Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

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Originally Posted by aherne

Funny thing these oracles detect is that Hungarians from Transylvania are closer to Romanians from Transylvania than latter are to those from Oltenia. This confirms with racial anthropology but one thing that shows their overall unreliability is lack of any "evidence" for Old Magyar genes in current Hungarians. Physically many Hungarians, especially in Transylvania where this ethnic group is almost entirely Romanian+Magyar in ancestry, show obvious signs of Magyar "VUR" phenotypes (Aryo-Uralo-Turanid). Are you guys believing latter had no influence in Hungarians' ethnogenesis? This is ridiculous! I read in a demographic study a while ago (what was their impact on native population) that their influence was in a range of 10-15% following a East-West cline (East having more, of course).

Latter findings confirm with my observations of Szekelers: most look like typical Romanians (70%), but a significant minority looks a bit distinct due to Magyar influences (25%) and a small minority is unpassable except among Finno-Ugrian nations (5%)

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The vast majority of Romanians from Transylvania are closer to those from Oltenia than to local Hungarians though. That's what most of my posts in this thread show. But there are some who are closer to Hungarians of course.

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Originally Posted by aherne

Funny thing these oracles detect is that Hungarians from Transylvania are closer to Romanians from Transylvania than latter are to those from Oltenia. This confirms with racial anthropology but one thing that shows their overall unreliability is lack of any "evidence" for Old Magyar genes in current Hungarians. Physically many Hungarians, especially in Transylvania where this ethnic group is almost entirely Romanian+Magyar in ancestry, show obvious signs of Magyar "VUR" phenotypes (Aryo-Uralo-Turanid). Are you guys believing latter had no influence in Hungarians' ethnogenesis? This is ridiculous! I read in a demographic study a while ago (what was their impact on native population) that their influence was in a range of 10-15% following a East-West cline (East having more, of course).

Latter findings confirm with my observations of Szekelers: most look like typical Romanians (70%), but a significant minority looks a bit distinct due to Magyar influences (25%) and a small minority is unpassable except among Finno-Ugrian nations (5%)

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Not sure what you mean but Hungarians from Romania are genetically a blend of Romanians and Hungarians from Hungary with elevated levels of Mongoloid. They have more Mongoloid than both Romanians and Hungarians from Hungary, so ethnic Hungarians from Romania have most likely more conqueror ancestry than those from Hungary (unless Turks/Tatars/Mongol rapists specifically targeted ethnic Hungarians of Transylvania, that's very unlikely).
Hungarians from Romania are more Balkan/Romanian by genetics than those from Hungary but they're still closer to Hungary_avarage than to Romania_avarage.

Hungarian_Transylvania:

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Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
1.16619038 Székely
2.24461578 Csángó-Ceangău
3.74759923 Croat_West
4.67794827 Croat_South
4.90560903 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.93330518 Croat
4.94560411 Hungarian
4.96957745 Hungarian_Alföld
5.43561404 Serb_north
5.47866772 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.71539150 Serb_central
5.91459212 Serb
6.02299759 Bosniak
6.13950324 Romania_Maramures
6.39654594 Moldova_Centre
6.49513664 Romania_Crisana
6.54796151 Croat_East
6.64836822 Croat_North
6.67627141 Moldova_average
7.38275694 Slovenian
7.72862213 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.75199974 Romania_Transylvania
7.83529195 Hungarian_Northern
7.85563492 Moldova_North
8.45031952 Montenegrin
8.63789905 Romania_average
8.89541455 Serb_south
9.33245948 Moldova_South
9.41421266 Romania_Oltenia
9.48130793 Romania_Banat
9.73655997 Austrian

Székely:

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Distance to: Székely
1.16619038 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.42971192 Csángó-Ceangău
3.81304340 Croat_West
4.12863173 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.34732101 Croat_South
4.80621473 Serb_north
4.94729219 Serb_central
5.12483170 Croat
5.15658802 Serb
5.33770550 Romania_Maramures
5.46614123 Hungarian_Alföld
5.56288594 Bosniak
5.62199253 Hungarian
5.71487533 Moldova_Centre
5.72424668 Romania_Crisana
5.96538347 Moldova_average
6.26325794 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.53470734 Croat_East
6.88945571 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.93075032 Romania_Transylvania
7.20763484 Croat_North
7.53728068 Moldova_North
7.70861207 Montenegrin
7.77996787 Romania_average
8.01550997 Serb_south
8.06145768 Slovenian
8.32649986 Hungarian_Northern

