Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Not sure about this one, the kit is on someone else's account (not West Asian) and it doesn't appear in the search. There are some strange African scores here.

Gedrosia 23.25 Pct
Siberian 1.58 Pct
Northwest_African 1.54 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.75 Pct
North_European 7.41 Pct
South_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_African 1.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.05 Pct
East_Asian 2.75 Pct
Caucasus 36.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: MH
4.54311567 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.14888337 Kurd_Sorani
5.26883289 Azerbaijani
5.28933833 Yazidi_Kurd
5.29701803 Turkmen_Iraq
5.38504410 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.54786445 Iranian_Fars
6.71846709 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.09726708 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.22362098 Zaza_Kurd

Target: MH
Distance: 0.9200% / 0.91999879 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.9 Azerbaijani
38.6 Iranian_Fars
5.8 Turk_Southeast
3.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.6 Turkmen_Iraq
1.3 Algerian

Target: MH
Distance: 1.2589% / 1.25890390 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Iranian_Fars
38.1 Azerbaijani
11.2 Turkmen_Iraq
5.4 Balkan_Gypsy
4.3 Azerbaijani_Iran


Someone from Turkey, might be a Turkified Kartvelian

G2a1a1
T2b2b

Gedrosia 20.18 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.58 Pct
North_European 7.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.63 Pct
East_Asian 1.13 Pct
Caucasus 59.77 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: y
3.23153214 Georgian_Imereti
4.14097815 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.31732556 Georgian
4.55589728 Georgian_Gurian
5.49216715 Georgian_Svan
6.59210133 Georgian_Adjara
7.32430884 Abkhazian
8.71624919 Laz
8.74515294 Turk_Ahiska
9.40298357 Hemshin

Target: y
Distance: 2.7748% / 2.77484558
83.3 Georgian_Mingrelian
7.1 Iranian_Mazandaran
4.9 Georgian_Adjara
2.7 Georgian_Imereti
2.0 Kuwait2

Target: y
Distance: 2.9113% / 2.91126053 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Georgian_Imereti
44.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.7 Iranian_Mazandaran

Apparently someone who is half Pamiri half Russian. May as well be an adoptee

Gedrosia 18.91 Pct
Siberian 3.95 Pct
Northwest_African 0.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.22 Pct
North_European 39.59 Pct
South_Asian 5.99 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.52 Pct
Caucasus 14.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Kara
Distance: 1.3769% / 1.37694860 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.3 Pamiri_Rushan
40.4 Russian_Oryol
8.3 Tatar_Mishar

Distance to: Kara
1.00926880 51.60% Pamiri_Shughnan + 48.40% Russian_Ryazan
1.19455316 52.60% Pamiri_Shughnan + 47.40% Russian_Oryol
1.20426405 52.40% Pamiri_Rushan + 47.60% Russian_Ryazan
1.34054084 45.00% Belorussian + 55.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
1.36475384 54.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 45.20% Russian_Smolensk
1.40257970 44.40% Belarus_Minsk + 55.60% Pamiri_Shughnan
1.45815568 52.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 47.20% Russian_Kursk
1.47757998 53.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 46.20% Russian_Voronezh
1.55826866 43.80% Belarus_Minsk + 56.20% Pamiri_Rushan
1.58871588 49.20% Pamiri_Ishkashim + 50.80% Russian_Oryol

Too bad I don't have a photo of this female.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?

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Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2.5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34,11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1.09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1.63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5.55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57,11.78,0,34.56,0.1

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I crunched some numbers when i saw how familiar the Khuzestan result looked and found the khuzestan is my ancestryDNA kit and my aunts kit averaged together. idk how accurate that makes it. I hope he didn't just average together 2 people from the same family for every result that would skew the results.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

I score 3% on this calculator, how would that make me 30%-50% Anatolian Turk?

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Of course you are not 50% Anatolian Turk, you did clearly understand that 3% east eurasian can be 30% Turkish and 5% can be 50% Turkish. Since you are an Iraqi Kurd it could be you have a distant Iraqi Turkmen ancestor which doesn’t make you Turkish or whatever. This was about Alevi so therefore about Turkey Kurds, not about Iraqi Kurds. Alevism emerged from Turkish sectarian groups as an important part of their Turkish identity, so it is understandable that some Alevi Kurds can have distant Turkish ancestry, but still they are Kurds and genetically clustering as a Kurdish group. They aren’t Turks obviously. On the other hand many Alevi Kurds are heavily Armenian shifted, which also does not mean they are Armenians, everyone who is considering him or herself as Kurd is a Kurd.

