Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Que tonto es el belga os lo juro, yo creo que le falta un hervor.

Sempre foi tradição aqui no fórum os membros da Bélgica terem um parafuso (tornillo) a menos. E quase nenhum é etnicamente Belga, inclusive esse de que falas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

São estas amostras:

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E as populações mais próximas:

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Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03313255 Celtic:SX18_scaled
0.03394648 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44
0.03721592 Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
0.03904390 Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d
0.03985165 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
0.04080027 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50
0.04468362 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.04701890 Celtic:Constance_MX283
0.04706249 Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
0.05158823 Celtic:DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57
0.05325754 Iberia_Central_BA
0.05556457 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
0.05706710 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119
0.07737419 Germanic:DEU_MA
0.08009311 Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA
0.11140776 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.22967140 Mozabite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Actualmente é uma minoria em toda a Europa, preservou-se mais na Sardenha por estar isolada. Outrora já foi um dos haplogrupos mais comuns do velho continente.

Ainda assim temos dois membros Portugueses aqui no fórum que são G, isso é que é resistência :D

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._u270c.svg.png

Estás mais próximo da amostra SX18, que tem afinidade com as amostras dos Espanhóis de Lleida. Curiosamente é próximo da tua região.

In ultimate modern world k50

Target: Celtic:SX18_scaled
Distance: 2.5280% / 0.02528026
61.8 Basque
28.2 Greek_Albanian
10.0 Iberian

Target: Celtic:SX18_scaled
Distance: 2.4569% / 0.02456943
25.8 FARMERS-Balkans_Neolithic:I2533
21.8 STEPPE-Eneolithic:Progress_Eneolithic:PG2004
19.4 FARMERS-Iberia_Neolithic:I0410
17.0 FARMERS-Iberia_Neolithic:I0413
8.2 HUNTERS-WHG:I1875
3.4 STEPPE-Eneolithic:Vonyuchka_Eneolithic:VJ1001
2.2 HUNTERS-SHG:Sweden_Motala_HG:I0011
2.2 STEPPE-Eneolithic:Progress_Eneolithic:PG2001

:confused:

No sé qué pensar.

Bueno Lérida es Cataluña, está a cosa de 600 km de donde es mi familia paterna y a otros tantos de donde es mi familia materna. Pero sí que los G25 me suelen tirar bastante hacia el noreste, supongo que será el resultado de mi mezcla, más que ninguna relación de antepasados míos con esa zona. O vete a saber.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=365916056

Spaniard 2.0 está indeciso sobre el color de los ojos. Había puesto avellana, ahora verde oscuro... jajajaja
A veces también tengo dudas entre avellana y ámbar.

Cuando los ojos tienen colores que no son azul, verde o marrón oscuro, es difícil identificar el color.

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Originally Posted by PT Tagus

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=365916056

Spaniard está indeciso sobre el color de los ojos. Había puesto avellana, ahora verde oscuro... jajajaja

Cuando los ojos tienen colores que no son azul, verde o marrón oscuro, es difícil identificar el color.

Yo sigo sin saber de qué color son los míos, así que como la impresión general es que son marrones, pero tienen mezcla puse "strange dark hazel".

y lo del tono de la piel, deberíamos ponernos de acuerdo en alguna escala, porque yo puse light y la chica irlandesa esa Grace creo, puso light, y dudo mucho que yo sea tan light como ella.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Yo sigo sin saber de qué color son los míos, así que como la impresión general es que son marrones, pero tienen mezcla puse "strange dark hazel".

y lo del tono de la piel, deberíamos ponernos de acuerdo en alguna escala, porque yo puse light y la chica irlandesa esa Grace creo, puso light, y dudo mucho que yo sea tan light como ella.

Para distinguir la categoría de piel clara, se debería haber creado la subcategoría pale skin(donde debería incluirse Grace) y fair skin (donde estamos la mayoría de nosotros, quizás excepto Gota-type y el ibérico-irlandés Spaniard 2.0 :D ).

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Yo sigo sin saber de qué color son los míos, así que como la impresión general es que son marrones, pero tienen mezcla puse "strange dark hazel".

y lo del tono de la piel, deberíamos ponernos de acuerdo en alguna escala, porque yo puse light y la chica irlandesa esa Grace creo, puso light, y dudo mucho que yo sea tan light como ella.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT Tagus

Para distinguir la categoría de piel clara, se debería haber creado la subcategoría pale skin(donde debería incluirse Grace) y fair skin (donde estamos la mayoría de nosotros, quizás excepto Gota-type y el ibérico-irlandés Spaniard 2.0 :D ).

Bueno, puse color de piel autopercibido no estereotipos del tipo europeo no "norteño" = menos blanco.

Si empezamos a crear subcategorias complicaremos la cosa puesto que piel pálida es sinónimo de piel blanca. Esta es mi mano sin bronceado y dudo que destacase por ser muy oscura en Irlanda, no sabría donde ponerla en esas categorías aleatorias.

Spoiler!

https://i.postimg.cc/rmQHNw2x/manita.jpg

Luego está la broma que puso ese quién todos sabemos en esa fila, pero como dije es autopercibido/subjetivo.