Iranian GEDmatch kits

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Originally Posted by Zoro

No dude I’m right. You have no idea what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about the recent E. Asian within the last300 years like 23andme. I’m talking about the older E Asian in the Iron Age and the recent.

Where do you think the mongoloid looking Kurds Iranians or other W Asians get their looks from. If you think they get it from the 5 % more recent E Asian that will be hilarious . They get it from the 15 or 20% old E. Asian. All someone has to do is make a k3 calculator with SSA, ENF, and E. Asian components and all that hidden E Asian will come pouring out trust me :D

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If anything I'd argue a 5% recent influence is a better explanation, because if it's older there can be selection or just bottleneck effects or a plethora of things changing phenotype.

Despite being polygenic a 5% influence can very well translate into the East Asian appearance of some people, not sure why that's unlikely for you. In any case 15-20% is ridiculously high, it reaches level of genetic replacement necessary from Central Asian Turks that would make hard to explain a lot of things going on in Turkey or Azerbaijan IMO.

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Yeah so clearly 23andme doesn’t show any E Asian older than 300 years that’s why heavily E Eurasian Indians also show 0 SE oe E Asian on 23andme

Btw you still have 0.2% E Asian on 23andme. Hey that’s still higher than the 0% Iranian matches I’ve seen there

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Just stop trying to 'Kurdify' every Mongoloid DNA in Kurdistan. If you have some doesn't mean that other Kurds must have also some, since you found out that you had some Turkmen ancestors in the past. Just accept you have some and move on. And do not make the same mistakes as your ancestors did and stop mixing with the Turks/Turkmen or Semites/Arabs.

I have got maybe 1-2% Mongoloid real Turkic DNA in me. But as an Ezdi Kurd I belong to a Kurdish minority. I think that on average (of 50 million) Kurds have maybe for about 3-4% Mongoloid real Turkic DNA and it is not Kurdish because it is not native to Kurdistan and it is from the Altai/Central Asia.


But I do agree with you that some is very ancient and is related to the ancient Saka/Scythian people who came to the Median Empire 2500 years ago. Nevertheless, not very much.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

If anything I'd argue a 5% recent influence is a better explanation, because if it's older there can be selection or just bottleneck effects or a plethora of things changing phenotype.

Despite being polygenic a 5% influence can very well translate into the East Asian appearance of some people, not sure why that's unlikely for you. In any case 15-20% is ridiculously high, it reaches level of genetic replacement necessary from Central Asian Turks that would make hard to explain a lot of things going on in Turkey or Azerbaijan IMO.

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I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype. Here’s why. First, we have all seen 50% E Asian/ 50% European kids and many of those kids even though 1 parent is E Asian, they barely look E Asian and certainly less E Asian than some of the Kurds Iranians and some Caucasians. So I’ll never be convinced 5% is enough case closed.

Second, remember the many Indian looking S Iraqis like the ones I posted on the previous page we can both agree there wasn’t alot of admixture between them and Indians recently otherwise admixture calculators would pick it up. I think that’s old shared some sore of Mesopotamian or some Neolithic farmer between the 2.

With regards to population replacement who said all the E Asian in W Asians was a 1 time event. It’s actually due to multiple waves from the east starting around the Iron Age with Saka and then various Turkic .

I think you gave me an incentive to learn admixture software to build a k3 SSA, ENF, E Asian calculator. Let the chips fall where they may :)

Remember that a 20 ft ladder isn’t needed to climb a 20ft wall. 3 six ft ladders can also do the trick ( 3 vs 1 admixture waves) haha

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Originally Posted by Zoro

I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype.

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Just stop here. There are millions of native Africans with the Mongoloid phenotype.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4k5XLpn/naamloos.png



Mongoloid phenotype CAN come out, even if you have got only 1 percentage of it!