Not sure if he belongs in this thread but here is a Buryat sample. About 88% East Eurasian/Mongoloid

C2-M407
D4j

Gedrosia 3.79 Pct
Siberian 42.92 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 0.07 Pct
North_European 5 Pct
South_Asian 1.42 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 44.34 Pct
Caucasus 2.1 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: vb
2.88470102 Buryat
5.03125233 Khamnigan
9.77529028 Kalmyk
10.27432236 Mongol_Uuld
10.74429616 Negidal
10.98430699 Oroqen
12.17867398 Nanai
12.39650354 Mongol_Khalkh
12.89053141 Tuvan
14.63152760 Altaian_Telengit

Target: vb
Distance: 1.7540% / 1.75396212 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.0 Buryat
26.8 Negidal
11.2 Shor
7.0 Nivh

Target: vb
Distance: 2.1967% / 2.19669781 | ADC: 0.5x RC
90.1 Buryat
7.4 Nivh
2.5 Negidal

I believe the Buryats are basically a Mongol tribe that migrated northwards and mixed with some local tribes up there.

@Leto do you have half Russian or half Iranian + half Altaian or half Kirgiz samples?

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Originally Posted by Gecko

@Leto do you have half Russian or half Iranian + half Altaian or half Kirgiz samples?

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Half Iranian probably not. I've seen a few half Kazakh half Russian samples. And half Kyrgyz too. I think I might've posted them in the previous threads. I also have a family where the wife is half Kalmyk and their son is quarter Kalmyk. Why? You think they look proto-Turkic?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Half Iranian probably not. I've seen a few half Kazakh half Russian samples. And half Kyrgyz too. I think I might've posted them in the previous threads. I also have a family where the wife is half Kalmyk and their son is quarter Kalmyk. Why? You think they look proto-Turkic?

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Haha no i am quite interesting in to this mixed individuals. I already know this Russian-Kalmyk family which you once posted. But I am not sure about the others so i think i need to look at the old threads. Half Iranian half Altaian for instance would be like a Uzbek or Uyghur but i doubt it would look like a Proto-Turkic sample. Sergei Shoigu is an interesting mix (Russian mother and Tuvan father), although he is half Russian he looks like an Uzbek for me. But he would be too European comparing to early Turkics.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Haha no i am quite interesting in to this mixed individuals. I already know this Russian-Kalmyk family which you once posted. But I am not sure about the others so i think i need to look at the old threads. Half Iranian half Altaian for instance would be like a Uzbek or Uyghur but i doubt it would look like a Proto-Turkic sample. Sergei Shoigu is an interesting mix (Russian mother and Tuvan father), although he is half Russian he looks like an Uzbek for me. But he would be too European comparing to early Turkics.

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Okay.
Yep, Sergey Shoigu is about 42-44% Mongoloid, his mother was from Oryol oblast, very low Mong, 2-3%. And Tuvans are in the low 80s, I believe. But even his daughters look quite Mongoloid, I don't know much about his wife, barely any photos of her on the internet. Presumably Russian.

I think a Dagestani-Kalmyk mix would be something similar to Central Asians. There are numerous resettled Dargins in Kalmykia, so that kind of mix probably exists somewhere out there. The current head of Kalmykia is half Kalmyk half Tatar himself, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay.
Yep, Sergey Shoigu is about 42-44% Mongoloid, his mother was from Oryol oblast, very low Mong, 2-3%. And Tuvans are in the low 80s, I believe . But even his daughters look quite Mongoloid, I don't know much about his wife, barely any photos of her on the internet. Presumably Russian.

I think a Dagestani-Kalmyk mix would be something similar to Central Asians. There are numerous resettled Dargins in Kalmykia, so that kind of mix probably exists somewhere out there. The current head of Kalmykia is half Kalmyk half Tatar himself, I believe.

