What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

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Originally Posted by Lajos Kossuth
Nor do I trust much the reliability of such tests.

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I believe the tests are reliable, at least I haven’t heard of cases where two different tests threw up two different resulting haplogroups but I think a lot is read into them, they do, after all, only test the one unbroken line of ancestral markers on a Y chromosome or within mtDNA, that’s just one out of thousands of ancestors you have, so I tend to ignore the “Celtic”, “Germanic”, “Slavic” slant that some geneticists give to these tests as they don’t necessarily indicate anything of the sort.

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Originally Posted by Lenny

Although the proto-Germanic/Nordic "I" was always a European grouping going back to the pre-IceAge, it seems they usually tended towards being a ruling caste and not the peasantry, so they usually had fewer children than the surrounding R1'ers, thus their gene frequency is lower overall.

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Actually, that theory is inconsistent with reality. :tongue Historically, men of the ruling classes were quite good at spreading their genes around. :wink Not only that, but this tendency of aristocratic or upper class families for having smaller than average families is a relatively modern phenomenon. In ancient times, the prosperous ruling classes would not only be able to have larger families due to the availability of domestic servants, wet nurses (allowing aristocratic women to regain fertility quicker after childbearing than those who would breastfeed for 2 or more years - as breastfeeding suppresses ovulation), nannies etc... but their infant mortality rate was lower too (obviously due to better nutrition, shelter, hygiene etc.)

If the "I" halogroup did not quickly become widespread and frequently found, it would rather indicate a lack of prosperity of the men/populations who possessed it.

I am tested I1 and my country has the highest frequency of power I1 across Europe :tongue :D

This is my first post. I am confirmed I2a2.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

If you take a look at the French Canadian DNA Database, G and G2a are not uncommon among our people.

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G and G2a, in ethnic French, can is connected to the Alanic hypothesis.


Migration to Gaul;

It has been hypothetised that G2a was brought to northern France and Belgium by the Alans, who traversed all continental Europe. G2a1 being the most common variety in the Caucasus nowadays, the fairly recent Alanic migration (from a genetic point of view) could have carried that particular subclade. In fact, G2a1 has been found all along the Alanic migration route (Hungary, France, Spain), as well as in Britain (Samartian element), but hardly anywhere else.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Alani_map.jpg

E1b1b1a2 (V-13), the more or less Illyrian haplogroup. I'm still a bit cautious about the result. Not that it's that hard to believe, but it did come as a surprise - perchance a pleasant one due to its highly peculiar character and relative rarity. I'm not entirely certain how could it possibly appear where my oldest known ancestor used to live.

I'm mildly dismayed at how I am confined to voting for E1b1b, which is generally perceived as Middle Eastern and North African, in spite of my particular subclade making me cluster exclusively with Europeans (e.g., on ySearch in my vicinity I found 23 people from England, 9 from Ireland, 7 from Southern Germany and Austria, 6 from Italy, 4 from Scotland, 3 from Greece, 3 from Czech Rep., 2 from Bulgaria, etc.) Not a single surname or family history would point at them being foreign to Europe or to the region, except for a few Scots in England. What a predicament.

I don't know for sure, but my father's ancestry is in southwestern Europe so it is more than likely R1B. I think a paternal uncle of mine actually took the test when it was a "fad" to take them, but I didn't really ask what it was. I wonder, what is the age requirement for a test? I have the money, so I might just get it done. I'm sure my parents would let me. :)

Having adjusted my results following instructions from specialists at Molecular Genetics, I managed to find a perfect match (a South German) and two near-perfect ones (another South German and an Irishman). The former had only tested for 11 markers (I tested for 17), but I'm still quite impressed with the whole thing.

Time for a MtDNA test, and perhaps a 67-marker one due to the unusual nature of the haplogroup.

I voted for my father's haplogroup, N1c1. While this haplogroup is the most common one in Finland, the particular haplotype my father has seems to be rare. His closest matches so far are in England, Sweden, and among the Rurikid princes.

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Originally Posted by Aino

N1c1. ... among the Rurikid princes.

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How odd! Who did they test to be so certain of this? Was there still much actual male-line unity among those claiming to be of Ryurik's line among the Russian nobility?

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Originally Posted by Osweo

How odd! Who did they test to be so certain of this? Was there still much actual male-line unity among those claiming to be of Ryurik's line among the Russian nobility?

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They have tested descendants of Rurik from different family branches, such as the Smolensk, Yaroslav, Starodub, and Rostov branches. The first two descendants of Rurik that were tested were Prince Shahovskoi and Professor Gagarin. Their most recent common ancestor is Vladimir II Monomakh, Grand Prince of Kiev in the 12th century.

The test results of these two and of the other people who have been tested show that they carry N1c1 and share a similar haplotype, which indicates descent from a shared ancestor. However, two princes of the Obolensk branch carry R1a1 instead and thus descend from a different ancestor.

You can read more about the project here:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...x?section=news

Interestingly, descendants of the Lithuanian Gediminid rulers also carry N1c1, but they have a different haplotype, one with typically Baltic markers.

Why do you find it odd?

R1b1b2a1a1*


(*) indicate that they are part of the main haplogroup but don't fit into any of the known subgroups.

