Post your HarappaWorld results

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Originally Posted by Bakha

ok; i am looking forward to order test from Davidski anyways when i will have some cash

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I'll stop trolling you for a second. Getting G25 coordinates on their own won't help you. You barely know what you're doing when you're looking at Gedmatch. What's clear about your results is that they deviate sufficiently from your known ancestry, though we need to keep random inheritance in mind. Your West Asian (as opposed to East Med) might simply be explained by your "Bukharian Uzbek" background, if that area is sufficiently more Persian than the rest of Uzbekistan. However, your East Med seems oddly high from my recollection. What was it in Eurogenes K13? And please post your K36 again. While it's worthwhile noting that one MENA component can spill over into another in Gedmatch, this does suggest an even higher amount of it for your dad. Now, this may be explained a number of ways. It could be from a more recent Persian/Turkish/Tajik/etc arrival who was more EastMed-shifted. It could be from an Arab. After all, your father is presumably Muslim and every Muslim country has someone claiming descent from Muhammad or a close relative of his. Perhaps some Arabs settled in Bukhara. Now, the two groups that have the relevant proportions of East Med and West Asian that I know of are Assyrians and Mizrachim. The reason to think against such an introgression is because the former is Christian and the latter is Jewish - this would've required a change of religion. And while Mizrachim certainly lived in Bukhara, I don't recall of an Assyrian presence there. None of these explanations are mutually exclusive, and you need to keep them all in mind.

At the very least, you'll need Davidski to specifically help you with this puzzle, as you won't know wtf you're doing with G25; I barely do. However, one thing you should do, if for some reason you haven't done it already, is CHECK YOUR COUSIN MATCHES. And do it carefully. Whenever they're not East Slavic or typically Uzbek, see if you can triangulate them. Note the size of segment, and divide by the double of the total amount of centimorgans that the given site allots for all of your DNA (normally 3.5k). So, if you triangulate a 40cm segment, the % of that ancestry will be estimated as 40/7000.

Best of luck.

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Originally Posted by Pine

I'll stop trolling you for a second. Getting G25 coordinates on their own won't help you. You barely know what you're doing when you're looking at Gedmatch. What's clear about your results is that they deviate sufficiently from your known ancestry, though we need to keep random inheritance in mind. Your West Asian (as opposed to East Med) might simply be explained by your "Bukharian Uzbek" background, if that area is sufficiently more Persian than the rest of Uzbekistan. However, your East Med seems oddly high from my recollection. What was it in Eurogenes K13? And please post your K36 again. While it's worthwhile noting that one MENA component can spill over into another in Gedmatch, this does suggest an even higher amount of it for your dad. Now, this may be explained a number of ways. It could be from a more recent Persian/Turkish/Tajik/etc arrival who was more EastMed-shifted. It could be from an Arab. After all, your father is presumably Muslim and every Muslim country has someone claiming descent from Muhammad or a close relative of his. Perhaps some Arabs settled in Bukhara. Now, the two groups that have the relevant proportions of East Med and West Asian that I know of are Assyrians and Mizrachim. The reason to think against such an introgression is because the former is Christian and the latter is Jewish - this would've required a change of religion. And while Mizrachim certainly lived in Bukhara, I don't recall of an Assyrian presence there. None of these explanations are mutually exclusive, and you need to keep them all in mind.

At the very least, you'll need Davidski to specifically help you with this puzzle, as you won't know wtf you're doing with G25; I barely do. However, one thing you should do, if for some reason you haven't done it already, is CHECK YOUR COUSIN MATCHES. And do it carefully. Whenever they're not East Slavic or typically Uzbek, see if you can triangulate them. Note the size of segment, and divide by the double of the total amount of centimorgans that the given site allots for all of your DNA (normally 3.5k). So, if you triangulate a 40cm segment, the % of that ancestry will be estimated as 40/7000.

Best of luck.

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West_Med	8.12 Pct
West_Asian	17.25 Pct
East_Med	12.20

West_Med	9.90 Pct
West_Asian	16.55 Pct
East_Med	11

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Originally Posted by Bakha

West_Med	8.12 Pct
West_Asian	17.25 Pct
East_Med	12.20

West_Med	9.90 Pct
West_Asian	16.55 Pct
East_Med	11

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Maybe your father was closer to Turkmens

Eurogenes average

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.73
2 East_Med 19.76
3 South_Asian 11.21
4 Siberian 10.08
5 North_Atlantic 7.21
6 East_Asian 6.87
7 Baltic 5.91
8 West_Med 2.52
9 Amerindian 1.88
10 Red_Sea 1.31
11 Oceanian 0.32
12 Sub-Saharan 0.11
13 Northeast_African 0.08

After all, Bukhara province is closer to Turkmenistan than Tajikistan. Southwestern Uzbeks are Oghuz Turkic speakers as far as I'm concerned.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png

