Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Lol dude, average Baltic for my samples is close to 36. This one is on low end for them. Highest is close to 38.

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Reread, i said with low north atlantid, and the sample posted few pages behind had i have no doubt you can find even with 40 among northern croats, hell given that we don't inherit exactly half and half from each gene you may even find from time to time low north_atlantic and high baltic, but it will be textbook cherrypicking.

Here it is, he has 34.4% baltic, hilarious how Dusan with his 33.8% baltic and north_atlantic score is probably far closer to what you consider 'proper southern croat' than you, your family and most croats are. :lol00002::lol00002::lol00002:

Spoiler!

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

This is how gedmatch results of proper Southern Croat look like. I used him as one for Slavic cluster averages. Hrvoje posted him long ago.
Person in question is native of coastal Dalmatia near Split in last 700 years. You won't find purer Croat than that.

1 Baltic 34.39
2 North_Atlantic 26.92
3 West_Med 14.89
4 East_Med 12.56
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Siberian 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
12 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

1 Croatian 4.06
2 Moldavian 4.68
3 Hungarian 6.31
4 Serbian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.58
6 South_Polish 10.01
7 Ukrainian 10.49
8 Austrian 10.74
9 East_German 10.81
10 Romanian 11.55
11 Polish 13.5
12 Bulgarian 13.63
13 Southwest_Russian 14.01
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
16 Estonian_Polish 15.85
17 Belorussian 16.42
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.85
19 West_German 18.05
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 61.9% Estonian_Polish + 38.1% Tuscan @ 1.73
2 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 1.99
3 52.3% Estonian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
4 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Tuscan @ 2.17
5 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Tuscan @ 2.19
6 54.9% Lithuanian + 45.1% Tuscan @ 2.2
7 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.21
8 61.1% Belorussian + 38.9% Tuscan @ 2.43
9 65.2% Estonian_Polish + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.45
10 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
11 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.53
12 62.3% Russian_Smolensk + 37.7% Tuscan @ 2.54
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.56
14 68% Serbian + 32% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
15 62.6% Estonian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.64
16 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 69.4% South_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
18 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Estonian @ 2.74
19 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
20 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

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So Morlach cluster included Croats from these regions:

Zadar (Dalmatia)
Vrlika (Dalmatia)
Livno (SW Bosnia/Tropolje)
Stolac (East Herzegovina)
half Duvno (SW Bosnia/Tropolje) half Brčko (NE Bosnia/Posavina)

Keep in mind for us in Croatia southern Croat is everyone with origins south of Sava River. Which makes sense historically and ethnically.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Were are these 'super slavic' south croats at?
The only one that was posted here had ~34.5 baltic and ~25 north_atlantid and was typical bosnian, i even think Vlatko had a tiny bit more baltic.[emoji38]00002:[emoji38]00002:.

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Mate, learn some basics before you're gonna troll. 35-36% is their average and the average has 5 samples.

Where are they? They were all posted here before.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

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Dušan is 33% Baltic which is on highest end for Serbs and he isn't particulary close to them. You're going on ignore list.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

K15 is shit calculator with unbalanced componenets.

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this, and if you check my k36(which is also a bad calculator) plot thread, where i plotted a few parents and their children, when the parents are distant enough(like in Peterski's case), the child plots exactly between them. but when the parents are autosomally similar to each other this doesn't exactly work (like in your case).

it might be just a fault of the plotting algorithm, not the admixture algorithm, i didn't really check

Who has the highest Baltic on TA? Mine is 39.46

Full Russians have to be at least 50% right?


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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this, and if you check my k36(which is also a bad calculator) plot thread, where i plotted a few parents and their children, when the parents are distant enough(like in Peterski's case), the child plots exactly between them. but when the parents are autosomally similar to each other this doesn't exactly work (like in your case).

it might be just a fault of the plotting algorithm, not the admixture algorithm, i didn't really check

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So what's a good calculator? I see there is no mldp k16 on this toolski

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this, and if you check my k36(which is also a bad calculator) plot thread, where i plotted a few parents and their children, when the parents are distant enough(like in Peterski's case), the child plots exactly between them. but when the parents are autosomally similar to each other this doesn't exactly work (like in your case).

it might be just a fault of the plotting algorithm, not the admixture algorithm, i didn't really check

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K36 is bad too, completely agree. K13 looks the best, and EU test seems decent as well. For south Slavs MDLP K16 modern works very well, like in your case and case of my father.
Although I don't like it's components, they lack west/east focus.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.

https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg

Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)

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What are all the regions included in "southern croat"? Does it include Bosnian Croats as well?

