Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
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Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
It does exist, but it refers to linguistic background rather than ethnicity. Same as "tork" "kord" etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Man you are not even good at lying. You contradict yourself and your own arguments constantly.
If I speak to a Zaza or Yezidi they tell me too they are Yezidi or Zaza, in fact most of them don't even call themselves Zaza to begin with as I tried to explain it to your wannabe educated self. They call themselves mostly Kirmanj not even Zaza this alone goes against your "scientific" nonsense.
But to outsiders like 99% of them either introduce themselves as Kurd, or Turk/Iraqi (in the sense that they come from these countries or maybe even because of assimilation). But this is not exclusive to them but Kurds in general and it is rather a minority than the majority.
However coming from Iran but introducing yourself as Persian is on a entirely different level. Why would you introduce yourself as Persian and not Iranian? That is because they consider themselves as Persians and I made this experience.
There is not even a need for further discussion matter of fact is you are using double standards and make no fucking sense with your arguments. And I am sick of your bullshit. You can't have it both ways. If you go with self definition, there are much more Azeris that call themselves Persian than there are Yezidis/Zaza that consider themselves as seperate ethnicity. Yes they have a sense of being special cases but not seperate from the Kurdish cultural sphere.
Make out of this what you will but from now on I will not be sitting quietly next buy without exposing your nonsense.
All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
here an explanation: if an ethnicity exists outside of Iran, I will put the Ethnicity first and not second to keep it more clean.
Examples:
"Azerbaijani_Iran"
"Turkmen_Iran"
"Turkmen_Afghanistan"
"Kurd_Iran"
"Talysh_Azerbaijan"
"Talysh_Iran"
If the ethnicity is a group that only exists inside of Iran I will use:
"Iran_Lur"
"Iran_Mazandarani"
"Iran_Gilaki" etc..
Zero political agenda behind it. Stop acting so butthurt.
Stop flip flopping with your arguments
1. You say Yezidi and Zaza are not 100% proven Kurd because there are some that consider themselves differently? Guess what There are allot of Azeris that do consider themselves as Persian. And even less Azeris that would call themselves Azerbaijani.
2. You say historic definition is important? Fine historically these groups are clearly mentioned in the Kurdish ethno-cultural sphere and as Kurds.
You can't have it both ways so decide. Anything else makes you just look like a deceiving liar.
Your political agenda is widely visible the moment your start typing or open your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Azerbaijani is a term used to refer to citizens of the Azerbaijani state. Kurmanji is a linguistic definition. Yezidis speak Kurmanji you uneducated fool. By the fact that you differentiate with Kurd_ Kurmanji and Yezidi you are indirectly implying that A: they are different thing to Kurmanjis and B: they are not Kurds. Which both make scientificly zero sense.
By having Kurmanji and Sorani averages and calling them with the suffix Kurd you are implying that Zaza and Yezidis are not.
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All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision
Makes me wonder why Balkar, Karachay and Kumyk are just labeled as such and not with the Russia suffix since they only live there. Is it maybe because they are Turkic ethnicities and you saw it as important to distinguish them?
My whole point is if you do not want to appear political. A: you either take the Kurd suffix out of Kurmanji and Sorani or B: you put that suffix infront of Yezidi and Zaza. Otherwise you are implying that Yezidis are not Kurmanji speakers and Yezidis and Zaza are different from Kurds. Which is both a political statement. And the fact you took so much time defending your decisions make me highly doubt," you just didn't thought about it".
Please stop with your BS. Azerbaijan is an Iranian province. The term "Azeri" is used only since the Pahlavis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
Here translated from the Iranian wikipedia site:
https://i.imgur.com/EHDdasT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/q8tgDy2.png
"Azerbaijanis are generally known as "Azerbaijani Turks" (Azerbaijani: Azربrbaycan Türkləri). [43] [44] and are predominantly Shiite Muslims ."
Meanwhile Zaza-Gorani isn't even classified as a Kurdish language.