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Originally Posted by Zoro

I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype. Here’s why. First, we have all seen 50% E Asian/ 50% European kids and many of those kids even though 1 parent is E Asian, they barely look E Asian and certainly less E Asian than some of the Kurds Iranians and some Caucasians. So I’ll never be convinced 5% is enough case closed.

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In Eastern Europe there is plenty of mongoloid-ish looking people and they're barely 10% East Asian/Siberian - hell, in some cases barely 5%. Have you not seen the two Tatar females and their DNA results that I posted? They are less than 20% mongoloid on GEDmatch (Siberian, East Asian, all that stuff) but nevertheless look very Asiatic.
Pheotypic expressions of genes are often very random.
Also it depends on where you grew up. To someone who has lived their entire life somewhere in deep France or Spain certain Eastern European faces may look "mongoloid" even though they would be far from Chinese racially and genetically and wouldn't be perceived as such in Asia. The same goes for black people by the way. Barack Obama may look black in America but in Kenya he would look clearly foreign.

These TV show stars look extremely mongoloid and the kids are only 25% Korean! (75% white European)
https://i0.heartyhosting.com/radaron...92%2C446&ssl=1
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...5071581907.jpg
https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordp...-ftr.jpg?w=620

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Plus_8

She is a white American, presumably 100% European

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Katie Irene Kreider, who is of German, Scottish, and English descent, was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Charlene (née Kolak) and Kenton Kreider, a pastor.

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He is biracial, 50% Korean, 50% white American

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Jonathan Keith Gosselin was born and raised in Wyomissing, Pennsylvania as the middle child in a family of three children. He has two brothers, Thomas and Mark.[2] Gosselin's mother, Pamela Castello (née Lyum),[3] was born and raised in Hawaii as a second-generation Korean American and his father, Thomas Gosselin (a pediatric dentist), was of French, Irish, and Welsh descent. Gosselin's father died on January 13, 2005.[4][5][6] Jon graduated from Wyomissing High School in 1995.[7]

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Originally Posted by MS85

Just stop here. There are millions of native Africans with the Mongoloid phenotype.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4k5XLpn/naamloos.png



Mongoloid phenotype CAN come out, even if you have got only 1 percentage of it!

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That’s true but I don’t think W Asians got the phenotype from African pygmies it’s much more likely they got it from e Asians

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Originally Posted by Leto

In Eastern Europe there is plenty of mongoloid-ish looking people and they're barely 10% East Asian/Siberian - hell, in some cases barely 5%. Have you not seen the two Tatar females and their DNA results that I posted? They are less than 20% mongoloid on GEDmatch (Siberian, East Asian, all that stuff) but nevertheless look very Asiatic.
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That’s exactly my point those damn calculators don’t measure total E Asian because There is a lot of East Asia hidden in other components

For example if a calculator showed me as 90% Turk and 1 % E Asian. Do you seriously think I would be only 1 % E Asian. Wouldn’t the Smart thing would be to ask yourself well how many percent east Asian the Turkish references are ??

The only way you’re going to get a reliable total east Asian percentage is with a K3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian components. That’s it

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Originally Posted by Zoro

That’s exactly my point those damn calculators don’t measure total E Asian because There is a lot of East Asia hidden in other components

For example if a calculator showed me as 90% Turk and 1 % E Asian. Do you seriously think I would be only 1 % E Asian. Wouldn’t the Smart thing would be to ask yourself well how many percent east Asian the Turkish references are ??

The only way you’re going to get a reliable total east Asian percentage is with a K3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian components. That’s it

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No, I disagree with you 'cause you think we're all somehow super mongoloid but no DNA test is able to show it. That's crap, on a continental level those calcs tend to be quite accurate.

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Originally Posted by Leto

No, I disagree with you 'cause you think we're all somehow super mongoloid but no DNA test is able to show it. That's crap, on a continental level those calcs tend to be quite accurate.

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Your substance less response to my post just told me that you are 100% clueless with this type of stuff. I’m not wasting any more time with you.