Serbs have low Baltic?

Real Daco-Illyrian Dinarid mountain warriors.

No wonder Croats be jelly

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Mate, learn some basics before you're gonna troll. 35-36% is their average and the average has 5 samples.

Where are they? They were all posted here before.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Dušan is 33% Baltic which is on highest end for Serbs and he isn't particulary close to them. You're going on ignore list.

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I posted the one Feiichy posted as, in her own words, 'proper southern croats', he is 34.4% Baltid BUT 27% North_atlantid.

For comparision, Dusan is 34% Baltid BUT 22% North_Atlantid and so are similar many other serbs like Dick, Ford etc..:lol00002:

Nothing else to discuss, croats are nothing else but bosnians(serbs) admixed with medieval croatized pannonian slavs and austro-hungarian mixture often and it shows in genetics.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I think Herzegovina.

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If all these southern shifted South Croats originate from the Bunjevci of Herzegovina, then maybe Croat_South_Bunjevac would be a better name? Morlach is fine too, but this would be less confusing. Pribislav wasn't sure what you meant by Morlach and maybe others will have the same issue.

Regarding them being more common in Herzegovina, that makes more sense since that's geographically closer to their point of origin. I would guess them to be more common in South Dalmatia compared to places like Duvno.

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Originally Posted by Dick

So what's a good calculator? I see there is no mldp k16 on this toolski

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i should really remove that from my signature, lol. mdlp k16 is some random 10 year old calc, i just get nice single distances in it , it doesn't make it good.

the best dna results are given by k13, 23andme, and global25 in no particualr order

It should be my longest thread. Thanks to all TA Balkanite members:)

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Nothing else to discuss, croats are nothing else but bosnians(serbs) admixed with medieval croatized pannonian slavs and austro-hungarian mixture often and it shows in genetics.

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Native of Kaštela with confirmed origins going back centuries related with Panonnian Croats? Hahah. Fuck off Romanian retard.

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Who has the highest Baltic on TA? Mine is 39.46

Full Russians have to be at least 50% right?


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k13:

https://i.imgur.com/lmZY6Kk.png
https://i.imgur.com/liaPdMX.png

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Originally Posted by Mingle

If all these southern shifted South Croats originate from the Bunjevci of Herzegovina, then maybe Croat_South_Bunjevac would be a better name? Morlach is fine too, but this would be less confusing. Pribislav wasn't sure what you meant by Morlach and maybe others will have the same issue.

Regarding them being more common in Herzegovina, that makes more sense since that's geographically closer to their point of origin. I would guess them to be more common in South Dalmatia compared to places like Duvno.

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I am not sure, for example we have no proof that Zadar Croat has Bunjevac origins. Bunjevci are far smaller group than Pribislav makes them to be.
Most of these southern shifted Croats just have extra Vlach blood (which arrived from east in Ottoman times). But Bunjevci are counted as Vlachs itself, so it's bit confusing.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i should really remove that from my signature, lol. mdlp k16 is some random 10 year old calc, i just get nice single distances in it , it doesn't make it good.

the best dna results are given by k13, 23andme, and global25 in no particualr order

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But 23andme v5 chip has lesser snps than others. G25 I like since there's always new ancient samples which I find more interesting than modern populations(in the future a typical Swede will be 50% SSA and R1b Ydna from Chad) but to each their own. it's an interesting hobby.

By the way, native Illyrians in Dalmatia had high North Atlantic. Which is exactly why this guy is modeled as Russian + North Italian (just like me)
These is Iron Age samples who plot very similary, just bit less north.

Bronze Age Dalmatian

1 North_Atlantic 36.73
2 West_Med 23.57
3 East_Med 15.67
4 Baltic 13.11
5 West_Asian 8.04
6 Red_Sea 2.87

Single Population Sharing:

