Well I believe that Britain in large parts, was already Celto-Germanic before the Anglo-Saxons. Like The Belgae. The difference between the locals, Angles & Saxons was smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
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Well I believe that Britain in large parts, was already Celto-Germanic before the Anglo-Saxons. Like The Belgae. The difference between the locals, Angles & Saxons was smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Btw, while my mtDNA and my father's Y-DNA makes perfect sence, his mtDNA stays a mistery. It's a rare Northern/Eastern African one and also common in Sephardi Jews (M1a). Though, when it comes to his autosomal DNA, there are no signs or traces of Eastern or Northern African ancestry. Or even Jewish ancestry for that matter. And so far I have only come across one other West Asian (Armenian) person with the same mtDNA.
How do they got there before the Anglo-Saxon proper invasions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I don't care much for haplogroups, they're pretty insignificant. Although I guess I'm somewhat happy with the relative rarity of my yDNA, even though 23andme can't tell me much more than I2. And I can't really be bothered forking out money to ftDNA to find out the specifics.
You sort of mix with your closest neighbours.
The Belgae were a group of Gallo-Germanic tribes living in northern Gaul, between the English channel and the west bank of the Rhine, from at least the 3rd century BC. They were later found also in Britain, and possibly even Ireland. The Belgae gave their name to the Roman province of Gallia Belgica, and very much later, to the modern country of Belgium.
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Julius Caesar describes Gaul at the time of his conquests (58 - 51 BC) as divided into three parts, inhabited by the Aquitani in the southwest, the Gauls of the biggest central part, who in their own language were called Celtae, and the Belgae in the north.
Ancient sources such as Caesar are unclear about the things used to define ethnicity today. He describes the Belgae as both Celtic (or at least Gaulish) and Germanic (at least some of them, and at least by descent). Strabo stated that the differences between the Celts and Belgae, in countenance, language, politics and way of life was a small one, unlike the difference between the Aquitanians and Celts.
On the other hand it has been proposed that there could have been more than one language within the region, and also possibly differences between the language of the elite and the rest of the population. Many modern scholars believe that the Belgae were a firmly Celtic-speaking group.
However, at least part of the Belgae may also have had significant genetic, cultural and historical connections to peoples east of the Rhine, including Germanic peoples, judging from archaeological, placename, and textual evidence.
Britain
The Belgae had made their way across the English Channel into southern Britain in Caesar's time.
Caesar asserts they had first crossed the channel as raiders, only later establishing themselves on the island. The precise extent of their conquests is unknown. After the Roman conquest of Britain, the civitas of the Belgae was bordered to the North by the British Atrebates, who were also a Belgic tribe, and to the east by the Regnenses, who were probably linked to the Belgae as well.
Caesar recorded a number of tribal names in the region of Kent, of which one (Cenimagni) resembles the name of a Northern Gaulish tribe (Cenomani),[ and other studies have also attempted to link the spread of Aylesford-Swarling pottery across the southeastern corner of Britain to the Belgic invasion; however, none of this is certain.
If you have a strong antionalist sense, especially in a divisive country, I can see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor2009
If you are from british isles or unknown white american you probably have r1b anyway, so all you can do is see if it's an interesting subclade. My grandfather was english but my grandfather was definitely "exotic" so I might have something else in store but there's probably nothing I'd be upset about. Hopefully something interesting.
They just found some very old M mtDNA in messopotamia from a skeleton a few thousand years old even though it's astoundingly rare now. So, perhaps you have some very ancient roots in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azalea
I was very happy to know I'm J2. Ubermensch haplogroup no doubt.
Yes, we're both related to Otzi :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I am happy with mine. I don't have the land of my ancestors, but I have theirs Y-DNA with me. My mom' by result of mtDNA given me the strong idea about her ancestors place - Finland (90% who have mtDNA: I1a1a), I am happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I guess. Paternally Not very typical for a Puerto Rican, even less for a Spaniard but whatever.
Maternally it was super expected so that's cool.
What are the most common among Puerto Ricans?Quote:
Originally Posted by acevedoricky
Y-DNA is e1b, Berber NA subclade. Mtdna is Siberian.
Rocks. In theory I have the survival kit for both the North African heat and the Siberian cold ^.^
I have mtdna U2e1a. When I first got my own 23andme results it told me my direct maternal line is South Asian, which is wrong. 23andme wrongly has U2e and its subclades U2e1, U2e1a, and U2e1a1 listed as South Asian. The reality is: U2e and its subclades are an ancient European subclade of U2, which had diverged from the South Asian U2i over 50kya. So at first I was a little confused thinking my direct maternal line might be part Gypsy before I read up on it.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...#Haplogroup_U2
I thought my father and paternal grandmother's mtdna would be some sort of U or H, like most Europeans/WestAsians. It turned out to be H13a2 which is a subclade of H13. H13 peaks in the Caucasus area, specifically Dagestan, according to 23andme. Alberta speculates that my father may have direct maternal ancestry from these people because of it:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardaites
I was really hoping J2 for my dad's y haplogroup, but he ended up with E1b1b1c1a(E-M84 in short form), which is just as good! Here is a great article about E-M84:
http://rjgg.org/index.php/RJGG/article/download/48/59
Very happy, especially with my Paternal HG. :)
Should I be happy as well??:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
Well, It comes down to how you feel personally. I think you should be as it's a haplogroup that's native to the Balkans, and Europe as a whole. :) HG I is not found anywhere outside of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drawing-live
What's your mtDNA?
