All Balkan Turks, even Macedonian Turks, have medieval Turkic input and theyre not 100% same as Bulgarians or other Eastern South Slavs. More importantly, they have their own history, food, culture, and language, and they and their ancestors have identified as Turks. Civic identity is different from ethnic identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by reboun
Before genealogical DNA tests, there has been a rhetoric in Turkey which says ”we are all Turkish citizens and we all came from many different lands and settled in Anatolia, mixed with each other and eventually modern Turkish ethnicity has been formed”. Such rhetoric was just an assumption and people who claim that would not guess their discourse might one day be proven wrong. Genealogical DNA tests disproved their claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
Instead of writing false scenarios, the following should have been said. ”There are lots of people with different ethnic backgrounds in Turkey and we shall not do any ethnic segregation between our compatriots.”
It is not a rhetoric, it is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narration
You are relatively recent immigrant to Turkey from 1960s.Quote:
Originally Posted by reboun
100 years ago none of your ancestors were in Turkey.
Da li se u tvojoj kući i dalje govori srpski/bosanski?
I shall re-think this part on my own choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repent
No, my parents did not teach me. They also can speak a little Bosnian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
DNA tests did not disprove it. I can find a lot of Turks who are genetically closest to other ethnicities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narration
Ethnicity is a social construct and is self-declared.Quote:
Originally Posted by reboun
Genealogy testing is a scientific tool that can help you find out what the people you match the most from a biological standpoint have declared as their ethnicity.
The two won't necessarily match.
Case A : Mixed people / mixed ethnic groups (you qualify here). A more in depth analysis is necessary to isolate the different gene pools that make up your ancestry.
Case B : Unmixed regional groups
Case C : Displaced populations (you qualify here too)
We need to differentiate between Turkophonic people and people with Turkic ancestry. Most of the "Turk" population in Kosovo consists of Turkophonic people who, after 1912, chose an Ottoman identification rather than an Albanian one. Most Turks in Kosovo have Albanian tribal surnames that were simply Turkified.
Examples include Thaqi to Taç, Bytyqi to Bütüç, Mazreku to Mazrek, and Krasniqi to Krasniç. For example, among members of KDTP, the biggest Turkish political party in Kosovo, about 90 percent of their members are Albanians who have used Turkish orthography to write their names. I have seen two Prizren "Turk" DNA tests, and both showed 0 percent Turkic ancestry.
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Secondly, I do not know about Bosniaks in Turkey, but Albanians, from what I have seen, are very proud of being both Albanian and Turkish. You will see the Albanian flag or eagle everywhere inside their communities. I have distant family members in Turkey, and they speak Albanian. Not all of them, but most do.
I don't understand why the OP rejects their ethnic origin and pretends to be something they're not. I imagine it's out of a desire to fit in with the people around them.
In my case, there's a similar situation on a smaller scale. My parents were born on the other side of the country, in a different region, and emigrated to where I am now during the 90s. I never felt the need to reject my ethnic origin and pretend to be something else, even though I was born here. I identify more with my parents' ancestral origins.
I prefer authenticity or truth to social conformity, which is often just something very superficial and ultimately harmful.
He actually denies the genetic basis of Turkish ethnicity. I have no problem he identifies as a Turk but I don't accept if he claims Turkish ethnicity has no racial basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
First of all: A Ukrainian will not plot like a Scandinavian in any modern calculator. Only in ancient one they might have same amount of basal components (similar European HG, EEF, Steppe) but will have different distances cause Ukrainians are Balto-Slavic drifted.
I agree that determining one’s ethnicity (or meta ethnicity among Europeans) should not be abused to discriminate certain groups although it is sometimes fun to make a playful competition (as long as boundaries are respected ofc)
Turkish ethnicity is not based on genetic similarity. It is based on culture and linguistics. In Turkey, it is very common to have friends, neighbors, colleagues who are very different from each other in terms of ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dardanos
I just gave an abstract example, I don't really know about Ukrainian ethnogenesis. However, I am 100% sure there are Anatolian Turk samples who plot closest to Balkans in GEDmatch database. But unfortunately, individual samples on GEDmatch are not publicly accessible. We can only see regional averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katarzyna
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Originally Posted by Dušan
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Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
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Originally Posted by Lioncourt
There are lots of Ukrainian Nordids, who would obviously plot closer to Swedish average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katarzyna