Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...po_E-ADN-Y.GIF

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That doesn't prove anything. Europe autosomally was much different 10,000 years ago to today. Same goes for every other region on this planet.

Plus the mutation of E-V13 didn't occur in Africa.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

How do you know he had SSA admixture?

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If we are to believe that ancestor of all E-M78 clades came from Iberomaurusians then:


“A two-way admixture scenario using Natufian and modern sub-Saharan samples (including West Africans and the Tanzanian Hadza) as reference populations inferred that the seven Taforalt individuals are best modeled genetically as of 63.5% Natufian-related and 36.5% sub-Saharan ancestry (with the latter having both West African-like and Hadza-like affinities)”

But it most likely wouldn’t have come directly from Iberomaurusians into Europe(possible though) it most likely came from Capsian culture in the Mesolithic and if they are directly descendants of iberomaurusians they would of still had some of that 36.5 sub-Saharan.


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Originally Posted by Rocinante

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...po_E-ADN-Y.GIF

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Dude don’t be jealous that E men got all the big jungle booty to themselves and you guys stayed in Eurasia with the pancake booty.


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Originally Posted by Halgurd

That doesn't prove anything. Europe autosomally was much different 10,000 years ago to today. Same goes for every other region on this planet.

Plus the mutation of E-V13 didn't occur in Africa.

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I'm trolling my friend. I just though i was still funny.

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Originally Posted by Daos777

If we are to believe that ancestor of all E-M78 clades came from Iberomaurusians then:


“A two-way admixture scenario using Natufian and modern sub-Saharan samples (including West Africans and the Tanzanian Hadza) as reference populations inferred that the seven Taforalt individuals are best modeled genetically as of 63.5% Natufian-related and 36.5% sub-Saharan ancestry (with the latter having both West African-like and Hadza-like affinities)”

But it most likely wouldn’t have come directly from Iberomaurusians into Europe(possible though) it most likely came from Capsian culture in the Mesolithic and if they are directly descendants of iberomaurusians they would of still had some of that 36.5 sub-Saharan.


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But do you think E-V13 actually had SSA admixture? By the time the V13 mutation happened 2 previous mutations had already occurred. It's a bit of stretch imo but it's not entirely impossible.

I don't know, do we know the genetic makeup of early E-V13 samples? Surely that would give us an indication.

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Dude don’t be jealous that E men got all the big jungle booty to themselves and you guys stayed in Eurasia with the pancake booty.


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I have to admit, best asses are the daughters of the E1b. This is true my friend.

But hey... Some of us didn't actually stay in Eurasia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C3%81frica.PNG

Best butties are in Central Africa and we got them :cool:

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

No wait. The other user told me about LN moroccans, and i modeled the only LN moroccan than is availeable in G25. You have same amount of EEF compared to who? Also, you are more near to that beaker sample, but still you are far enough. The thing is that man is not a pure north african, see how much Farmer scores and the clade he is.

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You misunderstood him he was talking about the male (I4246) from Camino de las Yeseras and said that he clusters with late neolithic moroccans. But as I showed you this male from camino was very similar to me that's why the authors of the study concluded that he was probably a north african migrant and not a local individual.

So again you have no evidence that Most e1b1b clades in iberia came with EEF that's a ridiculous statement

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Originally Posted by Daos777

If we are to believe that ancestor of all E-M78 clades came from Iberomaurusians then:


“A two-way admixture scenario using Natufian and modern sub-Saharan samples (including West Africans and the Tanzanian Hadza) as reference populations inferred that the seven Taforalt individuals are best modeled genetically as of 63.5% Natufian-related and 36.5% sub-Saharan ancestry (with the latter having both West African-like and Hadza-like affinities)”

But it most likely wouldn’t have come directly from Iberomaurusians into Europe(possible though) it most likely came from Capsian culture in the Mesolithic and if they are directly descendants of iberomaurusians they would of still had some of that 36.5 sub-Saharan.


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that's outdated :

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Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

But do you think E-V13 actually had SSA admixture? By the time the V13 mutation happened 2 previous mutations had already occurred. It's a bit of stretch imo but it's not entirely impossible.

I don't know, do we know the genetic makeup of early E-V13 samples? Surely that would give us an indication.

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Thats what I’m waiting for. That sample that seals the deal. That would mean finding the population that brought E-V13 to Europe. As much as people want to think this is a closed case and the most likely scenario of an Anatolian entrance this is just larp with no physical evidence lol. Until this sample comes up we are stuck at the beginning which is North Africa and Iberomaurusians. As for the SSA a VERY small amount of it would have remained(if any at all) by the time E-V13 mutation took place.


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Originally Posted by Nassbean

that's outdated :



https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

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Yeah I know that it is iberomaurusians who brought that into Sub Saharan Africans not the reverse, but without isolating this side those alleles would still show up as SSA on genetic tests and calculators.


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