Stop clowning around. like 20-30% of Azeris live outside of the two provinces named Azerbaijan. You know that, yet you include Azeri samples from Qazvin or Qom in your Azerbaijani_Iran averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
The classification of Zaza_Gorani linguistically as non "Kurdish" (which here is just used as synonym for Kurmanji not even Sorani) is not a widely accepted fact but allot of modern linguists have a different opinion on that.
Also nice that you quote the most "scientific" source (Wikipedia) here.
+ linguistics is not the primary or only factor for the definition of an ethnicity.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethnic-groupQuote:
Ethnic group, a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.
The more you type the more you reveal yourself as the biased fool your are.
And I repeat
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision
It's good that you stop flip flopping around and started to show your real beta cuck face.
wtf I didn't made any of these averages. It's getting ridiculous now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :) As far as Kyp he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's other than German-Azeri but to me he seems like he likes to Turkify Azeris as much as possible where everything I've read indicates that Iranian Azeris are probably descended from the same genetic pool as Kurds. You can see it in the calculator oracles where Kurds sometimes get Azeri in 1st or 2nd position.
Having said this they do seem to both have a good interest in genetics but they need to expand their sphere of knowledge outside of Gedmatch and G25 and start reading more papers if they want to gain a better understanding of genetics.
And before you start to cite Wikipedia again.
Wikipedia does not consider itself as a reliable source. Even the founder says so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPa0vxC6NA0&t=240s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDn7wbwh-k&t=6s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...l%20the%20time.
Quote:
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error may eventually be fixed. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot monitor every contribution all the time. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself.
I have seen this quite allot. A website being used as source that quotes Wikipedia itself. To create the image that many sources agree with it lol.Quote:
Sources accepted as reliable for Wikipedia may in fact rely on Wikipedia as a reference source, sometimes indirectly. If the original information in Wikipedia was false, once it has been reported in sources considered reliable, Wikipedia may use them to reference the false information, giving an apparent respectability to a falsehood. This in turn increases the likelihood of the false information being reported in other media.[109] A known example is the Sacha Baron Cohen article, where false information added in Wikipedia was apparently used by two newspapers, leading to it being treated as reliable in Wikipedia.[110] This process of creating reliable sources for false facts has been termed "citogenesis" by webcomic artist Randall Munroe.[111][112][113]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_WikipediaQuote:
Somewhat related to the "information loop", but perhaps more worrisome, is the propagation of misinformation to other websites (Answers.com is just one of many) which will often quote misinformation from Wikipedia verbatim, and without mentioning that it has come from Wikipedia. A piece of misinformation originally taken from a Wikipedia article will live on in perhaps dozens of other websites, even if Wikipedia itself has deleted the unreliable material.[114]
Next time think twice before you cite Wikipedia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
I couldn't care less about their genetic work but for people who claim the labels are like this "because they didn't think much of it" They honestly take ALLOT of time to defend this decisions instead of just fixing it?
Ok I did indicate which ones were genetically Kurds and which were borderline Kurd-Azeri based on the IBD formal stats and other analysis however, the one I thought were Kurds didn't have the averages you posted which is why I thought it best for the authors to supply that type of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Wrt to Dodecad K12 who removed the Dodecad K12 creater Kurd averages because those averages where the ones consistent with Iraqi Kurds and the Soranis and Feylis posted on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog ?
I added some confirmed Iranian Kurds too from my spreadsheet (but not many) that's why the average is a bit different I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
The problem with the samples is, that it could probably include 1 or 2 Azeris while missing Kurds who were closer to the Central Iranian cluster, that's why I said it should not be added. I thought it would be interesting to see nonetheless.
I am Russian but a lot of those ethnicities are/were under Russian or Soviet rule. I grew up seeing a lot of Armenians, Azerbaijanis, later on Central Asians and other migrants joined them. I don't know why I have to explain this. TA doesn't have many West or Central Asians. How many Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Dagestanis, Georgians, etc. are there on this forum? And how many of them are interested in Dodecad or genetics in general?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
MOST of the original Dodecad spreadsheet is seriously inaccurate, largely due to the calculator effect. That was the reason why we started to update it.