1 North_Italian 6.07
2 Portuguese 6.25
3 Spanish_Extremadura 6.73
4 Spanish_Cataluna 6.9
5 Spanish_Galicia 7.37
6 Spanish_Murcia 7.51
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.79
8 Spanish_Valencia 7.9
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.18
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.76
11 French 9.14
12 Spanish_Cantabria 10.07
13 Spanish_Aragon 11.5
14 Southwest_French 11.53
15 Tuscan 11.71
16 West_German 14.36
17 South_Dutch 14.77
18 Romanian 16.27
19 Serbian 16.71
20 Bulgarian 17.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 78.3% North_Italian + 21.7% Southwest_English @ 1.95
2 80.2% North_Italian + 19.8% West_Scottish @ 1.99
3 80.1% North_Italian + 19.9% Irish @ 2.02
4 61% North_Italian + 39% French @ 2.17
5 79.9% North_Italian + 20.1% Orcadian @ 2.31
6 78% North_Italian + 22% Southeast_English @ 2.37
7 80.6% North_Italian + 19.4% North_Dutch @ 2.52
8 72.6% North_Italian + 27.4% South_Dutch @ 2.56
9 87.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.57
10 82.3% North_Italian + 17.7% Norwegian @ 2.69
11 80.9% North_Italian + 19.1% Danish @ 2.69
12 87.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.1% Kurdish @ 2.78
13 88.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 11.2% Georgian @ 2.81
14 86.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.1% Kumyk @ 2.82
15 87.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.2% Armenian @ 2.83
16 87.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.2% Adygei @ 2.85
17 72.5% North_Italian + 27.5% West_German @ 2.86
18 85.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.5% Turkish @ 2.87
19 86.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.1% Azeri @ 2.89
20 86% Spanish_Valencia + 14% Lezgin @ 2.9

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Reread, i said with low north atlantid, and the sample posted few pages behind had i have no doubt you can find even with 40 among northern croats, hell given that we don't inherit exactly half and half from each gene you may even find from time to time low north_atlantic and high baltic, but it will be textbook cherrypicking.

Here it is, he has 34.4% baltic, hilarious how Dusan with his 33.8% baltic and north_atlantic score is probably far closer to what you consider 'proper southern croat' than you, your family and most croats are. :lol00002::lol00002::lol00002:

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Unfotunately, I get Croatian as second, instead of third, just because Serbian average is inaccurate and artificial (27% Baltic and 27% North Atlantic - no Serb has such result)

These are my results:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.78
2 North_Atlantic 22.32
3 West_Med 18.56
4 East_Med 12.69
5 West_Asian 8.15
6 Siberian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.13
8 Oceanian 0.92
9 South_Asian 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.63
2 Croatian 6.84
3 Serbian 8.18 (real distance is closer and Serbian is 2nd. That average is outdated)
4 Romanian 10.2
5 Hungarian 10.72
6 Bulgarian 11.37
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.17
8 Ukrainian 13.2
9 South_Polish 13.63
10 Austrian 14.51
11 East_German 14.85
12 Southwest_Russian 16.47
13 Polish 16.71
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.91
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.36
16 Estonian_Polish 18.69
17 Belorussian 19.61
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.71
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.05
20 Tatar 20.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.52
2 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
6 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.16
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.16
8 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
9 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 4.19
10 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.23
11 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.24
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.27
15 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.27
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.28
18 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Cyprian @ 4.29
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.29
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Moroccan @ 4.3

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Native of Kaštela with confirmed origins going back centuries related with Panonnian Croats? Hahah. Fuck off Romanian retard.

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You'd have 1,048,576 ancestors just 20 generations ago.Are you sure that he managed to trace all of them or atleast most?You seem very sure of this.:lol00002::lol00002:

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Genetics >>> Paper trail/family stories/legends

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You've said it yourself, genetics above everything

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am not sure, for example we have no proof that Zadar Croat has Bunjevac origins. Bunjevci are far smaller group than Pribislav makes them to be.
Most of these southern shifted Croats just have extra Vlach blood (which arrived from east in Ottoman times). But Bunjevci are counted as Vlachs itself, so it's bit confusing.

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Bunjevci are - Herzegovinian Croatians + Livno, Kupres and Duvno ones / Croatians from Dalmatian hinterland / Croatians around Senj and some from Gorski Kotar /most of Lika Croatians / some Croatians from Kordun and Banija / vast majority of Croatians from Bačka.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...migrations.png

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

It should be my longest thread. Thanks to all TA Balkanite members:)

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Congrats, pierogi. There are currently 62 users browsing this thread. (13 members and 49 guests)

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

You'd have 1,048,576 ancestors just 20 generations ago.Are you sure that he managed to trace all of them or atleast most?You seem very sure of this.:lol00002::lol00002:

You've said it yourself, genetics above everything

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Yes he did, because his ancestors live in this coastal town for centuries, where civilisation was and people were actually literate and made records about their origins.
When you present genealogical proofs for your Vlach brethen who usually don't know who their ancestors were less than 3 generations ago, than we will discuss.