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So Is Sergey Shoigu real Turk???? :eek::eek3::eek::shocked::eek3:
Actually Sergey Shoigu doesn't look mongoloid
He looks normal eurasian
He reminds me Nasser Hejazi he is ethnic Iranian Azerbaijan Turk
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...-WVTyFLrY&s=10

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

So Is Sergey Shoigu real Turk???? :eek::eek3::eek::shocked::eek3:
Actually Sergey Shoigu doesn't look mongoloid
He looks normal eurasian
He reminds me Nasser Hejazi he is ethnic Iranian Azerbaijan Turk
[img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa5-XBt_pDHIQxQa7AZdcnNgEIAHu8gBSj-HTzV6hL64KQNn-WVTyFLrY&s=10

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Agree, he doesn't look similar to full Tuvans
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...5x5-300dpi.jpg

Turk 50% from Kocaeli (Northwest) 50% Yörük from Manisa(Aegean):

Gedrosia: 11.56
Siberian: 4.23
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 13.95
North_European: 17.74
South_Asian: 2.27
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.47
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasus: 34.93
SSA: 1.15

Distance to: Turk_KocaeliYorük
5.57053857 Turk_Northwest
5.90441360 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.13877838 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
7.09532945 Turk_Southwest
8.39847605 Turk_Central_West
9.76371855 Turk_South
11.00287235 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.08228767 Turk_Central_East
12.70753320 Turk_Southeast
12.75241938 Greek_Lemnos
12.84647033 Greek_Crete
13.00059999 Kabardin
13.35502153 Greek_Izmir
13.40755384 Greek_Fournoi
13.60672995 Turk_Trakya
13.84506049 Greek_Foca
14.21526996 Azerbaijani
14.41903603 Italian_Apulia
14.46977885 Kumyk
14.60551266 Abazin
14.73037338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.11289185 Greek_Kos
15.29967974 Turk_Cyprus
15.30493385 Moldovan_Jewish
15.47102776 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_KocaeliYorük
Distance: 3.3828% / 3.38281849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
48.6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


Turk from Kayseri:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Turkey.svg.png

Gedrosia: 16.61
Siberian: 0.61
NW_African: 1.16
SE_Asian: 0.77
Atlantic_Med: 12.80
North_European: 9.26
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 15.42
East_Asian: 3.05
Caucasus: 40.32
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Turk_Kayseri
5.17320984 Turk_Southeast
5.34073029 Turk_Central_East
6.89143672 Turk_Central_West
7.44644210 Turk_East
7.56733771 Azerbaijani
7.57749299 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.67488762 Turk_South
8.16685374 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.67827748 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.10958836 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.47143073 Udi
9.60610743 Zaza_Kurd
9.77142262 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.93204913 Turkmen_Iraq
10.17347040 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.37422286 Nusayri_Turkey
10.56513133 Turk_Southwest
10.74002328 Turk_Cyprus
10.82817159 Lebanese_Muslim
10.85379657 Armenian_East
11.01901538 Assyrian_West
11.08612195 Azeri_Jew
11.08733512 Kurd_Sorani
11.15236298 Assyrian_South
11.22647318 Assyrian_North


Target: Turk_Kayseri
Distance: 2.9117% / 2.91170833 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.8 Turk_Southeast
18.3 Greek_Kos
15.5 Assyrian_West
5.4 Turk_East

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Turk 50% Manav-Yörük from Kocaeli (Northwest) 50% Yörük from Manisa(Aegean):

Gedrosia: 11.56
Siberian: 4.23
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 13.95
North_European: 17.74
South_Asian: 2.27
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.47
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasus: 34.93
SSA: 1.15

Distance to: Turk_KocaeliYorük
5.57053857 Turk_Northwest
5.90441360 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.13877838 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
7.09532945 Turk_Southwest
8.39847605 Turk_Central_West
9.76371855 Turk_South
11.00287235 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.08228767 Turk_Central_East
12.70753320 Turk_Southeast
12.75241938 Greek_Lemnos
12.84647033 Greek_Crete
13.00059999 Kabardin
13.35502153 Greek_Izmir
13.40755384 Greek_Fournoi
13.60672995 Turk_Trakya
13.84506049 Greek_Foca
14.21526996 Azerbaijani
14.41903603 Italian_Apulia
14.46977885 Kumyk
14.60551266 Abazin
14.73037338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.11289185 Greek_Kos
15.29967974 Turk_Cyprus
15.30493385 Moldovan_Jewish
15.47102776 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_KocaeliYorük
Distance: 3.3828% / 3.38281849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
48.6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

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High NE:thumb001: but her/his east eurasian looks low for Yoruks :confused:

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

High NE:thumb001: but her/his east eurasian looks low for Yoruks :confused:

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I think the Kocaeli side probably has high European but lower East Eurasian.