Csángó

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Distance to: Csángó-Ceangău
2.24461578 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.42971192 Székely
4.27235298 Croat_West
4.42068999 Croat_South
4.62285626 Hungarian_Alföld
4.62369982 Croat
4.63418817 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.97257479 Hungarian
5.23728938 Serb_north
5.42602986 Bosniak
5.53973826 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.70030701 Moldova_Centre
5.86060577 Croat_East
5.94303794 Serb
5.98354410 Serb_central
5.99021702 Moldova_average
6.28673206 Romania_Maramures
6.35701974 Croat_North
6.51615684 Moldova_North
7.14296157 Romania_Crisana
7.35612670 Slovenian
7.61507058 Hungarian_Northern
8.13686057 Romania_Moldavia_South
8.19842668 Romania_Transylvania
8.92576047 Romania_average
9.00263295 Montenegrin
9.33429697 Serb_south
9.37131794 Ukrainian_Carpathian

and genetics don't necessarily correlate with looks that strictly. Moldova_avarage is more like Serbia_avarage than Romania_avarage but I doubt people would say Moldovans look more like Serbs than Romanians.

Conqueror ancestry is obvious in Hungarians from Romania (in Hungarians from Hungary less so), however this isn't the only difference between them and ethnic Romanians

Target: Csángó-Ceangău
Distance: 0.6733% / 0.67331184 | R3P
55.4 Bosniak
29.0 Swiss_French
15.6 Tatar

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.2753% / 0.27529040 | R4P
71.6 Romania_Maramures
11.7 German
11.0 Orcadian
5.7 Mari

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.4574% / 0.45743904 | R3P
76.3 Romania_Crisana
15.3 Swedish
8.4 Chuvash

Ethnic Romanians also have some Mong, but less than this.

Vahaduo k13's Tatar sample is Crimean Tatar or Volga tatar?

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Originally Posted by Universe

Vahaduo k13's Tatar sample is Crimean Tatar or Volga tatar?

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Volga. It's from the original spreadsheet

Tatar,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46

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Originally Posted by Universe

Conqueror ancestry is obvious in Hungarians from Romania (in Hungarians from Hungary less so), however this isn't the only difference between them and ethnic Romanians

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That's because all admixture with Bulgaro-Romanians (at that time RO/BG were one bilingual people) occurred in middle ages when Magyars settled (converting many natives to Catholicism, intermarrying and making offspring speak their language) but from that moment on it was minimal until 20th century due to cultural/religious differences. There was admixture with Germans, as well, but it kind of stopped due to religious differences after reformation (Germans becoming Lutheran, Hungarians becoming Calvinist/Catholic/Unitarian).

Physically speaking, Romanian Hungarians show more conqueror admixture than 5%, that's for sure!

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Originally Posted by aherne

That's because all admixture with Bulgaro-Romanians (at that time RO/BG were one bilingual people) occurred in middle ages when Magyars settled (converting many natives to Catholicism, intermarrying and making offspring speak their language) but from that moment on it was minimal until 20th century due to cultural/religious differences. There was admixture with Germans, as well, but it kind of stopped due to religious differences after reformation (Germans becoming Lutheran, Hungarians becoming Calvinist/Catholic/Unitarian).

Physically speaking, Romanian Hungarians show more conqueror admixture than 5%, that's for sure!

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Transylvanian Saxons always had different religion than Romanians, but the Transylvanian Saxon results posted in this thread look quite mixed, they obviously have Romainan admixture. Or maybe they mixed with Hungarians? Idk, but in any case their results look mixed.

