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10-15-2020, 06:16 PM
Amon

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Do you think you guys could make some West Asian averages for HarappaWorld? It has almost the same components as K12b so is on par with it and one of the best calcs for Asians, so it'd be nice to have some more averages for it.

Sure, but let me have a certain amount of time.
10-15-2020, 06:19 PM
Leto

I'm not gonna bother with HarappaWorld, Dodecad is enough for me.
10-15-2020, 06:31 PM
Leto

What we do need is new averages from major East Asian countries (Han Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese) for Dodecad. The original references are terribly inaccurate in most cases. I'm going to ask Maguzanci since he claims he is an Asian himself. Others are welcome to contribute as well.
10-15-2020, 07:30 PM
Amon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

What we do need is new averages from major East Asian countries (Han Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese) for Dodecad.

Hui/Dungan (N=10)

Code:

Hui1,2.86,4.47,0.042,23.7,0.001,0.677,1.31,0.001,0.009,65.1,1.22,0.614 Hui2,3.15,6.28,0.001,23.9,0.001,2.84,0.001,0.001,0.374,59.2,3.51,0.656 Hui3,4.56,7.67,0.897,21,1.08,3.59,0.734,0.245,0.02,57.8,2.24,0.177 Hui4,2.71,7.55,0.001,23.5,1.43,4.58,0.001,0.001,0.906,58.9,0.228,0.178 Hui5,2,6.1,0.001,33.9,0.001,1.74,1.02,0.016,0.907,52.8,1.19,0.392 Hui6,4.03,6.8,0.01,24.1,0.265,3.57,1.03,0.364,0.001,57.3,2.21,0.282 Hui7,1.57,6.69,0,22.71,0.68,1.87,1.81,0.2,0,62.51,1.96,0 Hui8,1.92,8.31,0.001,22.6,0.211,3.99,1.77,0.467,0.528,56.9,3.21,0.092 Hui9,2.32,5.75,0.001,29.4,0.546,1.99,0.001,0.001,0.001,57.6,2.17,0.215 Hui10,3.15,6.28,0.001,23.9,0.001,2.84,0.001,0.001,0.374,59.2,3.51,0.656

Avg: Dungan,2.83,6.59,0.09,24.87,0.42,2.77,0.77,0.13,0. 31,58.73,2.16,0.33

Distance to: Hui
8.29750565 Naxi
8.66563904 Yizu
10.93998172 Tu
14.85397590 Chinese
15.95633417 Mongola

Target: Hui
Distance: 2.0647% / 2.06474433 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Naxi
10.6 Tu
6.8 Kazakh
5.8 Tujia
3.2 Lak
1.8 Uyghur
0.2 Bashkir
10-15-2020, 07:35 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amon

Hui/Dungan (N=10)

Code:

Hui1,2.86,4.47,0.042,23.7,0.001,0.677,1.31,0.001,0.009,65.1,1.22,0.614 Hui2,3.15,6.28,0.001,23.9,0.001,2.84,0.001,0.001,0.374,59.2,3.51,0.656 Hui3,4.56,7.67,0.897,21,1.08,3.59,0.734,0.245,0.02,57.8,2.24,0.177 Hui4,2.71,7.55,0.001,23.5,1.43,4.58,0.001,0.001,0.906,58.9,0.228,0.178 Hui5,2,6.1,0.001,33.9,0.001,1.74,1.02,0.016,0.907,52.8,1.19,0.392 Hui6,4.03,6.8,0.01,24.1,0.265,3.57,1.03,0.364,0.001,57.3,2.21,0.282 Hui7,1.57,6.69,0,22.71,0.68,1.87,1.81,0.2,0,62.51,1.96,0 Hui8,1.92,8.31,0.001,22.6,0.211,3.99,1.77,0.467,0.528,56.9,3.21,0.092 Hui9,2.32,5.75,0.001,29.4,0.546,1.99,0.001,0.001,0.001,57.6,2.17,0.215 Hui10,3.15,6.28,0.001,23.9,0.001,2.84,0.001,0.001,0.374,59.2,3.51,0.656

Avg: Dungan,2.83,6.59,0.09,24.87,0.42,2.77,0.77,0.13,0. 31,58.73,2.16,0.33

Distance to: Hui
8.29750565 Naxi
8.66563904 Yizu
10.93998172 Tu
14.85397590 Chinese
15.95633417 Mongola

Target: Hui
Distance: 2.0647% / 2.06474433 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Naxi
10.6 Tu
6.8 Kazakh
5.8 Tujia
3.2 Lak
1.8 Uyghur
0.2 Bashkir

Wait a minute, the Hui are not 99-100% East Asian? I believe in China it's just an ethnoreligious community, they look Chinese and speak Mandarin.
10-15-2020, 07:37 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Wait a minute, the Hui are not 99-100% East Asian? I believe in China it's just an ethnoreligious community, they look Chinese and speak Mandarin.

They are supposedly of Silk Road (Iranic+Turkic, mainly Sogdian) descent as well but its likely heavily diluted by now
10-15-2020, 07:41 PM
Amon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Wait a minute, the Hui are not 99-100% East Asian? I believe in China it's just an ethnoreligious community, they look Chinese and speak Mandarin.

A third of their Y-DNA lineages are of steppe/MENA/south-Asian origin. Dungan along with Turkic Salars, Mongolic Dongxiang and Bonan have legit western ancestry.
10-15-2020, 07:44 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

They are supposedly of Silk Road (Iranic+Turkic, mainly Sogdian) descent as well but its likely heavily diluted by now

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amon

A third of their Y-DNA lineages are of steppe/MENA/south-Asian origin. Dungan along with Turkic Salars, Mongolic Dongxiang and Bonan have legit western ancestry.

I see. Prolly the ones in the Stan countries have more of that than the PRC ones. The former also weirdly write in Cyrilic even though it's a Sinitic language.
10-15-2020, 07:52 PM
Amon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I see. Prolly the ones in the Stan countries have more of that than the PRC ones. The former also weirdly write in Cyrilic even though it's a Sinitic language.

There's no data on Central Asian Dungans. The owners of these kits are from NE China (viz. Beijing, Jiangsu, Shandong and other provinces). Those residing in Gansu, Qinghai and Ningxia will be more interesting, IMO (cause of their proximity to the Silk Road).
10-15-2020, 08:30 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amon

There's no data on Central Asian Dungans. The owners of these kits are from NE China (viz. Beijing, Jiangsu, Shandong and other provinces). Those residing in Gansu, Qinghai and Ningxia will be more interesting, IMO (cause of their proximity to the Silk Road).

So the average is 90.2% Mongoloid (58.73% East Asian, 24.87% Southeast Asian, 6.59% Siberian). I wouldn't have expected it to be that "low". I was thinking of 95-100% (maybe with very distant West Eurasian from those who introduced Islam to the region).

Do Han, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese if you can. Those groups are fairly homogenous and don't require a whole lot of samples. 10 per each group would be fine. I still don't know if Maguzanci is interested.