Palestinians (Muslim women)

Gedrosia 8.53 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Northwest_African 6.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.43 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 6.64 Pct
Southwest_Asian 24.93 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 32.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.49 Pct

Distance to: Fatima
6.16120930 Jordanian_Muslim
6.53803487 Palestinian
6.87480589 Egyptian
10.07552480 Syrian_Muslim
10.68712777 Lebanese_Muslim
11.69610191 Jordanian_Christian
11.91570812 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.02454157 Coptic
12.36518095 Palestinian_Christian
13.44484660 Iraqi_Arab

Target: Fatima
Distance: 2.5470% / 2.54698298 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.8 Jordanian_Muslim
36.4 Egyptian
7.7 Sardinian
4.1 Bedouin


Gedrosia 9.89 Pct
Siberian 1.6 Pct
Northwest_African 5.79 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.04 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 1.44 Pct
East_African 5.42 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.25 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.66 Pct

Distance to: Yasmine
3.74358117 Jordanian_Muslim
3.89520218 Palestinian
5.78175579 Syrian_Muslim
7.14009804 Lebanese_Muslim
7.74437215 Jordanian_Christian
7.75523049 Syrian_SW_Christian
8.16896566 Palestinian_Christian
9.80471315 Lebanese_Christian
9.87610247 Iraqi_Arab
10.60712289 Egyptian

Target: Yasmine
Distance: 2.3616% / 2.36155615 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.4 Jordanian_Muslim
28.6 Kurdish_Jew
27.0 Coptic

A Lak with roots from Gazi Kumukh, Dagestan. Picture (don't quote): https://imgur.com/F1mAEJN

Gedrosia 24.05 Pct
Siberian 2.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 23.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.88 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Caucasus 38.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Magomed
3.54443225 Lak
4.27560522 Lezgin
4.93948378 Tabasaran
4.98558923 Kaitag_Dagestan
5.01140699 Avar
5.19386176 Chechen
5.22971319 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.73996516 Kumyk
6.67820335 Dargin
7.99165815 Ingush
9.58469092 Kabardin
10.00101995 Balkar
10.37935451 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.79413267 Karachay
10.88906332 Abazin
11.25838354 Circassian
11.66128638 Adyghe
12.68782487 Ossetian
15.70832263 Ossetian_South
17.19315561 Azerbaijani
17.51545032 Azerbaijani_Turkey
17.68097000 Azerbaijani_Iran
17.86961387 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
18.13957001 Iranian_Khorasan
18.44940107 Talysh_Azerbaijan

The Lak results are very interesting!


A Palestinian American author
https://facebook.com/AuthorLeilaKirk...&source=result

Gedrosia 8.67 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
Northwest_African 4.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.08 Pct
North_European 5.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.71 Pct
Southwest_Asian 22.04 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Caucasus 38.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: LeilaK
6.94064118 Greek_Cypriot
7.15051047 Turk_Cyprus
7.61373758 Nusayri_Turkey
7.83257301 Lebanese_Christian
7.89236340 Palestinian_Christian
8.01570334 Jordanian_Christian
8.35814573 Syrian_SW_Christian
8.49232595 Lebanese_Muslim
8.92745204 Palestinian
9.98427764 Greek_Rhodes

Target: LeilaK
Distance: 1.9786% / 1.97861335 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.2 Palestinian_Christian
39.7 Italian_Jews
11.1 Palestinian
3.0 Turk_Cyprus

Looks like she has some European ancestry.

Leto will like:

Syrian Kurd from the same tribe of the other Syrian Kurd with high NE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fwan_(tribe)

Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67
South Asian: 2.14
East_African: 0.22
SW_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasus: 35.36
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Syrian_Kurd
6.59665824 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.70196240 Azerbaijani
7.77931874 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.32583930 Turk_Southeast
8.39402764 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.35580034 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.89650443 Turk_South
10.22015655 Yazidi_Kurd
10.45696897 Zaza_Kurd
10.46139092 Turk_Central_East
10.49549427 Turk_Central_West
10.50460375 Kurd_Sorani
10.85695630 Iranian_Khorasan
10.94284698 Turkmen_Iraq
11.09584156 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.32789919 Kumyk
11.34820250 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.62978504 Turk_Southwest
11.70110679 Iranian_Fars
11.84419689 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.27401727 Iranian_Kerman
12.57381008 Turk_Northwest
12.59396284 Udi
12.99192826 Kurd_Feyli
13.10694091 Lezgin

