The way they look is not the point. You are consequently labelling German war veterans as non-European.
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Jewish place in Europe
Can a Jew be English?: No, we are our own ethnicity.
Can a Jew be British?: Yes, as a citizen (they have a British passport), but the concept of a British ethnic group includes only the native British peoples (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders).
Are Jews European?: Undecided. Ashkenazi are the most likely group if any are accepted, the rest have no chance.
They're very Europeanised at least, so I'll call them "Europeanised" for now.
What about people with minor Jewish ancestry?: Depends upon the majority of their ancestry, if they are mainly of British ancestry and identify as British or one of the native ethnicities then I'd regard them as British.
Non-religious Jews?: The same rules apply, although they'd probably assimilate into the general population over time if they mixed with non-Jews.
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Origins of the Jews
Levantine and North Caucasian. Ashkenazi are probably more North Caucasian than Levantine.
There are those on the Continent who will disagree, as well as some American Anglophiles. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
No one disputes the English are European apart from the English themselves.
The defining moment in recent history was when Churchill said the British are of Europe but not of it and told Charles De Gaulle Britain would always side with America over France. De Gaulle returned the favor by vetoing Britain's entry into the Common Market multiple times.
I agree in part, but I have seen polling that indicates the British, particularly the younger ones, see their future more in Europe than with America. That may be switching back now though with the clusterfuck that is the EU crisis.Quote:
The English europhiles are a minority (I use the term "europhile" to refer to the EU and European federalism, not Europe the continent). They tend to be the worst sorts of people, not a patriotic bone in their body and usually quite traitorous.
They're a pessimistic bunch and all their arguments are based around the apparent strength European unity would create. However, most English people are centre right and against further EU integration and many are for leaving the EU and repairing ties to the Anglosphere.
The American media might report us to be a load of Europhiles, but it is hardly the case.
In any case, there is little doubt where Americans stand here. Americans are very pro-British and much less pro-Europe (though we're that too). Hopefully Britain won't turn on us.
Those were Sephardim. Can there be any doubt where people like Milch stood - and that even in a rabidly anti-Semitic state? Over time the Jewish input could be diluted even more.Quote:
An interesting idea, but I doubt Jews would just forget their religion. They'd hide it as they did in Spain.
What do you mean when you ask: are jews European? Are you using that as a synonym for "white". If so would you consider white Americans to be European? These questions are for anyone who has been discussing whether or not jews are Europeans and anyone on any side of that issue.