South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Leto

On Harappa the distance is a bigger

Target: Balkan_Gypsy
Distance: 3.1821% / 3.18205375
34.6 romanian-a
33.4 chamar
32.0 cypriot

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It's because harappaworld lacks many referrence populations. Cypriot isn't a good fit for them, and doesn't make sense from a historical perspective either, and Bulgaro-Macedonian would be better than Romanian too.

That being said, using Bulgarian, Chamar and Armenian (the most Mediterranean shifted of the three samples) gives a decent fit in HarappaWorld too:

https://i.ibb.co/KLrDHF6/image.png


Pretty sure we've cracked the 'mystery' of their origins.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

It's because harappaworld lacks many referrence populations. Cypriot isn't a good fit for them, and doesn't make sense from a historical perspective either, and Bulgaro-Macedonian would be better than Romanian too.

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Cypriots are similar to Pontics but I actually think the West Asian part of the Gypsies may be rather Kurdish/Persian-like than Armenian. Also (Southern) Romanians and Bulgarians are very similar genetically. Anyway, it's already clear that Gypsies can be reasonably modeled as ~⅓ South Indian (Chamars are genetically South Indian even though they live in Northern India), ~⅓ Balkan/Southeastern Euro (probably Albanian/Mainland Greek) and ~⅓ West Asian. I would like to hear Davidski's thoughts on the GQ (Gypsy Question).

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Originally Posted by Leto

Cypriots are similar to Pontics but I actually think the West Asian part of the Gypsies may be rather Kurdish/Persian-like than Armenian.

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Not really, dude. Cypriots are Levant-like while Pontics are close to Caucasians. Just compare the population averages for K13:

Cyprian,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.50,0.07 ,0.23,0.00,0.47,0.30,0.54

Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,36.21,3.91,0.9 5,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3

Quite an evident difference if you asked me. Now let's look at (west) Armenians and Cappadocians which I previously used as one of the population models for Gypsies:

Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92, 0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0

Armenian_West,2.91,1.84,12.8,36.23,36.53,6.22,2.55 ,0.25,0.09,0.09,0.34,0.25,0.27

Armenians are evidently pretty close to Pontics, while Cappadocians are somewhat intermediate.

Kurds and Persians on the other hand have far too little West Med, but also high Red Sea and South Asian of their own. In fact they're the poorest fit of the bunch by far.

Krašovec, Slovene

Gedcom included with kit:

Spoiler!

Kit T215292

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.03
2 North_Atlantic 30.32
3 West_Med 16.14
4 East_Med 7.51
5 West_Asian 6.89
6 South_Asian 1.38
7 Red_Sea 1.36
8 Siberian 0.49
9 Sub-Saharan 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.3
11 Northeast_African 0.06
12 Amerindian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.87
2 Hungarian 5.4
3 Moldavian 6.58
4 East_German 6.87
5 Austrian 7.73
6 South_Polish 7.89
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.96
8 Ukrainian 9.09
9 Serbian 10.47
10 Polish 11.22
11 Southwest_Russian 13.69
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.03
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.19
14 Romanian 14.54
15 Estonian_Polish 14.77
16 Belorussian 15.33
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.64
18 West_German 15.85
19 North_Swedish 16.25
20 South_Dutch 16.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.58
2 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.6
3 65.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.63
4 76% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.65
5 78% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.72
6 66.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.79
7 67% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.86
8 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.86
9 79.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.88
10 77.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.88
11 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.88
12 64.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.1% Southwest_French @ 1.9
13 68.9% Polish + 31.1% North_Italian @ 1.92
14 66.3% Croatian + 33.7% East_German @ 1.92
15 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.94
16 68.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 31.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.94
17 76.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.97
18 77.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.97
19 75.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.98
20 76.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.9% Portuguese @ 1.99

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Krašovec, Slovene

Gedcom included with kit:

Spoiler!