Target: Syrian_Kurd
Distance: 2.9945% / 2.99453429 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Azerbaijani
10.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.2 Tabasaran
7.4 Pomak_Greece

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Leto will like:
[B]


Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67

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How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

Some interesting 2 way results:
Distance to: syrian
3.12522967 51.20% Dargin + 48.80% Syrian_Muslim
3.31274110 36.40% Jordanian_Muslim + 63.60% Lezgin
3.34351657 53.60% Avar + 46.40% Syrian_Muslim
3.37960420 63.00% Lezgin + 37.00% Palestinian
3.38929324 45.40% Syrian_Muslim + 54.60% Tabasaran
3.40497248 59.60% Lezgin + 40.40% Syrian_Muslim

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Yep, that looks like recent European ancestry to me.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

Some interesting 2 way results:
Distance to: syrian
3.12522967 51.20% Dargin + 48.80% Syrian_Muslim
3.31274110 36.40% Jordanian_Muslim + 63.60% Lezgin
3.34351657 53.60% Avar + 46.40% Syrian_Muslim
3.37960420 63.00% Lezgin + 37.00% Palestinian
3.38929324 45.40% Syrian_Muslim + 54.60% Tabasaran
3.40497248 59.60% Lezgin + 40.40% Syrian_Muslim

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this is the result I forgot East African:

Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67
South Asian: 2.14
East_African: 0.22
SW_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasus: 35.36
SSA: 0.00


the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

this is the result I forgot East African:



the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)

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Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan

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Originally Posted by Leto

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.

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Someone from a kurdish site mentioned that prior kurdish NE-record (of their group) was from the same tribe. I assumed it was that result. But you are right it probably isn't then.

According to the person he is 100% Kurdish.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan

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It has nothing to do with a Dagestani ancestry. There’s quite a bit of variation in kurds as you will find out when you start seeing alot of kurd results.

For example this 100% kurd from Iraq whose parents and grandparents are very well known to me from the Balata tribe has this result. It has nothing to do with a NE European recent ancestor. They’ll laugh at you if you even suggest it

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.15
2 Gedrosia 24.54
3 Southwest_Asian 14.38
4 North_European 9.81
5 Atlantic_Med 5.98
6 South_Asian 2.82
7 Northwest_African 1.51
8 Southeast_Asian 1.27
9 East_Asian 0.65
10 Siberian 0.56
11 Sub_Saharan 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.18
2 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.24
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.37
4 Iranians (Behar) 8.15
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.12
6 Turks (Behar) 13.17
7 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.37
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 15.42
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 16.25
10 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.57
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 16.61
12 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.88
13 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.19
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.78
15 Lebanese (Behar) 18.04
16 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.15
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 19.06
18 Syrians (Behar) 19.91
19 Lezgins (Behar) 20.57
20 Druze (HGDP) 22.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 27.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.05
2 91.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 8.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.23
3 92.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.31
4 92.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.33
5 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.34
6 93% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.34
7 92.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.35
8 93.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.4
9 92.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.5
10 93.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.53
11 88.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.53
12 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.54
13 93.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
14 87.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 12.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.57
15 90.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 9.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.65
16 88.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.68
17 93.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.74
18 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.74
19 93.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.75
20 92.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.84

@Zoro Yeah, outliers are to be expected, especially for such a large ethnic group. The person Kyp posted is probably one of them.

I thought about Dagestanis mainly because I remembered the article Ratcat (RIP:() posted about lezgin and chechen who moved to that area and assimilated into the local population.

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.

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He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

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Originally Posted by Leto

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

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an incident, which if I am not mistaken, was completely fabricated.

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Originally Posted by Leto

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

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Do you know whether the ban is permanent?

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Do you know whether the ban is permanent?

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I think it is but he can always return with a new account, that's not uncommon on this forum.