From Arad

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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
26.63	25.74	18.92	9.34	14.96	0.74	0	0.79	1.89	0	0.98	0	0
30.66	25.21	14.99	11.44	15.27	0.76	0	0	0	1.07	0.49	0	0.11
24.75	27.09	14.27	12.86	17.37	0	2.17	0.66	0.72	0.09	0	0	0

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Compared to others from Arad

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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
27.57	24.00	19.31	7.29	17.40	0.61	0	1.27	0.75	0.26	0.98	0	0.55
23.58	25.51	17.64	8.15	19.75	2.32	0	0	1.91	1.15	0	0	0
26.05	21.87	19.47	12.26	15.09	1.59	1.71	0.30	1.26	0	0.38	0	0
28.66	23.95	15.36	6.58	16.85	3.30	3.16	1.72	0.22	0	0	0	0.19
27.74	25.83	16.89	8.16	19.04	0.77	0	0	0.71	0.86	0	0	0
25.78	22.04	16.38	13.14	18.78	2.29	0.33	0.62	0	0.51	0	0.13	0
25.18	22.55	19.19	12.33	15.99	1.52	0.06	0.53	0.1	1.27	0.63	0.65	0

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1

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Distance to:	Arad_1
2.79588984	Romania_Crisana
3.94173820	Romania_Transylvania
4.01966417	Montenegrin
4.27509064	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.62314828	Romania_Maramures
4.78614668	Bosniak_Sandzak
4.83726162	Serb_central
4.89945915	Romania_average
4.93420713	Serb
4.97411299	Romania_Oltenia
5.43464810	Romania_Banat
5.48528942	Serb_south
5.68353763	Székely
5.95766733	Romania_Moldavia_North
5.99845814	Serb_north
6.02371978	Moldova_South
6.25456633	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.38463781	Romania_Wallachia
6.41318953	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.45886987	Romania_Dobruja
6.72290116	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.78961707	Csángó-Ceangău
6.99052216	Romania_Muntenia
7.23626976	Croat_South
7.49234276	Moldova_average

Distance to:	Arad_1
2.79588984	Romania_Crisana
3.94173820	Romania_Transilvania
4.27509064	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.62314828	Romania_Maramures
4.89945915	Romania_average
4.97411299	Romania_Oltenia
5.43464810	Romania_Banat
5.68353763	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.95766733	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.02371978	Moldova_Sud
6.25456633	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.45886987	Romania_Dobrogea
6.78961707	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.99052216	Romania_Muntenia
7.49234276	Moldova_average
7.58965085	Moldova_Centru
7.76711658	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
8.07809383	Bulgarian
10.44358176	Moldova_Nord
10.58837570	Moldova_Gagauzia
11.42952755	Aromanian
11.68644514	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.60857967	Romania_Ukrainian
14.80568134	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
14.83374194	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Arad_1
1.77564073	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
3.36242472	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
3.43741182	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
3.49887125	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
3.56120766	Romania_Crisana_Arad
3.99101491	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
4.01953977	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
4.43606808	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.63970904	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.70666549	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.18549901	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.23359341	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.36279778	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
5.96183697	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
6.06839353	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.85275748	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
8.55125137	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.96152362	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
11.68644514	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

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Distance to:	Arad_2
6.37301342	Székely
6.44239862	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.45052711	Romania_Crisana
7.39668845	Romania_Transylvania
7.50605089	Montenegrin
7.59724292	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.83379857	Csángó-Ceangău
7.84664259	Serb_central
7.94945281	Romania_Maramures
8.04405992	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.05645704	Serb
8.09167473	Croat_West
8.33551438	Romania_average
8.36939066	Romania_Oltenia
8.42804248	Bosniak_Sandzak
8.44429985	Serb_north
8.76736562	Croat_South
8.99283604	Serb_south
9.04030420	Romania_Banat
9.28906346	Bulgaria_Southwestern
9.53762549	Romania_Wallachia
9.74128328	Croat
9.79057200	Moldova_South
9.81281305	Romania_Dobruja
9.84000508	Moldova_Centre

Distance to:	Arad_2
6.37301342	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.44239862	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.45052711	Romania_Crisana
7.39668845	Romania_Transilvania
7.59724292	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.83379857	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.94945281	Romania_Maramures
8.04405992	Romania_Moldova_Nord
8.33551438	Romania_average
8.36939066	Romania_Oltenia
9.00927300	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
9.04030420	Romania_Banat
9.27814098	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
9.79057200	Moldova_Sud
9.81281305	Romania_Dobrogea
9.84000508	Moldova_Centru
9.94242928	Moldova_average
10.02643007	Romania_Muntenia
10.73009320	Bulgarian
12.13675822	Moldova_Nord
13.25754879	Moldova_Gagauzia
13.72974872	Aromanian
15.40906551	Romania_Ukrainian
15.47954134	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.89691480	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to:	Arad_2
5.36258333	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.88353635	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.63977409	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
6.64315437	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.84989781	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
6.96030172	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
7.68020833	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.79025032	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
8.03040472	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.17683924	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
8.44656735	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
8.53839563	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
8.57620545	Romania_Banat_Timis
9.13236005	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.15281378	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
9.16636242	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.27814098	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
11.36682453	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
12.28122551	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