I'm R1a1a. I'd like to know whether I'm R1a1a7 (M458) or some sort of R1a1a (xM458), but I don't see any point in buying an SNP test until European xM458 is broken down further.

And I am R1a1a all subclades tested negative.

R1b1b2*-M269 :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Soten

R1b1b2*-M269 :coffee:

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Welcome to the R1b club. Maybe we should make t-shirts & bumper stickers & stuff....?

I'm waiting on my deep clade results.... Due in March.

Too expensive for me now. And I fear they will use my DNA to make a terrible army of clones of myself and conquer the world with such a fearsome and unbeatable specimens... (mhhh that's not so bad after all)

Anyway, I would like know the subgroup, but I'm pretty sure I will be in the R1B1 group since my ancestors are all old Castilian breed with ancient celtiberian Navarre (read Basque here) male founder of my paternal lineage.

Mine is R1a.

I am Asiatic intruder into teh genetic Europe.

E1b1b1a2.

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<cite> Within Europe, E-V13 is especially common in the Balkans and some parts of Italy. In different studies, particularly high frequencies have been observed in Kosovar Albanians (45.6%) (Peričic et al. (2005)), Albanian speakers in the Republic of Macedonia (34.4% reported in Battaglia et al. (2008)), and in some parts of Greece (about 35% in some of the areas studied by King et al. (2008). More generally, high frequencies have also been found in other areas of Greece, and amongst Bulgarians, Romanians, Macedonians, and Serbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1b1b1a

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how i can tested?With national geo. tool kit?

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Originally Posted by Reinhard

how i can tested?With national geo. tool kit?

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I recommend this web page.

too expensive nat.s only 99$

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Originally Posted by Reinhard

too expensive nat.s only 99$

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You will get much more out of a test from 23andMe or deCODEme than you will from the National Geographic one.

OK, so I finally got my deep clade results back. I've known for a couple years now that I'm R1b but now I have much better resolution on the matter. It turns out that I am:

R1b1b2a1b5

L21+
M222-
M37-
P66-

The fact that I am negative for the M222 marker puts me out of contention for being of the Nial of the Nine Hostages cluster. No worries. ;)

When did I vote in here? Well can somebody change it to J2? Thank you.

It looks like the filthy R1bs have overtaken the noble R1as...

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/3866/origi...plZpo1_500.gif

That would make The Apricity R1b1-centric!
If more of the Poles, Czechs,Hungarians, aka Slavs were to get tested we might resolve this issue.

But for now we are n****s hiding in the woodshed!:D

N1c1 :fhhorse:The Horde has arrivedhttp://www.theapricity.com/forum/pic...884949&thumb=1

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Originally Posted by Soten

R1b1b2*-M269 :coffee:

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R1b1b2a1a1

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Originally Posted by Soten

R1b1b2a1a1

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Ah, so you're an S21/U106 flavor of R1b.

That's actually what I thought I was going to turn out to be based on one of the online predictors but nope, L21 it is! :cool:

ArR1ba, fellow native tR1besmen of the West!!!

Down with aR1an oppression!

(Anyone got any more of these acronym-puns? I love em! :p)

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Originally Posted by Osweo

ArR1ba, fellow native tR1besmen of the West!!!

Down with aR1an oppression!

(Anyone got any more of these acronym-puns? I love em! :p)

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You forgot R1bbet! and R1b-eye Steak. :D

I belong to R1a1a.

My paternal line came to Virginia from England in the early 1600s. Appears to be a rare variety of R1a1a. No matches on ftDNA or ysearch.org. Nor do I match any of the types on the website Eburos sourced.

I must admit I was very disappointed to find out I was a subclade of R1b, I was hoping that I belonged to the noble N1c.

R1b1b2a1a1* here

R1baldry!

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Originally Posted by KEN

R1b1b2a1a1* here

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sup bro! :thumb001:

Anyone know of any other matches to my R1b sequence?

DYS19 @ 14
DYS 388 @ 12
DYS 390 @ 22
DYS 391 @ 10
DYS 392 @ 12
DYS 393 @ 13
DYS 389i @ 09
DYS 389ii-i @ 17
DYS 425 @ 12
DYS 426 @ 11

I'm curious about it as the only exact match I have been put onto by the company I went with (Oxford Ancestors) is from the Orkney Islands and that it cannot be assigned an exact sub-clade. Unfortunately they do not give out personal details so I can't make enquiries that end with my genetic cousin. Others who have looked have claimed it doesn’t appear in any of the Irish records. I’m wondering given that my surname has a (son) prefix, which is Scandinavian and that the best evidence suggests it originates from Norman settlers in south-west Scotland, if this is a Norse marker.

Appreciate any help.:)

I couldn't help but notice that over 28% of the R1b haplogroup have been banned from the forum.

I1 holds the second place with 20% being banned from the forum.

While 0% of the other haplogroups have succumbed to such a fate.

Perhaps more members should list there haplogroups on this poll so that conclusions can not be drawn against these belligerent members common haplogroup.:lightbul:

Hey, I'm not saying that I'd mind if us aR1ans get preferential treatment. :D