A Armenian with some European ancestry

J-ZS1282
HV1b

Gedrosia 15.4 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.9 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.78 Pct
North_European 13.21 Pct
South_Asian 0.34 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 40.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Marat
7.81136352 Turk_Central_East
8.04475606 Turk_Central_West
8.17268622 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.65785173 Turk_Southeast
9.84541010 Turk_East
10.02729774 Turk_South
10.19892641 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.77137410 Greek_Crete
10.83275588 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.85494357 Turk_Southwest

Target: Marat
Distance: 1.5612% / 1.56118275 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Greek_Izmir
36.2 Udi
12.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
3.8 Chechen
1.4 Cambodians

Target: Marat
Distance: 2.4353% / 2.43534691 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.1 Greek_Crete
32.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
18.5 Turk_East

Target: Marat
Distance: 0.9339% / 0.93394161 | R3P
80.0 Armenian_East
17.8 Irish
2.2 Cambodians

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Leto will like:

Syrian Kurd from the same tribe of the other Syrian Kurd with high NE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fwan_(tribe)

Target: Syrian_Kurd
Distance: 2.9945% / 2.99453429 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Azerbaijani
10.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.2 Tabasaran
7.4 Pomak_Greece

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This tribe indeed very interesting, I often said here that I would really like to see some Risvan results. Many, maybe most Central Anatolian Kurds, who were settled in 19th century, are belonging to Risvan tribe. I know this tribe from old narratives of Central Anatolian Turkmens, who were deported to Syrian desert and the Risvan tribe tried to help them. If I am not wrong i posted here A Risvani from Aksaray with roots from SE-Anatolia, but he was just a regular Kurd genetically and not highly Euro influenced.

Ankara/Çubuk

Gedrosia 14.35 Pct
Siberian 5.79 Pct
Northwest_African 0.39 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.68 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 14.31 Pct
South_Asian 2.01 Pct
East_African 0.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.20 Pct
East_Asian 2.09 Pct
Caucasus 34.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.12 Pct

Target: Test
Distance: 1.9110% / 1.91098410 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.2 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.5 Turkmen_Iraq
8.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
6.4 Kuwait1
5.8 Udmurt
1.0 Cambodians

Distance to: Test
5.09127685 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.47418487 Turk_Southwest
5.71490157 Turk_Northwest
5.78223140 Turk_Central_West
6.14017915 Turk_South
7.96028266 Turk_Central_East
8.09229263 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.49952940 Turk_Southeast
10.08376418 Azerbaijani
10.70500817 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.77198682 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77495648 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.56635588 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.07677330 Kabardin
14.00087497 Kumyk
14.00611295 Turk_East
14.26564404 Abazin
14.38197831 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48916147 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.74221150 Greek_Crete
14.74744046 Turk_Cyprus
15.23733573 Zaza_Kurd
15.40504138 Circassian
15.65652899 Udi
15.66822581 Greek_Fournoi

Turkicnesss
Target: Test
Distance: 3.3470% / 3.34695083
34.4 Assyrian_South
25.0 Greek_Macedonia
21.2 Armenian_East
19.4 DA87_Kimak

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Originally Posted by Leto

#2

Gedrosia 30.07 Pct
Siberian 4.72 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.58 Pct
North_European 23.08 Pct
South_Asian 11.82 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.63 Pct
East_Asian 3.04 Pct
Caucasus 18.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: Sino
3.38786068 Pamiri_Shughnan
4.03306335 Pamiri_Rushan
4.56221437 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.87020378 Tajik_Lowland
8.23366261 Yagnobi
9.20174983 Tajik_Mountain
11.43022309 Pashtun_Kandahar
12.92873930 Tajik_Herat
13.47603799 Tajik_Kabul
14.62025308 Kho
14.74557222 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
15.32847024 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
15.58764254 Pashtun_Tarkalani
17.62356093 Kalash
17.88626568 Pashtun_Yusafzai
18.04147721 Turkmen_TM
18.39466771 Nuristani
19.50714228 Haryana_Ror
19.90325350 Turkmen_Iran
20.97104432 Tabasaran

Target: Sino
Distance: 1.4128% / 1.41282123 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.5 Pamiri_Shughnan
18.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.7 Tajik_Lowland
8.8 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Sino
Distance: 2.5395% / 2.53953404 | ADC: 1x RC
50.7 Pamiri_Shughnan
26.7 Pamiri_Ishkashim
22.6 Tajik_Lowland

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Photos of the guy. He is actually Shughnani (stated knowledge of the Shughnani language) and currently lives in Kansas. Looks like an Anatolian Turk to me.
Link 1
Link 2

