Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

He clusters with both modern and late neolithic moroccans

as you can see he's very close to me :

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.07035651 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr:I4246

Very similar :

https://i.imgur.com/lHubB1v.png



if this haplogroup was mainly brought by EEF we would have at least found the same amount of it all over southern europe but that's not the case there is a big contrast between iberia and other parts of Europe and no copper or bronze samples had this haplogroup + EEF themselves rarely had this Haplogroup. So as I said most of it came directly from north africa during ancient and medieval times ( Punic, roman and moorish presence).

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But EEF had this haplogroup. You can find them in the aDNA samples around the balkans.

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

you're dishonest this individual was unique among the other samples from the same era simply because he was north african not a local iberian. So again try to find a copper or bronze age sample with e1b1b good luck

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Indeed he could came from North Africa, but wasn't exactly like modern north africans, this guy was overwhemly Farmer and Iberomaurusian, i don't know how Moors from the islamic period were genetically. The thing is that this guy had a Farmer paternal line, IMHO, this because the E-M78 is indeed common in Farmer cultures around Europe.

Don't know why calling me dishonest, where i'm lying?

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Originally Posted by Arch Hades

The same as what happened to the Spanish empire. Spain had the 4th biggest empire in world history now they just have Spain. How did Spanish military might dissapear?

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Spanish empire was broke due criollos freemasons, i.e. It was broke by ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

But EEF had this haplogroup. You can find them in the aDNA samples around the balkans.



Indeed he could came from North Africa, but wasn't exactly like modern north africans, this guy was overwhemly Farmer and Iberomaurusian, i don't know how Moors from the islamic period were genetically. The thing is that this guy had a Farmer paternal line, IMHO, this because the E-M78 is indeed common in Farmer cultures around Europe.

Don't know why calling me dishonest, where i'm lying?

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No as I showed you he was similar to me and had the same amount of EEF than me you confuse him with KEB which is something else. And I said dishonest because we're talking about iberians and you brought a north african migrant as an example of e1b1b.

I think it's possible, on every major calculator I score between 0.5-1% SSA (like Bantu or something), on another I get 1.09 South-African. My question is, how did I, as a Hungarian get SSA admixture?

Everyone who is E-V13 gets this much SSA or more? (serious question) Even in my description, you can see that on Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 I get 0.6 San (San people), while I have more East-Asian and Siberian that's why I get Tatar, Korean, Han Chinese, etc.

Other members told me that 0.3/0.4/0.5 SSA is probably just noise but I'm not sure anymore.

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Originally Posted by Chris596

I think it's possible, on every major calculator I score between 0.5-1% SSA (like Bantu or something), on another I get 1.09 South-African. My question is, how did I, as a Hungarian get SSA admixture?

Everyone who is E-V13 gets this much SSA or more? (serious question) Even in my description, you can see that on Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 I get 0.6 San (San people), while I have more East-Asian and Siberian that's why I get Tatar, Korean, Han Chinese, etc.

Other members told me that 0.3/0.4/0.5 SSA is probably just noise but I'm not sure anymore.

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I don't score any African component in any calculator.
Anything less than 1% is usually noise. Either that or it could be some ancient ancestry for you but that's highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

No as I showed you he was similar to me and had the same amount of EEF than me you confuse him with KEB which is something else. And I said dishonest because we're talking about iberians and you brought a north african migrant as an example of e1b1b.

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No wait. The other user told me about LN moroccans, and i modeled the only LN moroccan than is availeable in G25. You have same amount of EEF compared to who? Also, you are more near to that beaker sample, but still you are far enough. The thing is that man is not a pure north african, see how much Farmer scores and the clade he is.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

I don't score any African component in any calculator.
Anything less than 1% is usually noise. Either that or it could be some ancient ancestry for you but that's highly unlikely.

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You're probably right, thanks. What's really interesting that there is a calculator in Admixture Studio (LM Genetics Global K5). Most Europeans don't get any SSA, or between 0.01% or 0.10%, but even there I score 0.36% Negroid. And in another calculator I get Equatorial Africa as a result while nobody else got that, again. (I don't remember the name of that calc)

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Originally Posted by Chris596

You're probably right, thanks. What's really interesting that there is a calculator in Admixture Studio (LM Genetics Global K5). Most Europeans don't get any SSA, or between 0.01% or 0.10%, but even there I score 0.36% Negroid. And in another calculator I get Equatorial Africa as a result while nobody else got that, again. (I don't remember the name of that calc)

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Ancestor of E-V13 entered Europe a very long time ago and with a small sub Saharan admixture himself to begin with. So I doubt anything from that side could remain in you for like 8,000-10,000 years lol.


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Originally Posted by Daos777

Ancestor of E-V13 entered Europe a very long time ago and with a small sub Saharan admixture himself to begin with. So I doubt anything from that side could remain in you for like 8,000-10,000 years lol.


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How do you know he had SSA admixture?

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

How do you know he had SSA admixture?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...po_E-ADN-Y.GIF