Tajik:
Gedrosian: 28.19
Siberian: 5.17
Northwest_African: 0.11
Southeast_Asian: 1.37
Atlantic_Med: 3.88
North_European: 18.72
South_Asian: 8.52
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.87
East_Asian: 6.89
Caucasian: 23.37
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Tajik
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2
Target: Tajik_Dushanbe
Distance: 2.1082% / 2.10819410 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.9 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.5 Tajik_Herat
10.4 Tabasaran
2.2 Turkmen_TM
FINALLY something worthwhile in this sea of bullshit! Guys, if you don't like this calc, you are free to fucking LEAVE! Don't spam the thread with lengthy posts that do not contain actual Dodecad results. Otherwise we'll have to close this shit down.
He is most likely from elsewhere, or his parents were. Dushanbe was a majority Russian and Russian-speaking city until the 1980s. Russian, Tatars, Jews, Koreans and a minority of Uzbeks and Tajiks (educated in Russian-medium schools).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Y-DNA?
I have changed the Tajik references, it should be Tajik_Lowland (Hisar and Kulob) and Tajik_Mountain (Ayni). Luke hasn't updated them.
Looking at this part, something tells me some of those labeled Tajiks need to be removed or something..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
"Tajik_Balkh" and "Tajiks" will be removed. "Tajik_Tajikistan" will be split into two pops as per the source study. The rest are Afghans added by Mingle, I won't touch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Uyghur
Population
Gedrosia 17.29 Pct
Siberian 12.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 6.94 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.04 Pct
North_European 14.76 Pct
South_Asian 6.51 Pct
East_African 0.29 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.3 Pct
East_Asian 25.34 Pct
Caucasus 9.16 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Sara
7.34107622 Uyghur
10.09745017 Uzbeks
10.44833958 Hazara
11.12732223 Uzbek
13.48371981 Karakalpak
13.77626945 Turkmen_Afghanistan
14.07968750 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.34596783 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.83896759 Kazakh
20.57447691 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
20.95487771 Kyrgyz
24.10632075 Bashkir
24.16036424 Tajik_Balkh
24.19569177 Turkmen_Iran
24.19569177 Turkmen_Iran
26.16282286 Tajik_Tajikistan
26.59549774 Lipka_Tatar
27.44237235 Tajiks
27.86783271 Turkmen_TM
28.84360761 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
31.00669766 Tajik_Herat
31.21060397 Pamiri_Shughnan
31.25339662 Pamiri_Ishkashim
31.63252124 Tajik_Kabul
31.99579035 Pamiri_Rushan
Target: Sara
Distance: 1.2208% / 1.22080261 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.5 Uyghur
7.8 Irish
5.4 Jatt
5.3 Malay_Malaysia
Turk from Giresun:
Gedrosian: 14.04
Siberian: 7.72
Northwest_African: 1.02
Southeast_Asian: 1.63
Atlantic_Med: 10.36
North_European: 5.28
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.38
East_Asian: 5.56
Caucasian: 42.16
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Turk_Giresun
5.43255005 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.91546817 Turk_Central_East
7.44417893 Turk_South
8.71595089 Turk_Central_West
9.09064354 Turk_Southeast
9.19345963 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.64591105 Turk_East
10.56233402 Turk_Southwest
10.63946897 Azerbaijani
10.70004206 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.16383447 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.02019585 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.26285791 Armenian_East
13.27146940 Turk_Northwest
13.44653487 Iraq_Turkmen
13.64192069 Zaza
13.96894413 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.05742508 Armenian_West
14.56446360 Azeri_Jew
14.61757504 Greek_Cappadocia
14.69094959 Assyrian_West
14.70706633 Nusayri_Turkey
14.71945991 Assyrian_South
14.81340272 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.81850195 Assyrian_North
14.85922609 Turk_Cyprus
Target: Turk_Giresun
Distance: 2.7634% / 2.76335654 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
26.9 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.8 Assyrian_South
5.7 Evenk
That ratio of Asian to Steppe tho.. how? is it Mongol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
That is typical in Giresun, i have seen even less Euro with more east eurasian. I doubt that Mongols settled there, according Ottoman sources there were just few Mongol settlements in Anatolia, if we forget to question whether this population really was Mongolian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Maybe it is connected to low steppe admixture of pre-Turkics or the different admix components of Oghuz tribes since Giresun is mostly of Chepni origin.
