Sopi E-V13 in the north and Kosovo is nothing but a founder effect. They came from one single guy that lived only 600 years ago. Could of been any lineage. The early history of the Albanian language does not fit that of a people that were E-V13. Only clades which have in group diversity compareable to J-L283 and R1b clades can be proto-Albanian.
No. this one is more accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke35
https://i.imgur.com/dG0cn7G.png
Exactly. Seems like R1b had problems with R1a at the north, so our good I1 and I2 boys had to come over and save their women, but I1 decided to overuse their stay and remained there forever :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
says who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Lechitic Balto-Slavic Pomeranian cluster here
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Today, haplogroup E-V13 has the highest density in the world in Albanian lands. The highest percentage is found in Kosovo, Malėsi, Labėri, Tirana/Durrės. Most of the main branches, such as: E-BY4459, E-Y146085, E-PH2180, etc., have begun to spread since the period of Albanian ethnogenesis, in late antiquity and the early Middle Ages.
So basically the oldest clades which have the highest in group diversity entered Albanians sometime in Late Antiquity or earlier possibly , they follow the same pattern as J-L283 clades and R1b such as R-Z2705, J-PH4679, R-Z29758. Lineages such as J-PH4679 and R-Z29758 have branches that go back 3000-4000 years, have in group diversity and represent the linguistic ancestor and oldest layer of Albanian. Even the oldest E-V13 clades entered way later and followed them way later.Quote:
At the branch level, there are quite large differences in the current distribution in Albanian lands. A large number of branches of E-V13 can be found in different regions, which suggests a presence in the Arbėr/Albanian population since the period of ethnogenesis. Among these are E-Y173822, E-Y146085, E-BY4459, E-PH2180, E-FT17132, E-Y159601, etc. The current diversity suggests that most of these lineages must have spread from the northeast about 1400-1800 years ago.
https://rrenjet.com/e-v13/
Many other E-V13 clades and other J-L283 and R1b clades which are more geographically restricted could have simply lost their diversity and never managed to expand properly again after population bottlenecks.
Berisha-Sopi E-V13 is a founder effect, makes up one of the largest % today in the North and in Kosovo and expanded only 600 years ago where its mostly found there. Most likely scenario for such a clade is that it existed prior to its expansion in Albanians and was geographically restricted but never managed to expand again after a population bottleneck until the Late Medieval Period or the other scenario is that it simply did not enter Albanians until the Late Medieval period. There are clades and branches that are way older than this one and have older TMRCA and never even expanded as much and that are J-L283, R1b or even other E-V13 clades. It just just shows how haplogroups are also founder effects, bottlenecks. Regardless E-V13 in Albanians is a later addition compared to J-L283, R1b, I-P78 which represent the oldest layer of Albanian. E-V13 also spread to West Europe, Iberia, Italy etc during Roman Empire. As did J-L283 but J-L283 had already been spreading with Illyrians and Cetina culture since the Bronze Age.
E-V13 origin:
https://rrenjet.com/wp-content/uploa.../09/Slide1.png
https://rrenjet.com/wp-content/uploa...9/Panonia1.png