3

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Distance to:	Arad_3
4.91571968	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.98192734	Romania_average
5.02382325	Romania_Transylvania
5.38927639	Romania_Crisana
5.43596358	Romania_Banat
5.45146769	Romania_Oltenia
5.57142711	Romania_Maramures
5.65470600	Moldova_South
5.77833021	Romania_Wallachia
5.79448876	Serb_south
5.94145605	Romania_Dobruja
5.94873096	Montenegrin
5.95462006	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.04272290	Serb
6.04976859	Romania_Muntenia
6.11610170	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.17247924	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.20744714	Serb_central
6.61187568	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.63551807	Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.67572468	Moldova_Centre
6.68624708	Moldova_average
6.68681539	Bulgaria_average
6.77619362	Serb_north
7.32114745	Bulgaria_Northeastern

Distance to:	Arad_3
4.91571968	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.98192734	Romania_average
5.02382325	Romania_Transilvania
5.38927639	Romania_Crisana
5.43596358	Romania_Banat
5.45146769	Romania_Oltenia
5.57142711	Romania_Maramures
5.65470600	Moldova_Sud
5.94145605	Romania_Dobrogea
5.95462006	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.04976859	Romania_Muntenia
6.67572468	Moldova_Centru
6.68624708	Moldova_average
6.96286579	Bulgarian
7.44901336	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.79876272	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
8.54491077	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.86909240	Moldova_Gagauzia
8.89744907	Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.84416071	Moldova_Nord
11.07322898	Aromanian
14.69080325	Romania_Ukrainian
14.83197222	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.08336501	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.76530050	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Arad_3
4.77280840	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
4.96888317	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.02902575	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.25458847	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
5.26000000	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.29565860	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.38843205	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.61345705	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.74566793	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.80587633	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.96766286	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.64927816	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
6.79767607	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.98521295	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
7.17721394	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.41912703	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
8.48952884	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.40270157	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
15.76530050	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Bihor

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Kit	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
1	22.65	27.34	19.48	11.03	16.76	0.61	0.60	0	0	1.11	0.42	0	0
2	24.71	28.77	16.70	8.87	16.46	0.57	0	0.23	0.90	1.57	0.82	0.36	0
3	25.94	31.05	17.20	7.15	14.23	0.59	2.13	0	0.90	0.62	0.18	0	0

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Compared to others from Bihor

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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
21.25	28.53	20.32	8.83	17.68	0	0	2.03	1.24	0.06	0	0	0
24.53	25.10	18.74	10.33	17.26	1.30	0	0.91	1.60	0	0.16	0	0.08

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1/4 Roma
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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.93	22.95	16.48	8.26	18.21	0	5.05	0	0.07	0	0	0.06	0

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1

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Distance to:	Bihor_1
3.20132785	Moldova_South
3.35126842	Romania_average
3.35393798	Romania_Banat
3.54286607	Romania_Oltenia
3.58778483	Romania_Transylvania
3.59684584	Serb_south
3.69056906	Romania_Moldavia_South
3.78627786	Bosniak_Sandzak
3.85016883	Montenegrin
3.92276688	Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.11724422	Romania_Wallachia
4.14319925	Romania_Crisana
4.24390151	Romania_Dobruja
4.42090488	Romania_Maramures
4.49716577	Romania_Muntenia
4.61799740	Serb
4.64550320	Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.94851493	Serb_central
5.11262164	Bulgaria_average
5.42246254	Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.79093257	Pomak_Bulgaria
5.93117189	Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.99731607	Serb_north
6.32404143	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.58195260	Moldova_average