Pontic Greeks can score as low as 1% NE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
If we consider that medieval Turks were more Asian than Steppe, and this persons native side being Pontic, then yes thats probably possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
His Caucasian is a bit higher than other Giresun-samples too. Either his Turkic side was far more east eurasian than we expect about Oghuzes or his Turkic side had lower steppe than we expect from Turkics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
^Genes can also recombine randomly
Average Armenians from Iran n=7 (Tabriz, Saveh and Isfahan)
thanks @Harut
Gedrosian: 18.52
Siberian: 0.12
Northwest_African: 0.38
Southeast_Asian: 0.06
Atlantic_Med: 10.34
North_European: 5.82
South_Asian: 1.05
East_African: 0.02
Southwest_Asian: 13.44
East_Asian: 0.18
Caucasus: 50.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Armenian_Iran
1.70111728 Armenian_East
4.38869001 Armenian_West
5.28240476 Turk_East
5.80969018 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.13559288 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.20474818 Turk_Ahiska
6.69495332 Greek_Pontus
7.25032413 Assyrian_North
7.34986394 Hemshin
7.37756057 Azeri_Jew
7.51901589 Assyrian_West
7.81593884 Assyrian_South
8.34858072 Laz
9.80717594 Georgian
10.05178591 Zaza
10.44850229 Georgian_Adjara
10.80492018 Iranian_Jew
10.90518684 Georgian_Turkey
10.96802626 Kurdish_Jew
11.25721546 Greek_Cappadocia
11.41387314 Mandean
11.57908891 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.84491452 Iraqi_Jew
11.87194592 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.11809391 Kurd_Kurmanji
Target: Armenian_Iran
Distance: 0.7525% / 0.75253059 | ADC: 0.5x RC
81.2 Armenian_East
9.8 Kurd_KAZ
9.0 Georgian_Adjara
Target: Armenian_Iran
Distance: 1.7011% / 1.70111728 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Armenian_East
Makes sense, they are Eastern Armenian speakers.
Some of my closer distant relatives I've found on GedmatchQuote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Pontic Greek1
Population
Gedrosia 12.11Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 1.07Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.36Pct
North_European 6.84Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 12.63Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 51.99Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto:Pontic Greek1
5.74864332 Greek_Pontus
5.81647660 Greek_Cappadocia
6.42105910 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.24123608 Armenian_East
8.13049199 Armenian_West
9.46791424 Hemshin
10.09984653 Laz
10.20366111 Turk_East
11.13763889 Turk_Ahiska
11.36725561 Assyrian_West
12.05055600 Assyrian_North
12.16008224 Assyrian_South
12.31993912 Nusayri_Turkey
12.45267040 Greek_Cypriot
12.63078778 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.65098020 Azeri_Jew
13.28501035 Turk_Cyprus
13.53126380 Georgian_Adjara
13.65810382 Georgian
14.19001057 Turk_Central_East
14.31887565 Georgian_Turkey
14.34159336 Lebanese_Christian
14.69000000 Greek_Rhodes
14.90300305 Kurdish_Jew
15.33222750 Greek_Kos
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 0.9540% / 0.95399738 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Greek_Pontus
27.7 Greek_Icaria
8.7 Georgian_Gurian
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 2.1929% / 2.19286423 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Greek_Cappadocia
34.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.6 Greek_Pontus
Pontic Greek2
Population
Gedrosia 16.56Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.69Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.25Pct
Atlantic_Med 18.68Pct
North_European 1.83Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian13.1Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 47.89Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek2
6.84258723 Greek_Cappadocia
7.53796392 Armenian_West
9.39740922 Armenian_East
9.54408194 Assyrian_West
9.88007591 Nusayri_Turkey
9.96209315 Greek_Pontus
10.17454176 Assyrian_North
10.18214123 Assyrian_South
