The most ultimate Hungarian K13 database thus far

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Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

Stearsolina, could you compere my percentages to the other Hungarian users? Like you did for VarangianRus?
And also, i'd love to show you my other results from MyHeritage.
Well, it's a bit different compered to the 23andMe... Could you add it to the PCA as Gergő Marosvári (MyHeritage) if it's possible?

Components %
North_Atlantic 28,03
Baltic 36,66
West_Med 13,83
West_Asian 6,10
East_Med 10,72
Red_Sea 0,00
South_Asian 3,18
East_Asian 0,35
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,02
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 1,10

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compared to all TA users in database

Distance to: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)

4.44870768 Max_soldo(croat)
4.89381242 Alenka(South-Slav)
6.00872699 Incelslayer(romanian)
6.02183527 Madonna_father(rusyn)
6.14617767 Westcoast(croat)
6.29471207 Vlatko_vukovic(bosniak)
6.48310111 Kostej(slovak)
6.54676256 Manda(croat)
6.83155912 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
6.95222986 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.08863174 Stearsolina(Croat)
7.11726071 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.15285258 Universe(hungarian)
7.16827036 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
7.27025447 un4given(Croat)
7.56887046 Karol_father(slovak)
7.59667691 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.32470420 ph2ter_father(croat)
8.33754760 Viers(hungarian)
8.49187259 Feiichy_Father(croat)
8.51539782 Dušan(serb)
8.57960955 nuti(slovak)
8.73369910 Tschaikisten(serb)
8.80121014 Ford(serb)
8.80617965 Cordedwhelp_mom


Target: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
Distance: 0.6207% / 0.62074325

25.0 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
23.3 Polak(Polish+Ukrainian
18.6 All(silesian)
10.5 Dimadoe(russian)
8.9 dududud_mother(french/sardinian)
4.7 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
3.8 Thambi(Indian_south)
2.8 Lukasz(polish)
2.3 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
0.1 Visar(polish)

Your myheritage data is really similar, it won't make much difference IMO.
Btw, is it possible you have some Gypsy in family tree? Your south Asian is very high. Hungarians do get elevated south Asian from steppic admixture, but yours is above 3% which is above what I'd call ancient admixture, so I'm curious what's your take on that?

How do you know that i didn't have any Conqueror ancestry, just because that a calculator doesn't contain any Mongoloid? :)

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Originally Posted by Universe

Yes. Northeastern Hungarians are on avarage more genetically Slavic (Rusyn/Slovak) than other regions. That's just k13 though, it's one of the many calculators and tools out there. Different calculators can give slightly different results. For example I am pure Eastern Euro on k13, on k15 and k36 I get some German / NW Euro.

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Only K13 has proper Hungarian averages, meaning based on dozens of samples in regional cases, and hundreds of samples on national case. Also I'm aware other nationalities also have more accurate averages on K13, not that many people cared to update the K15 and K36 averages yet. This is why I mostly focus on K13 Updated results, however as time goes by the other calculators can also be more improved, and hence become more reliable.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

compared to all TA users in database

Distance to: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)

4.44870768 Max_soldo(croat)
4.89381242 Alenka(South-Slav)
6.00872699 Incelslayer(romanian)
6.02183527 Madonna_father(rusyn)
6.14617767 Westcoast(croat)
6.29471207 Vlatko_vukovic(bosniak)
6.48310111 Kostej(slovak)
6.54676256 Manda(croat)
6.83155912 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
6.95222986 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.08863174 Stearsolina(Croat)
7.11726071 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.15285258 Universe(hungarian)
7.16827036 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
7.27025447 un4given(Croat)
7.56887046 Karol_father(slovak)
7.59667691 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.32470420 ph2ter_father(croat)
8.33754760 Viers(hungarian)
8.49187259 Feiichy_Father(croat)
8.51539782 Dušan(serb)
8.57960955 nuti(slovak)
8.73369910 Tschaikisten(serb)
8.80121014 Ford(serb)
8.80617965 Cordedwhelp_mom


Target: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
Distance: 0.6207% / 0.62074325

25.0 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
23.3 Polak(Polish+Ukrainian
18.6 All(silesian)
10.5 Dimadoe(russian)
8.9 dududud_mother(french/sardinian)
4.7 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
3.8 Thambi(Indian_south)
2.8 Lukasz(polish)
2.3 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
0.1 Visar(polish)

Your myheritage data is really similar, it won't make much difference IMO.
Btw, is it possible you have some Gypsy in family tree? Your south Asian is very high. Hungarians do get elevated south Asian from steppic admixture, but yours is above 3% which is above what I'd call ancient admixture, so I'm curious what's your take on that?

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I didn't have any Gypsy in my family. It's mystical for me too. But interestingly when it comes to Eurogenes K36, i just have 0,4% South Asian. And out of the three autosomal tests (23andMe, MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA) only the 23andMe gave me Northern Indian and Pakistani but only 0,2% and as a trace.

K15 has fundamental flaw which can't be improved with better sampling. North Sea and North Atlantic components are strongly overlapping and unstable.
Davidski tried to create Celtic vs Germanic component but failed because they're overly similar. Same applies to Baltic vs East Euro to a lesser extent (not so unstable as first two).

It's kinds of same flaw that Myheritage has, Balkan and East Euro/Baltic are too similar and can overlap/be assigned to people randomly.

K13 is at it's base better calculator, has clear separation of components compared to K15.

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Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

How do you know that i didn't have any Conqueror ancestry, just because that a calculator doesn't contain any Mongoloid? :)

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Well, I personally use Dodecad K12b more than anything else. It's clear your Mongoloid is max. 1 percent.

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Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

I didn't have any Gypsy in my family. It's mystical for me too. But interestingly when it comes to Eurogenes K36, i just have 0,4% South Asian. And out of the three autosomal tests (23andMe, MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA) only the 23andMe gave me Northern Indian and Pakistani but only 0,2% and as a trace.

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Well in that case it doesn't look like Gypsy admixture despite score is high. Do you score any west Asian on 23andme?

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Originally Posted by VarangianRUs

Yes my Paternal haplo is came from Jamtland and in dna test i get always scandinavian like ancestry i get 3% norwegian and in Myheritage genetic groups i get norway (innhered) . My Russian ancestry is mixed with Ukranian iam 14,6% Ukranian and Russian .

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Can I ask you what is your more recent ancestry, based on the ethnic origin of your grandparents or even great grandparents? How many of them are full Hungarian and how many of them are mixed with other ethnicities?

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Well in that case it doesn't look like Gypsy admixture despite score is high. Do you score any west Asian on 23andme?

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No i didn't have any!!!

My 23andMe results: 85,8% Eastern European, 12,0% Greek and Balkan, 1,9% Broadly European, 0,2% Trace Northern Indian, 0,1% Unassigned

But! Interestingly one of my MyHeritage results has a region which shows close relationship with Chechens! Although i have zero percent West Asia here too.

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Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

No i didn't have any!!!

My 23andMe results: 85,8% Eastern European, 12,0% Greek and Balkan, 1,9% Broadly European, 0,2% Trace Northern Indian, 0,1% Unassigned

But! Interestingly one of my MyHeritage results has a region which shows close relationship with Chechens! Although i have zero percent West Asia here too.

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Well in that case I don't think your south Asian comes from Gypsies. If you were admixed with them, you should have scored Middle Eastern too (Iranian/Mesopotamian or Anatolian). Your west Asian/East Med on gedmatch aren't elevated either. It might be it's from Hungarian steppic input and you happen to have maximum value.