Distance to:	Bihor_1
3.20132785	Moldova_Sud
3.35126842	Romania_average
3.35393798	Romania_Banat
3.54286607	Romania_Oltenia
3.58778483	Romania_Transilvania
3.69056906	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.14319925	Romania_Crisana
4.24390151	Romania_Dobrogea
4.42090488	Romania_Maramures
4.49716577	Romania_Muntenia
5.37751801	Bulgarian
6.32404143	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.58195260	Moldova_average
6.92064303	Moldova_Centru
7.62687354	Moldova_Gagauzia
8.36429316	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
8.91992713	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
9.61687059	Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.65155428	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
9.65372467	Aromanian
9.99402321	Moldova_Nord
15.23437888	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.24641269	Romania_Ukrainian
15.38949642	Ukrainian_Carpathian
16.39673443	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Bihor_1
2.94947453	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
3.13325709	Romania_Banat_Timis
3.39399470	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.51197950	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
3.55340682	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
3.62179514	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
3.75417101	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
3.99268080	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
4.27705506	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.57612281	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.92909728	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.24558862	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.46887557	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
5.71152344	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.97478033	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
9.12170488	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
10.16198307	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.82578404	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
16.39673443	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

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Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.04963411	Serb_central
2.14366509	Serb
2.54609505	Romania_Maramures
3.17326330	Serb_north
3.25538016	Romania_Crisana
3.30616092	Romania_Moldavia_North
3.60722885	Romania_Moldavia_South
3.62931123	Serb_south
3.71717635	Romania_Transylvania
4.15191522	Romania_average
4.25312826	Moldova_average
4.36186887	Moldova_South
4.45056176	Moldova_Centre
4.61181092	Montenegrin
4.87591017	Croat_South
4.96466514	Romania_Banat
5.09014735	Bosniak
5.12016601	Romania_Oltenia
5.25616781	Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.59840156	Székely
5.61991993	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.00162478	Romania_Wallachia
6.05459330	Romania_Dobruja
6.26383269	Croat_West
6.47321404	Romania_Muntenia

Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.54609505	Romania_Maramures
3.25538016	Romania_Crisana
3.30616092	Romania_Moldova_Nord
3.60722885	Romania_Moldova_Sud
3.71717635	Romania_Transilvania
4.15191522	Romania_average
4.25312826	Moldova_average
4.36186887	Moldova_Sud
4.45056176	Moldova_Centru
4.85390564	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
4.96466514	Romania_Banat
5.12016601	Romania_Oltenia
5.59840156	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.05459330	Romania_Dobrogea
6.47321404	Romania_Muntenia
6.48327849	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.79677865	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.62101699	Moldova_Nord
7.65014379	Bulgarian
10.48842219	Moldova_Gagauzia
11.94808771	Aromanian
12.00538629	Romania_Ukrainian
12.10220228	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.37251793	Ukrainian_Carpathian
14.53084650	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.35304059	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
2.68588905	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
3.35673949	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
3.40972140	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.58549857	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
3.75315867	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
4.03486059	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.06187149	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.45097742	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.45356037	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
4.56620192	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
4.69253663	Romania_Banat_Timis
4.78125507	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.96679977	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
5.30636410	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.57062833	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.70450518	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.91633180	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
14.53084650	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

3

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Distance to:	Bihor_3
2.83608886	Croat_South
2.95220257	Serb_north
3.44657801	Serb_central
3.62808489	Serb
3.63085389	Bosniak
3.79728851	Romania_Moldavia_North
3.92536622	Croat_West
4.37744218	Moldova_Centre
4.43110596	Romania_Maramures
4.43468150	Moldova_average
4.74799958	Croat
4.79495568	Székely
5.20678404	Hungarian_Transylvania
5.36551023	Csángó-Ceangău
5.67226586	Croat_East
5.90074572	Romania_Crisana
6.15093489	Moldova_North
6.19276190	Hungarian_Alföld
6.91103465	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.93351282	Hungarian
6.98983548	Serb_south
7.00484832	Romania_Transylvania
7.48796368	Croat_North
7.51438620	Moldova_South
7.57848930	Romania_average

Distance to:	Bihor_3
3.72664729	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
3.79728851	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.37744218	Moldova_Centru
4.43110596	Romania_Maramures
4.43468150	Moldova_average
4.79495568	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.20678404	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
5.36551023	Romania_Moldova_Csango
5.90074572	Romania_Crisana
6.15093489	Moldova_Nord
6.91103465	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.00484832	Romania_Transilvania
7.51438620	Moldova_Sud
7.57848930	Romania_average
8.29110367	Romania_Banat
8.50970035	Romania_Oltenia
8.90276362	Romania_Ukrainian
8.90915260	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.35593395	Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.53694920	Romania_Dobrogea
10.06391574	Romania_Muntenia
11.43610073	Bulgarian
13.85234998	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.07105184	Moldova_Gagauzia
15.55504098	Aromanian