10.56300620 Turk_East
10.75266944 Azeri_Jew
10.94975799 Greek_Cypriot
11.05056560 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.57311815 Kurdish_Jew
12.63060964 Lebanese_Christian
12.66985398 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.70537288 Iraqi_Jew
12.86837208 Iranian_Jew
12.88944142 Turk_Cyprus
13.32281502 Hemshin
13.44906688 Mandean
13.87577746 Turk_Central_East
14.08894957 Laz
14.25704387 Greek_Rhodes
14.49975862 Turk_Ahiska
14.85363592 Lebanese_Muslim
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.1645% / 3.16451833 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.7 Armenian_West
23.5 Georgian_Adjara
14.8 Sardinian
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.9951% / 3.99514937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.5 Armenian_West
11.5 Sardinian
Pontic Greek3
Population
Gedrosia 13.45Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.08Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.81Pct
North_European 9.27Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 11.25Pct
East_Asian 0.37Pct
Caucasus 49.77Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek3
5.91746567 Greek_Cappadocia
7.31462234 Armenian_East
8.06803570 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.30868822 Greek_Pontus
8.61440073 Turk_East
9.27535983 Armenian_West
10.75340876 Turk_Ahiska
10.91359702 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.11412615 Hemshin
11.57479589 Laz
11.83189757 Turk_Central_East
12.38883772 Assyrian_West
12.51115902 Turk_Cyprus
12.92238755 Assyrian_North
12.96984580 Nusayri_Turkey
13.10950800 Assyrian_South
13.12443523 Greek_Cypriot
13.22812156 Georgian
13.38963405 Azeri_Jew
13.41841645 Greek_Rhodes
13.59547351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.83767321 Greek_Kos
13.95262341 Turk_Central_West
14.39479767 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.60433155 Turk_Southeast
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 0.8025% / 0.80254261 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.1 Greek_Cappadocia
29.9 Georgian_Gurian
9.0 Albanian
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 1.7361% / 1.73614850 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.4 Greek_Cappadocia
18.4 Abkhazian
8.2 Ossetian
From which region? They seem more Anatolian shifted, higher Atlantic Med than Turks, ARmenians or others in that region from what I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian
My new results using my 23andme raw DNA. This makes a lot more sense. My Qashqai heritage seems to be way more obvious now.
Gedrosia 26.94 Pct
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.82 Pct
North_European 7.56 Pct
South_Asian 5.64 Pct
East_African 0.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.24 Pct
East_Asian 2.01 Pct
Caucasus 38.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.25 Pct
Target:
Distance: 2.9201% / 2.92007076 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.1 Iranian
30.9 Iranian_Fars
11.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.1 Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.9 Yoruba
Target:
Distance: 3.7704% / 3.77035587 | ADC: 1x RC
42.1 Iranian_Fars
33.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
24.7 Iranian
MY ANCESTRY DNA RESULTS
Gedrosia 28.77 Pct
Siberian 0.33 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.88 Pct
North_European 6.02 Pct
South_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 37.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.24 Pct
Target: c
Distance: 1.7373% / 1.73733831 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.7 Iranian
23.5 Lur_Iran
14.6 Iranian_Fars
10.9 Iran_Bandari
1.3 Yoruba
Target: c
Distance: 2.7658% / 2.76583091 | ADC: 1x RC
51.5 Iranian_Fars
48.5 Iranian
I can't tell for sure which regions they are from or even if they have some recent anatolian greek ancestry. I assume they are full Pontians due to their high % Caucasian, correct me if i am wrong. So far i have seen Pontic Greek not that much different from the average Greek_Pontus and others being more anatolian shifted. All of them are between 10%-15% Atlanto Med. Here is another exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Population