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hardly my ancestors could participate in the movements caused by the Turkish breakthrough. written records of my ancestors have existed since the beginning of the 16th century and even during this period my ancestors were also juspatrons of Kastela's benefits. they could hardly have been some fresh refugees.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Feiichy has high North Atlantic score. This might be from Vlachs in her!

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For sure, native Dalmatians had high North Atlantic. But ''eastern Vlachs'' did not.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Bunjevci are - Herzegovinian Croatians + Livno, Kupres and Duvno ones / Croatians from Dalmatian hinterland / Croatians around Senj and some from Gorski Kotar /most of Lika Croatians / some Croatians from Kordun and Banija / vast majority of Croatians from Bačka.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...migrations.png

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I don't know, I have one ancestor from around Drniš and their surname has no connections with Herzegovina or Bunjevci. It doesn't exist there.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yes he did, because his ancestors live in this coastal town for centuries, where civilisation was and people were actually literate and made records about their origins.
When you present genealogical proofs for your Vlach brethen who usually don't know who their ancestors were less than 3 generations ago, than we will discuss.

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I only talk numbers, unless he has tracked most of them to the date he claims to then its irrelevant.
I doubt he tracked even 0.0001% of them if we're talking about 16th century he said, let alone further down.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

I only talk numbers, unless he has tracked most of them to the date he claims to then its irrelevant.
I doubt he tracked even 0.0001% of them if we're talking about 16th century he said, let alone further down.

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Irrelevant. This is how native Dalmatians without recent Ottoman Vlach influence score.
They are highly Slavic and their results look nothing like mix of Serbian and Slovenian ones.

But I unerstand your frustration. You are close to them. Maybe some Dalmatian visited your mom few decades ago?

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

It should be my longest thread. Thanks to all TA Balkanite members:)

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By the way, there's a lack of Polish regional averages on Vahaduo. Can you have them uploaded? There are a lot of Polish regions and I'm sure you probably have averages for most of them. K13 only has 2-3 Polish averages right now.

Also, please give the sample size for each regional averages if you can.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Irrelevant. This is how native Dalmatians without recent Ottoman Vlach influence score.

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You can't say irrelevant when I just mathematically proved you are wrong, that's like me saying 1+1 = 2 and you saying its irrelevant and the answer is 3.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

They are highly Slavic and their results look nothing like mix of Serbian and Slovenian ones.

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They score identical to bosnians(serbs) and given how rare percentage wise these 'highly slavic' croats are, i'd have a much higher chance to seek original south slavic blood among bosnians and serbs than among croats.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

But I unerstand your frustration. You are close to them. Maybe some Dalmatian visited your mom few decades ago?

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No, seems that Ford's cousins visited yours 28 years ago tho

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't know, I have one ancestor from around Drniš and their surname has no connections with Herzegovina or Bunjevci. It doesn't exist there.

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Surname is might created locally around Drniš. Not all Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland brought surnames from Herzegovina, some were created after they settled in Dalmatia.

Some is with Dalmatian Serbs. Some surnames arrived from BiH, Raška and Montenegro, and some were created in Dalmatia and exist only locally.
For example Serbs with surname Lunić from Drniš area brought that surname from Livno area in the late 17th century, Serbs Raškovići from Knin probably carry this surname from Raška, Serbs Miloš and Barišić from Vrlika brought surnames from Duvno field in 1692, Macure brought surname from northern Montenegro (Raška), but Serbs with surnames Komazec, Markoš, Tutuš and Vukobrat got surnames in Dalmatia.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am not sure, for example we have no proof that Zadar Croat has Bunjevac origins. Bunjevci are far smaller group than Pribislav makes them to be.
Most of these southern shifted Croats just have extra Vlach blood (which arrived from east in Ottoman times). But Bunjevci are counted as Vlachs itself, so it's bit confusing.

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Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Morlachs are mentioned as Romance speakers between 12-14 century. After that they were slavicized.
Name which contain -ul often have Romanophone Vlach origin. Like Radulović (common among Serbs)

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Of course not.
Bunjevci are just Catholic Serbs. Feiichy's "Morlach" cluster confirmed things which are obvious even without genetic for all Serbs and Croatians.