Distance to:	Bihor_3
3.59965276	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
3.88696540	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
4.19735631	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
4.78229025	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
5.04837598	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.81555672	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.57756794	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.71664351	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
6.80380041	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
7.04521824	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
7.05135448	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
7.36842588	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.91338739	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
7.98301322	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
8.05641359	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
8.06316315	Romania_Crisana_Arad
8.08822601	Romania_Banat_Timis
12.32304346	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
13.85234998	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Bihor

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Kit	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
1	18.57	29.51	18.98	9.71	20.43	0.41	0	0	0.71	1.22	0.39	0	0.09
2	30.10	27.60	15.66	7.82	12.16	2.43	1.36	0	1.78	0.68	0.29	0	0.12
3	28.28	25.17	15.11	10.73	14.95	2.47	0	0.22	1.86	0.79	0	0	0.36

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Compared to others from Bihor

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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
21.25	28.53	20.32	8.83	17.68	0	0	2.03	1.24	0.06	0	0	0
24.53	25.10	18.74	10.33	17.26	1.30	0	0.91	1.60	0	0.16	0	0.08
22.65	27.34	19.48	11.03	16.76	0.61	0.60	0	0	1.11	0.42	0	0
24.71	28.77	16.70	8.87	16.46	0.57	0	0.23	0.90	1.57	0.82	0.36	0
25.94	31.05	17.20	7.15	14.23	0.59	2.13	0	0.90	0.62	0.18	0	0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Bihor_1
5.62769047	Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.70011403	Pomak_Bulgaria
5.86127119	Moldova_South
6.17889149	Serb_south
6.40866601	Pomak_Greece
6.75002963	Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.80710658	Romania_Dobruja
6.81044051	Romania_Muntenia
6.84840857	Romania_Banat
6.94280203	Romania_Wallachia
7.08946401	Bulgaria_average
7.11912916	Bulgaria_Southcentral
7.14607585	Romania_average
7.54997351	Romania_Oltenia
7.76671745	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.79467126	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.87715685	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
7.94014483	Bosniak_Sandzak
7.95185513	Romania_Transylvania
8.22397714	Romania_Maramures
8.27107006	Montenegrin
8.29301513	Serb
8.42505786	Greek_Northern-Thrace
8.50702063	Serb_central
8.71908826	Macedonian_North

Distance to:	Bihor_1
5.86127119	Moldova_Sud
6.80710658	Romania_Dobrogea
6.81044051	Romania_Muntenia
6.84840857	Romania_Banat
7.00487687	Bulgarian
7.14607585	Romania_average
7.54997351	Romania_Oltenia
7.79467126	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.95185513	Romania_Transilvania
8.22397714	Romania_Maramures
8.35515410	Moldova_Gagauzia
8.79204754	Moldova_average
8.93737657	Romania_Crisana
9.21168280	Moldova_Centru
9.60787698	Romania_Moldova_Nord
10.41540206	Aromanian
10.95178524	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
11.80621447	Moldova_Nord
13.02217724	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
13.80733139	Romania_Moldova_Csango
13.94346083	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
16.42867919	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.64870265	Romania_Ukrainian
17.09740331	Ukrainian_Carpathian
21.56921185	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Bihor_1
3.79482542	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
6.44230549	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
7.10902947	Romania_Banat_Timis
7.22721246	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.22960580	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
7.55096020	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
7.94986792	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.11035141	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
8.25520442	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
8.93267037	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
9.00194423	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.17689490	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
9.30231692	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
10.42957813	Romania_Crisana_Arad
10.94776690	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
12.58210237	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
13.02196990	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
14.56832180	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
21.56921185	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