Gedrosia 13.22 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.44 Pct
North_European 4.25 Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 13.07 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 53.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto:Pontic Greek4
3.80193372 Greek_Pontus
5.52859838 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.22262418 Armenian_West
7.29174876 Greek_Cappadocia
7.39435596 Armenian_East
8.09628310 Hemshin
8.79368523 Laz
10.72182354 Assyrian_West
11.17282865 Turk_East
11.20469544 Turk_Ahiska
11.34113310 Assyrian_North
11.50753666 Assyrian_South
12.03001663 Azeri_Jew
12.09430031 Georgian_Adjara
12.86970474 Nusayri_Turkey
13.16019757 Georgian_Turkey
13.32818067 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.42832827 Greek_Cypriot
13.82857187 Georgian
14.36424380 Kurdish_Jew
14.56576466 Lebanese_Christian
14.78948613 Iraqi_Jew
15.09886751Iranian_Jew
15.16895843 Georgian_Imereti
15.23632173 Turk_Cyprus
Target: Pontic Greek4
Distance: 1.2486% / 1.24860687 | ADC: 0.25x RC
90.2 Greek_Pontus
5.5 Sardinian
4.3 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: Pontic Greek4
Distance: 1.6278% / 1.62776951 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.4 Greek_Pontus
32.6 Greek_Cappadocia
Another individual who scores Greek_Pontus Greek_Cappadocia
Population
Gedrosia 13.09 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African-
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 16.33 Pct
North_European 4.32 Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 13.32 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 52.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek5
5.09467369 Greek_Pontus
6.26924238 Greek_Cappadocia
6.75715917 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.55226456 Armenian_West
7.98550562 Armenian_East
9.35759585 Hemshin
10.02403611 Laz
10.86333742 Assyrian_West
11.45742990 Turk_East
11.55719257 Assyrian_North
11.68735214 Assyrian_South
12.17833322 Turk_Ahiska
12.28813656 Azeri_Jew
12.34552146 Nusayri_Turkey
12.49977600 Greek_Cypriot
13.27554519 Georgian_Adjara
13.69970803 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.13909827 Lebanese_Christian
14.35710974 Georgian_Turkey
14.46685522 Kurdish_Jew
14.48201298 Turk_Cyprus
14.82285060 Iraqi_Jew
14.86949226 Georgian
15.21027942 Iranian_Jew
15.80185432 Turk_Central_East
Target: Pontic Greek5
Distance: 1.6017% / 1.60174154 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.8 Greek_Pontus
7.2 Sardinian
7.0 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: Pontic Greek5
Distance: 2.1064% / 2.10643426 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.0 Greek_Pontus
44.0 Greek_Cappadocia
Never saw Pontic Greeks with more than 6% NE, not even Cappadocian Greeks have 9% NE.
Interesting Azerbaijani result - Ancestors from Sarab (Iranian Azerbaijan), Shamakhy and Absheron
Gedrosia 23.02
Siberian 3.5
Northwest_African-
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 8.31
North_European 11.6
South_Asian 2.77
East_African 0.9
Southwest_Asian 10.95
East_Asian 2.65
Caucasus 35.84
Sub_Saharan 0.47
Iranian Kurd
Gedrosian: 25.72
Siberian: 0.79
Northwest_African: 2.19
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.96
North_European: 6.83
South_Asian: 2.10
East_African: 1.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.89
Caucasian: 36.99
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Iranian Kurd
Gedrosian: 26.38
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.48
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.09
North_European: 6.61
South_Asian: 1.46
East_African: 1.54
Southwest_Asian: 12.16
East_Asian: 1.91
Caucasian: 40.38
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
50%Iranian Kurd +50% Persian/Azeri Seyyed
Gedrosian: 24.03
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.18
Atlantic_Med: 12.82
North_European: 8.17
South_Asian: 0.78
East_African: 1.11
Southwest_Asian: 13.20
East_Asian: 2.97
Caucasian: 36.40
Sub_Saharan: 0.53