Actual Importance of Haplogroups

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

My father knows his Y-DNA because I told him about it.

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:rolleyes:

Alright, lads, your great-grandparents. Or indeed your father until the age of about 50.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

:rolleyes:

Alright, lads, your great-grandparents. Or indeed your father until the age of about 50.

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There were less foreigners and Meds and Slavs in my country then, so they could have their own identity and have the American identity be for them.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

There were less foreigners and Meds and Slavs in my country then, so they could have their own identity and have the American identity be for them.

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there were fewer Slavs in 2005 before commercial testing became readily available?

look, Bobby, it's nice, I guess, that you like YDNA, but pretending that it's inseparable or even a constituent part of what a person's identity should be when 98% of the population and 100% of our ancestors don't even know their YDNA is a bad joke, to the point I originally thought its exponents were being ironic.

That’s true. Autosomal results are more important.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

there were fewer Slavs in 2005 before commercial testing became readily available?

look, Bobby, it's nice, I guess, that you like YDNA, but pretending that it's inseparable or even a constituent part of what a person's identity should be when 98% of the population and 100% of our ancestors don't even know their YDNA is a bad joke, to the point I originally thought its exponents were being ironic.

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Fewer people from places other than Northwestern Europe in America when my great-grandfather was alive.

In the olden days, people didn't know it, but I know mine and I identify with it.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Fewer people from places other than Northwestern Europe in America when my great-grandfather was alive.

In the olden days, people didn't know it, but I know mine and I identify with it.

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To what extent? Are other I1 people your kith and kin even if they're not even vaguely related to you? Say some Finn, or even a foreigner, Med, or Slav who is I1?

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

To what extent? Are other I1 people your kith and kin even if they're not even vaguely related to you? Say some Finn, or even a foreigner, Med, or Slav who is I1?

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Some "dark people" have I1 because they descend from their slave master.

But I definitely feel a connection to other Germanic I1 people like Teutone.

Basically, haplogroups are just a genetic surname.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Some "dark people" have I1 because they descend from their slave master.

But I definitely feel a connection to other Germanic I1 people like Teutone.

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OK, so, you don't in fact identify with I1. You only feel a connection to people who are from your pan-ethnicity anyhow.

There are plenty of non-Germanic I1 people who are not descended from slave masters, too, btw, but I'm not sure why that matters. You think being I1 is important, so you should be indiscriminate in how it got to where it is. People with R1b who are European have to 'deal' with the several tribes of Cameroon who are all R1b. You people are defending yDNA as a source of identity, you can't just cut out people you don't like. That's No True Scotsman.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

OK, so, you don't in fact identify with I1. You only feel a connection to people who are from your pan-ethnicity anyhow.

There are plenty of non-Germanic I1 people who are not descended from slave masters, too, btw, but I'm not sure why that matters. You think being I1 is important, so you should be indiscriminate in how it got to where it is. People with R1b who are European have to 'deal' with the several tribes of Cameroon who are all R1b. You people are defending yDNA as a source of identity, you can't just cut out people you don't like. That's No True Scotsman.

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I'd rather my daughter marry a I1 Dark Man than a R1b White Man.