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Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.12393503	Hungarian_Transylvania
2.95115232	Székely
3.91129135	Csángó-Ceangău
4.89440497	Croat_West
5.68013204	Hungarian
5.94737757	Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.02518050	Hungarian_Alföld
6.13419106	Croat_South
6.21148935	Croat
6.44697604	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.76836760	Serb_central
6.79589582	Serb_north
7.01269563	Romania_Crisana
7.05656432	Serb
7.14364053	Romania_Maramures
7.45300610	Croat_North
7.59918417	Bosniak
7.85624592	Slovenian
8.05952232	Moldova_Centre
8.06231356	Croat_East
8.29671622	Moldova_average
8.34211004	Romania_Transylvania
8.38396684	Romania_Moldavia_South
8.73486691	Hungarian_Northern
8.76083900	Austrian

Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.12393503	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
2.95115232	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
3.91129135	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.44697604	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.64558500	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.01269563	Romania_Crisana
7.14364053	Romania_Maramures
8.05952232	Moldova_Centru
8.29671622	Moldova_average
8.34211004	Romania_Transilvania
8.38396684	Romania_Moldova_Sud
8.66595061	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
9.33915414	Romania_average
9.60451456	Moldova_Nord
9.91977318	Romania_Oltenia
10.12913126	Romania_Banat
10.20711027	Moldova_Sud
11.25502999	Romania_Dobrogea
11.59871976	Romania_Ukrainian
11.72910056	Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.75160840	Romania_Muntenia
12.02940979	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
13.08939647	Bulgarian
15.68031887	Moldova_Gagauzia
16.45222781	Aromanian

Distance to:	Bihor_2
3.04359984	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
4.67711450	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
5.16747521	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.66877800	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.01613141	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
7.30992476	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
7.46446247	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
7.54831769	Romania_Crisana_Arad
8.17286975	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
8.24519254	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
8.42265991	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
8.45624030	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.66595061	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
9.28930568	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
9.47591157	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
9.54431768	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
9.81049948	Romania_Banat_Timis
11.79660544	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
12.89262968	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

3

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Distance to:	Bihor_3
4.72229817	Romania_Crisana
4.94872711	Székely
5.30032075	Romania_Transylvania
5.33643139	Hungarian_Transylvania
5.40247166	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.52991863	Montenegrin
5.94217132	Romania_Maramures
6.16237779	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.18216790	Romania_average
6.21203670	Serb_central
6.36528868	Serb
6.38883401	Csángó-Ceangău
6.48963019	Romania_Oltenia
6.79905140	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.87293969	Romania_Banat
6.99761388	Serb_north
7.05857634	Serb_south
7.39354448	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.52742320	Romania_Wallachia
7.53465991	Moldova_South
7.62320143	Croat_West
7.67058668	Romania_Dobruja
7.70083762	Croat_South
7.94896849	Moldova_Centre
8.00838935	Romania_Muntenia

Distance to:	Bihor_3
4.72229817	Romania_Crisana
4.94872711	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.30032075	Romania_Transilvania
5.33643139	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
5.40247166	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.94217132	Romania_Maramures
6.16237779	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.18216790	Romania_average
6.38883401	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.48963019	Romania_Oltenia
6.87293969	Romania_Banat
7.53465991	Moldova_Sud
7.56137554	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.67058668	Romania_Dobrogea
7.94896849	Moldova_Centru
8.00838935	Romania_Muntenia
8.04034203	Moldova_average
9.08406847	Bulgarian
10.68241078	Moldova_Nord
10.75527313	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
11.50479031	Moldova_Gagauzia
12.26091351	Aromanian
14.65622393	Romania_Ukrainian
14.74057665	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.08893303	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to:	Bihor_3
3.96025252	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
3.98194676	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.22966902	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.45304390	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.25914442	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.54914408	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.63971630	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.72677047	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
5.89599864	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
6.03428538	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.33040283	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.49420511	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.60137107	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.83641719	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.55060262	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.39092367	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.39596190	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
10.59498466	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.75527313	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Universe

Hungarians from Romania are more Balkan/Romanian by genetics than those from Hungary but they're still closer to Hungary_avarage than to Romania_avarage.

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You're making an inappropriate comparison and draw an incorrect conclusion.

Romania is a big country, what's the point of comparing Transylvanian Hungarians with Romanian average? Transylvanian Hungarians are closer to Northern Moldovans (from Romania, not RM) than to Hungarian average. This make perfect sense from a historical standpoint, because Transylvanian Hungarians are from Northern Transylvania (former Maramures principality), which is the province that colonized Moldova.