I understand Feiichy's position, she don't want to admit Serbian origin of Bunjevci (štokavian folks as Serbs, not chakavians as real "super Slavic" Croatians).
I recognize serbification of Vlachs (Rumani) from East Serbs. I don't have a problem with that unlike Feiichy with Bunjevci.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Surname is might created locally around Drniš. Not all Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland brought surnames from Herzegovina, some were created after they settled in Dalmatia.

Some is with Dalmatian Serbs. Some surnames arrived from BiH, Raška and Montenegro, and some were created in Dalmatia and exist only locally.
For example Serbs with surname Lunić from Drniš area brought that surname from Livno area in the late 17th century, Serbs Raškovići from Knin probably carry this surname from Raška, Serbs Miloš and Barišić from Vrlika brought surnames from Duvno field in 1692, Macure brought surname from northern Montenegro (Raška), but Serbs with surnames Komazec, Markoš, Tutuš and Vukobrat got surnames in Dalmatia.

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For my ancesotor is bizzare theory:

Aralica families are usually Croats and they are mostly from Knin area. According to some sources from the Island of Zlarin and from Puljane near Knin. There is a hypothesis they immigrated from the Aral Sea in Russia, and very rarely Serbs. In Puljane in Knin area every sixth inhabitant had the family name Aralica.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Of course not.
Bunjevci are just Catholic Serbs. Feiichy's "Morlach" cluster confirmed things which are obvious even without genetic for all Serbs and Croatians.

I understand Feiichy's position, she don't want to admit Serbian origin of Bunjevci (štokavian folks as Serbs, not chakavians as real "super Slavic" Croatians).
I recognize serbification of Vlachs (Rumani) from East Serbs. I don't have a problem with that unlike Feiichy with Bunjevci.

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My very close relative Vlaj Ivan Aralica isn't a fan of Serbs xD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Aralica

Aralica was swept into the vortex of turbulent events known as the Croatian spring (1971). During this tumultuous era he allied with those who advocated greater Croatian autonomy and freedom for Croatian people in Communist Yugoslavia. From 1979 to 1989 Aralica published eight novels, which can be best described as modernist rewritings of historical fiction. The best among them (Psi u trgovištu/Dogs in a bazaar, 1979; Duše robova/Slaves’ souls, 1984; Graditelj svratišta/Builder of an inn, 1986; Asmodejev šal/Asmodey’s shawl, 1988) show similar traits: these are essentially novels of complex narrative techniques recreating dramatic events in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina from 16th to 18th century and describing historical fatum of Croats caught in the “clash of civilizations”- a three centuries long warfare between Austria, the Ottoman Empire and Venice. He wrote two books of political essays (one about the genesis of Serbian imperialism, the other on historical complexities of the conflict in Bosnia and Herzegovina)

Still vigorously writing in his eight decade, Aralica is considered as one of the best Croatian novelists of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

For my ancesotor is bizzare theory:

Aralica families are usually Croats and they are mostly from Knin area. According to some sources from the Island of Zlarin and from Puljane near Knin. There is a hypothesis they immigrated from the Aral Sea in Russia, and very rarely Serbs. In Puljane in Knin area every sixth inhabitant had the family name Aralica.

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Serbian painter Stojan Aralica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Aralica

In Bukovica there was a Serbs with surname Ardalić, it's similar as Aralica.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Serbian painter Stojan Aralica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Aralica

In Bukovica there was a Serbs with surname Ardalić, it's similar as Aralica.

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Well, their surname isn't present in Herzegovina or among Bunjevci. And I am not suprised for that Serb. All Aralice are smart and educated.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

By the way, native Illyrians in Dalmatia had high North Atlantic. Which is exactly why this guy is modeled as Russian + North Italian (just like me)
These is Iron Age samples who plot very similary, just bit less north.

Bronze Age Dalmatian

1 North_Atlantic 36.73
2 West_Med 23.57
3 East_Med 15.67
4 Baltic 13.11
5 West_Asian 8.04
6 Red_Sea 2.87

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That's a sample from Bronze Age, the natives since then were clapped by dozens of populations.Its statistically impossible for you to have any portion of your DNA significantly from them, let alone half.

You don't want to understand that you can't model balkanites with 2 populations, let alone using ancient ones, you need like 30-50% medieval slav + dozens other populations.(mostly from early middle ages, with some from ancient period), you are yourself a mix of a dozen different ethnicities that you know of.

Today i learned 3 new things:
1) Romanians are not a ethnic group, but a offense
2)during the early ottoman period existed latin speakers in the dinaric mountains
3)Bunjevci are one of the most important and influential ethnicity after the anglo-saxons
:)