Kit T215292

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.03
2 North_Atlantic 30.32
3 West_Med 16.14
4 East_Med 7.51
5 West_Asian 6.89
6 South_Asian 1.38
7 Red_Sea 1.36
8 Siberian 0.49
9 Sub-Saharan 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.3
11 Northeast_African 0.06
12 Amerindian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.87
2 Hungarian 5.4
3 Moldavian 6.58
4 East_German 6.87
5 Austrian 7.73
6 South_Polish 7.89
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.96
8 Ukrainian 9.09
9 Serbian 10.47
10 Polish 11.22
11 Southwest_Russian 13.69
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.03
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.19
14 Romanian 14.54
15 Estonian_Polish 14.77
16 Belorussian 15.33
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.64
18 West_German 15.85
19 North_Swedish 16.25
20 South_Dutch 16.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.58
2 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.6
3 65.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.63
4 76% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.65
5 78% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.72
6 66.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.79
7 67% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.86
8 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.86
9 79.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.88
10 77.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.88
11 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.88
12 64.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.1% Southwest_French @ 1.9
13 68.9% Polish + 31.1% North_Italian @ 1.92
14 66.3% Croatian + 33.7% East_German @ 1.92
15 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.94
16 68.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 31.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.94
17 76.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.97
18 77.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.97
19 75.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.98
20 76.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.9% Portuguese @ 1.99

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Distance to: Krašovec
3.02618083 Slovenian
4.04617820 Slovak
4.50152196 Croat_Zagreb
4.80848209 Hungarian_East
5.51224092 Czech
5.78927457 Hungarian
6.46442573 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.55235835 Szekely_Hungarian
6.73939166 Moldova_North
7.76499195 Croat_Herzegovina

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 2.6603% / 2.66034324 | ADC: 1x
80.8 Slovenian
19.2 Slovak

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 2.3458% / 2.34584954 | ADC: 0.5x
79.4 Slovenian
8.0 German_east
7.0 Slovak
5.6 Ukrainian_Lviv

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 1.5228% / 1.52275518 | ADC: 0.25x
65.6 Slovenian
26.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
4.0 French_Basque
3.6 East_German

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Originally Posted by Leto

Distance to: Krašovec
3.02618083 Slovenian
4.04617820 Slovak
4.50152196 Croat_Zagreb
4.80848209 Hungarian_East
5.51224092 Czech
5.78927457 Hungarian
6.46442573 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.55235835 Szekely_Hungarian
6.73939166 Moldova_North
7.76499195 Croat_Herzegovina

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 2.6603% / 2.66034324 | ADC: 1x
80.8 Slovenian
19.2 Slovak

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 2.3458% / 2.34584954 | ADC: 0.5x
79.4 Slovenian
8.0 German_east
7.0 Slovak
5.6 Ukrainian_Lviv

Target: Krašovec
Distance: 1.5228% / 1.52275518 | ADC: 0.25x
65.6 Slovenian
26.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
4.0 French_Basque
3.6 East_German

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Nice, so it seems she's close to those few samples that were used to make that average. Try it with this one too, she has similar results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ne#post6631482

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Nice, so it seems she's close to those few samples that were used to make that average. Try it with this one too, she has similar results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ne#post6631482

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Distance to: Ledinek
3.40497322 Slovak
3.75040937 Slovenian
3.79597155 Hungarian_East
4.04059402 Croat_Zagreb
4.61767257 Bosniak_Tuzla
4.68943493 Hungarian
5.09471295 Czech
5.91226691 Szekely_Hungarian
6.30774920 Moldova_North
6.70002985 Croat_Herzegovina

Target: Ledinek
Distance: 2.3996% / 2.39959715 | ADC: 1x
55.8 Slovak
31.4 Croat_Zagreb
12.8 Hungarian_East

Target: Ledinek
Distance: 1.9049% / 1.90492300 | ADC: 0.5x
36.6 Slovak
29.8 Hungarian_East
28.2 Bosniak_Tuzla
4.8 Hungarian
0.6 Kalash

Target: Ledinek
Distance: 1.3182% / 1.31819272 | ADC: 0.25x
43.2 Bosniak_Tuzla
38.2 Czech
11.6 Hungarian_East
4.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.4 Punjabi_Jat
0.8 Tabassaran
0.6 Slovak

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Nice, so it seems she's close to those few samples that were used to make that average.

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Any regional info about the reference for Slovenian? Are they academic samples?

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Originally Posted by Alenka

Any regional info about the reference for Slovenian? Are they academic samples?

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There wasn't any Slovenian sample in the original K13 spreadsheet. What this one is based on I don't know, but it was added after vahaduo was established. Lukasz is in charge of that, so you should ask him for more info.