And a bonus - no DNA results but this is a Pamiri woman, born and living in Khorugh
Link

Apparently a Zaza/Kurd from Turkey

L-M2481
R2

Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 0.59 Pct
Northwest_African 1.92 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.31 Pct
North_European 6.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.49 Pct
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Caucasus 47.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Abdullah
3.73403267 Udi
6.11832493 Turk_East
6.25882577 Zaza_Kurd
7.00052141 Armenian_East
7.00703932 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.51873660 Turk_Ahiska
8.37412085 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.84057125 Armenian_West
8.86440635 Azeri_Jew
9.28282285 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Distance to: Abdullah
1.78981955 38.20% Hemshin + 61.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.84538004 40.60% Iranian_Lur + 59.40% Turk_Ahiska
1.89071739 42.80% Kurd_Feyli + 57.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.94114252 39.60% Georgian_Adjara + 60.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.94171994 44.40% Georgian_Adjara + 55.60% Kurd_Sorani
1.94766690 54.60% Kurd_Feyli + 45.40% Laz
1.96816709 41.60% Georgian_Imereti + 58.40% Kurd_Sorani
1.97518709 47.00% Hemshin + 53.00% Kurd_Feyli
1.98863899 42.20% Kurd_Sorani + 57.80% Turk_Ahiska
2.00554242 32.40% Georgian_Adjara + 67.60% Zaza_Kurd

Target: Abdullah
Distance: 0.8793% / 0.87934032 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.5 Turk_Ahiska
35.1 Kurd_Feyli
10.8 Azeri_Jew
1.6 Algerian

Giresun Turk
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com..._so_different/

Gedrosia 15.75 Pct
Siberian 6.92 Pct
Northwest_African 0.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.19 Pct
North_European 11.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.38 Pct
East_Asian 11.33 Pct
Caucasus 35.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: munmzt
7.67535015 Turk_Southwest
7.88562616 Turk_South
8.47073196 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.88713677 Turk_Northwest
9.41300696 Turk_Central_West
9.70194826 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.71907645 Turk_Central_East
11.37491538 Turk_Southeast
11.78594078 Azerbaijani
12.15545968 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Distance to: munmzt
3.20093631 60.60% Armenian_East + 39.40% Nogai_Stavropol
3.23260374 30.80% Nogai_Astrakhan + 69.20% Turk_East
3.24866191 32.80% Nogai_Astrakhan + 67.20% Udi
3.25495935 62.40% Armenian_East + 37.60% Karakalpak
3.27899756 33.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 66.40% Turk_East
3.34443216 63.60% Armenian_East + 36.40% Nogai_Astrakhan
3.47576361 81.20% Turk_Central_Black_Sea + 18.80% Uyghur
3.48245194 32.00% Karakalpak + 68.00% Turk_East
3.65974806 28.40% Kazakh + 71.60% Turk_East
3.67529381 35.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 64.40% Udi

Target: munmzt
Distance: 2.5390% / 2.53898074 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.1 Turk_South
15.7 Nogai
11.9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.9 Turkmen_Iran
4.4 Japanese
1.0 Nivh

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Originally Posted by Leto

Apparently a Zaza/Kurd from Turkey

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Looks for me like an Eastern Turk+Kurd mix, it is too Transcaucasian for a regular Zaza/Kurd. Probably from Erzurum, this city has some mixed areas.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Giresun Turk
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com..._so_different/

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Tbh I think he has central asian admix

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Tbh I think he has central asian admix

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No, it's literally cringing people on that Reddit page are trying to convince her that she has a Central Asian grandparent. They seem to understand(finally) that Anatolian includes Central Asian admixture as well, but could not figure out the working method of the algorithm. It has around 300 samples, let's say, and models you with the one that gives you the closest fit -which is random most of the time, as in Gedmatch and Vahaduo.- At that stage, assume that you actually have 15% East Eurasian but the algorithm modeled you with a 5% Eurasian Turkish sample, then the rest will be balanced with Central Asian scores. Due to the inner-changeability nature of the algorithm, all these 23andme admixture results have no standard and depend on the individual's specific admixture. In this sense, it is totally worthless except for the Western Europeans(have a better coverage) who are interested in broader admixture results, such as an American is looking for his British ancestor. And in fact, that's why 23andme is created.

Besides, her Gedmatch results are actually pretty much typical for Giresun.