Is a non-Black marrying a Black person something that requires a high amount of rebelliousness?

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Originally Posted by Incal

Last week I found this meme and I fucking loved it:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...36/190/03a.jpg

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A plainly stupid meme.

Refugees and illegal immigrants =/= Legal guest workers.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

This falls under "resources" tab i told above, they had nothing to get by sea that they lacked, unlike western europe.

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The Chinese certainly didn't have everything they needed in China. That's why they participated in the Silk Road both by land:

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Other lucrative commodities from the East included tea, dyes, perfumes, and porcelain; among Western exports were horses, camels, honey, wine, and gold.

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and sea:

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By the 10th to 13th centuries, the Song dynasty of China started building its own trading fleets, despite the traditional Chinese Confucian disdain for trade. This was partly due to the loss of access by the Song dynasty to the overland Silk Road. The Chinese fleets started sending trading expeditions to the region they referred to as Nan hai (Chinese: 南海; pinyin: Nánhǎi; lit. 'South Seas') (mostly dominated by the Srivijaya), venturing as far south as the Sulu Sea and the Java Sea. This led to the establishment of Chinese trading colonies in Southeast Asia, a boom in the maritime trade, and the emergence of the ports of "Chinchew" (Quanzhou) and "Canton" (Guangzhou) as regional trade centers in China.[3]

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Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

In the Western Hemisphere - especially very multiracial nations like the US and Brazil - White-Black marriages still often attract more stigma and criticism than other types of mixed marriages. Even the most hardcore WN at the very least wouldn't usually object quite as much to his/her child marrying an East Asian person compared to a Black person. (Assuming he hasn't married a Thai or Filipina himself. xD)

For that matter, in much of the Global South where neither White nor Black people are native or the dominant ethnic group - Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Mexico etc. - even the most conservative/tribalistic/nationalistic parents at the very least would usually find their child marrying a White person less objectionable than a Black person, even leaving aside those who'd outright praise it.

Therefore, does a non-Black person marrying a Black person need much more courage and rebelliousness than usual in much of the world?

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Did you include Japan in the Global South?

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Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Not true, because genetics are actually quite unpredictable: some would look (mostly) White, some (mostly) Black and some a 50/50 mix of both. You only have to look at countries like Cuba, DR and Brazil to see that large-scale mixing doesn't create anything like uniform looks.

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But Brazil and Cuba have very genetically heterogeneous regions, that's why there's so much phenotypical variation. Not so sure about the DR.

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Originally Posted by Etelfrido

Did you include Japan in the Global South?

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An error of mine, but it is still a non-white/non-Western nation.

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Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

An error of mine, but it is still a non-white/non-Western nation.

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I thought that could had been an idiosyncratic classification of yours akin to your inclusion of Southeast Asia into a broader East Asia.

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Originally Posted by Etelfrido

The Chinese certainly didn't have everything they needed in China.

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Indeed.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

they had nothing to get by sea that they lacked

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Originally Posted by Etelfrido

Silk Road and sea

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Indeed (land and sea) Silk Road is one of the oldest and most important trade routes in the world and one of the main reasons why Chinese never needed to invest big for exploring unknown seas, unlike europeans, who lost free access to spice trade after the emergence of Ottoman Empire.

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Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

An error of mine, but it is still a non-white/non-Western nation.

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I consider Taiwan, Japan and South Korea a part of American block rather than Western nation.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

Indeed.


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Indeed (land and sea) Silk Road is one of the oldest and most important trade routes in the world and one of the main reasons why Chinese never needed to invest big for exploring unknown seas, unlike europeans, who lost free access to spice trade after the emergence of Ottoman Empire.

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But although China hasn't tried to expand its territory by conquests as much as the Western and Islamic worlds, it has exported its culture to neighboring regions (hence the Sinosphere) by economical and military means in which China was to be considered the top of the hierarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tributary_system_of_China

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Originally Posted by Etelfrido

But although China hasn't tried to expand its territory by conquests as much as the Western and Islamic worlds, it has exported its culture to neighboring regions (hence the Sinosphere) by economical and military means in which China was to be considered the top of the hierarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tributary_system_of_China

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I have heard of the sinosphere. However, I haven’t researched enough to find out why Japan and Korea are considered the Sinosphere.
Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. being part of the Sinosphere is very understandable since they are Han Chinese dominant nations, but I don’t get Japan and Korea.

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Originally Posted by kessaras

I have heard of the sinosphere. However, I haven’t researched enough to find out why Japan and Korea are considered the Sinosphere.
Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. being part of the Sinosphere is very understandable since they are Han Chinese dominant nations, but I don’t get Japan and Korea.

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I don't think it's an ethnic concept but a cultural one. Those countries have been deeply influenced by Confucianism, Taoism, the Chinese imperial examination system, Chinese characters and much more.

A similar concept's the Indosphere, which encompasses Southeast Asian countries that have little to do with Indians genetically (except for some ancient admixture) but which owe their abugidas, Buddhism and Hindu influences (e.g. in architecture) to India, for example.