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Originally Posted by Leto

Maybe your father was closer to Turkmens

Eurogenes average

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.73
2 East_Med 19.76
3 South_Asian 11.21
4 Siberian 10.08
5 North_Atlantic 7.21
6 East_Asian 6.87
7 Baltic 5.91
8 West_Med 2.52
9 Amerindian 1.88
10 Red_Sea 1.31
11 Oceanian 0.32
12 Sub-Saharan 0.11
13 Northeast_African 0.08

After all, Bukhara province is closer to Turkmenistan than Tajikistan. Southwestern Uzbeks are Oghuz Turkic speakers as far as I'm concerned.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png

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maybe
west med is from my northern/volga russian side? Around 18% for my mother?

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Originally Posted by Bakha

maybe
west med is from my northern/volga russian side? Around 18% for my mother?

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No way. It's on average like 8-9% in ethnic Russians. WM is actually low in Iranians and Kurds as well, like 5-7% or so.

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Originally Posted by Leto

No way. It's on average like 8-9% in ethnic Russians. WM is actually low in Iranians and Kurds as well, like 5-7% or so.

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is there a west med in finno ugric admixt russians? If my mother had 10% and my father around 3% like turkmens then i would get around 6% - more or less the same (8 and 9.90%%)

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Originally Posted by Bakha

is there a west med in finno ugric admixt russians? If my mother had 10% and my father around 3% like turkmens then i would get around 6% - more or less the same (8 and 9.90%%)

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Yes, there is but it's usually lower than in Western Russians. My mother is 5% for example (she is quite "Finnic").
Anyway, it's all kind of pointless to read into, 'cause these components are sometimes assigned quite randomly. Otherwise explain to me why I got 4% East Med on K13 when my parents are like 1% and 2% only. Also I got 45% Baltic and my parents are 50% and 48% respectively. These damn calcs certainly lack mathematic precision to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Maybe your father was closer to Turkmens

Eurogenes average

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.73
2 East_Med 19.76
3 South_Asian 11.21
4 Siberian 10.08
5 North_Atlantic 7.21
6 East_Asian 6.87
7 Baltic 5.91
8 West_Med 2.52
9 Amerindian 1.88
10 Red_Sea 1.31
11 Oceanian 0.32
12 Sub-Saharan 0.11
13 Northeast_African 0.08

After all, Bukhara province is closer to Turkmenistan than Tajikistan. Southwestern Uzbeks are Oghuz Turkic speakers as far as I'm concerned.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png

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Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		53.1%	Ukrainian	+	46.9%	Turkmen	@	2.93
2		54.6%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	45.4%	Turkmen	@	3.34
3		51.3%	Turkmen	+	48.7%	Estonian_Polish	@	3.64
4		52%	Southwest_Russian	+	48%	Turkmen	@	3.84
5		50%	Turkmen	+	50%	Polish	@	3.87
6		53%	South_Polish	+	47%	Turkmen	@	4.01
7		50.7%	Turkmen	+	49.3%	Russian_Smolensk	@	4.18
8		52%	Turkmen	+	48%	Belorussian	@	4.22
9		50.5%	Kargopol_Russian	+	49.5%	Turkmen	@	4.35
10		54.7%	Turkmen	+	45.3%	Estonian	@	4.57
11		52.2%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	47.8%	Turkmen	@

^^^^^Highly likely he is bukharan turkmen

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Originally Posted by Bakha

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		53.1%	Ukrainian	+	46.9%	Turkmen	@	2.93
2		54.6%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	45.4%	Turkmen	@	3.34
3		51.3%	Turkmen	+	48.7%	Estonian_Polish	@	3.64
4		52%	Southwest_Russian	+	48%	Turkmen	@	3.84
5		50%	Turkmen	+	50%	Polish	@	3.87
6		53%	South_Polish	+	47%	Turkmen	@	4.01
7		50.7%	Turkmen	+	49.3%	Russian_Smolensk	@	4.18
8		52%	Turkmen	+	48%	Belorussian	@	4.22
9		50.5%	Kargopol_Russian	+	49.5%	Turkmen	@	4.35
10		54.7%	Turkmen	+	45.3%	Estonian	@	4.57
11		52.2%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	47.8%	Turkmen	@

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This isn't surprising, as Leto essentially ran a gedmatch calc in his head. What this does is confirms that his calculation was pretty damn good, as opposed to making Turkmen ancestry much more likely. Also, Leto suggested that Uzbeks from Bukhara might be closer to Turkmens, as opposed to being actual Turkmens. Ethnicity isn't just genetics. The area might exist on a genetic continuum. However, it is now your job to see if you have Turkmen cousin matches. Unfortunately, I doubt many are in DNA databases, but good luck.