Yes European on both sides :)
I will take a test for haplogroups but I am worried the test will be inaccurate or not comprehensive enough.
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Originally Posted by Vojnik
Yes, you both should be especially happy with this...as am i. :grouphug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drawing-live
I am whatever it may be.
im not too happy with my ydna haplogroup cause i find it very boring
i like my mtdna cause i guess its rare and cool
Well, at first I was rather neutral since I wasn't very knowledgable about haplogroups and mine aren't very common, so I hadn't heard about them. But after researching what is available (there isn't that much research on them), I'm rather happy. I still don't know much about my mtDNA, but my Y-DNA is very cool. :cool:
The distribution of J2b2 in Anatolia is linked to Phrygian Settlements. My paternal line is from Sangarius, modern-day Sakarya, it's where the home of the Phrygians was located. So assuming my paternal line has indeed arrived with the Phrygians, they have been in Sakarya for 2700-3200 years.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8388/8...99cf87c3_o.jpg
I think for YDNA r1b.... Like most Spaniards.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse
My mtDNA is very common though.
23&me - general idea about Y-DNA & mtDNA, less money;Quote:
Originally Posted by Learning_Genetics
FTDNA - with sub-Haplogroups/clasters complete for Y-DNA and mtDNA, more money.
Thank you for your recommendation. I will investigate this possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonik
At FTDNA you can to participate in many projects (Y-DNA, mtDNA, others like" Lituania Propria", "Polish", etc for me.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Learning_Genetics
My recomendation to everyone: Y-DNA at least for 67 markers (111-max); mtDNA - mtFullSequence, no less (less will be so general result).
Good luck!
They are both common among my people and they greatly represents where I hail from (very far up north in the Nordic countries). So yes :)
I was shocked to get an interesting combination for an Englishman. Both my Lines, Paternal and Maternal are English as far back as I can go on records - Late 1700's, lol.. So too see R1a and W1g gave me a shock, the R1a is expected to be Norse but 67 markers will define that, but the W1g, stumped!
I am happy and feel proud to have middle eastern ancestry.
Yes, I'm happy with my Haplogroups. my first reaction when I first discover what haplogroups I was a bit surprised. but I also was pleased. So Yes I'm happy/proud.
Since I'm a Y-DNA J2 ,Haplogroup J rules! :cool:
I bet there's been a lot sleepless nights and wet pillows for many members :laugh:
Sure thing Mr. C3 :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by RussiaPrussia
I'm neither happy with them or unhappy with them. They just are what they are.
I am happy with my haplogroup.
My Y-DNA was sort of both, a surprise (in a good way) and typical for my family's origins.
First I was to find it was marker of Celtic speakers in the Atlantic, and upon further testing I found it not only belongs to the "Scots-Model", but that certain markers were found with more frequency among families who had origins in the western Lowlands of Scotland.
I was proud because it reflected the genealogical origins of my father's line, who were Scotch-Irish that had originally came from the western Scottish Lowlands and the Anglo-Scottish Borders and also because it was said to be a marker of the Strathclyde Britons, in my case.
This got me more interested in the history of those people and I was also just generally proud of the fact they were some of the earlier, pre-Roman settlers in Scotland itself.
My mtdna is H and I have not done any further testing yet on it but I am still proud of it as being a very common marker found in European populations.
I dont place too much emphasis on them though, like some people, because the autosomal results are what truly matter .
But I am also proud of those as they too reflect the general background of my family history, coming mostly from the British Isles.
Couldn't be happier... with all three of them.
I am so pissed.
Here's something that you can try. If you know the names of your various male ancestors, go to one of those family DNA web sites. If you know the date and place of his birth, you can discover his haplotype. So far, I've found R1b (two kinds), R1a, I1, and E3b in different ancestors' lines.
So far, I only know my Y-DNA haplogroup. I was a bit shocked with it (I have a very rare E-M78 sub-clade), because there were not many in formations about it. Later I began to be proud of it, as my studies of the sub-clade were deepening my knowledge. Eventually I found that the highest STR variance was found in the Netherlands and the coalescence age 12.300 years old, so Late Mesolitic. Some weeks ago I discovered that the oldest boat in the world was discovered in the Netherlands, and the datings show that it was constructed soon after the birth of my sub-clade.
With my matches (all from Central and Northern Europe) I confirmed 1) my supposed Germanic ancestry and 2) the belonging to a noble family of Saxon origin.
So I'm definitely proud of it.
Of course ... from the mighty Trojan War heroes.
Yeah, they seem to go well together.