Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Well, their surname isn't present in Herzegovina or among Bunjevci. And I am not suprised for that Serb. All Aralice are smart and educated.

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Serbian surnames in village Turjanski near Vrhovine (Lika) in 1915: Agbaba, Aralica, Božičković, Bobić, Božić, Brakus, Đurčić, Divjak, Grozdanić, Hinić, Hrkalović, Ivančević, Krajnović, Lukić, Mandić, Mašić, Mirković, Narančić, Skendžić, Stojanović, Svilar, Vuksan.

I suppose they arrived to Lika in 16th or 17th century, as vast majority Lika Serbs.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Morlachs are mentioned as Romance speakers between 12-14 century. After that they were slavicized.

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Can you give a citation/quote on that? I haven't heard of Romance speakers in the Dinarics from that recently. Even Fortis, who claims that Morlachs have Romance/Vlach origins, states that they only speak Slavic.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Can you give a citation/quote on that? I haven't heard of Romance speakers in the Dinarics from that recently. Even Fortis, who claims that Morlachs have Romance/Vlach origins, states that they only speak Slavic.

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please don't throw wood on the fire :)

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Can you give a citation/quote on that? I haven't heard of Romance speakers in the Dinarics from that recently. Even Fortis, who claims that Morlachs have Romance/Vlach origins, states that they only speak Slavic.

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Serbian and Croatian standard are based on speech of people who were derogatory marked as "Morlachs" by Venetians, of couse never existed people who call themselves like that.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Can you give a citation/quote on that? I haven't heard of Romance speakers in the Dinarics from that recently. Even Fortis, who claims that Morlachs have Romance/Vlach origins, states that they only speak Slavic.

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Serbs have a lot of I2-Din which is from Slav invaders though

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Originally Posted by Dick

Serbs have a lot of I2-Din which is from Slav invaders though

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Orthodox and Catholic Serbs who were marked by Venetians as "Morlachs" have a lot I2-Din. Dalmatian Serbs are 45% I2-Din.


Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, he was known as leader of "Morlachs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

On Serbian dna project there are 8-9 tested Serbs from Žegar (with different surnames) and all are I2-PH908.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Orthodox and Catholic Serbs who were marked by Venetians as "Morlachs" have a lot I2-Din. Dalmatian Serbs are 45% I2-Din.


Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, he was known as leader of "Morlachs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

On Serbian dna project there are 8-9 tested Serbs from Žegar (with different surnames) and all are I2-PH908.

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Croats from my and insuperable 23andme samples are rounded at 45% I2-din, and 30% R1a. Haha.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Can you give a citation/quote on that? I haven't heard of Romance speakers in the Dinarics from that recently. Even Fortis, who claims that Morlachs have Romance/Vlach origins, states that they only speak Slavic.

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The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century. Later, when the community straddled the Venetian–Ottoman border in the 17th century, it referred to Slavic-speaking, mainly Eastern Orthodox, and to a lesser degree Roman Catholic people.

The etymology of the exonym points to a connection with Vlachs, but as stated in Fortis' work Travels in Dalmatia, they were at that time Slavic-speaking. Because of migrations from various parts of the Balkans, the name had passed to later communities.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

That's a sample from Bronze Age, the natives since then were clapped by dozens of populations.Its statistically impossible for you to have any portion of your DNA significantly from them, let alone half.

You don't want to understand that you can't model balkanites with 2 populations, let alone using ancient ones, you need like 30-50% medieval slav + dozens other populations.(mostly from early middle ages, with some from ancient period), you are yourself a mix of a dozen different ethnicities that you know of.

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Iron Age sample (Illyrian proper) is not very different, just less NW and right at Bergamo average. It's identical to early Republican Romans/Italics apart from haplogroups.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Orthodox and Catholic Serbs who were marked by Venetians as "Morlachs" have a lot I2-Din. Dalmatian Serbs are 45% I2-Din.


Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, he was known as leader of "Morlachs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

On Serbian dna project there are 8-9 tested Serbs from Žegar (with different surnames) and all are I2-PH908.

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Fortis spotted the physical difference between Morlachs; those from around Kotor, Sinj and Knin were generally blond-haired, with blue eyes, and broad faces, while those around Zadvarje and Vrgorac were generally brown-haired with narrow faces. They also differed in nature.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

my father is the blue eyed broad face "Morlach" type then :lol:

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Orthodox and Catholic Serbs who were marked by Venetians as "Morlachs" have a lot I2-Din. Dalmatian Serbs are 45% I2-Din.


Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, he was known as leader of "Morlachs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

On Serbian dna project there are 8-9 tested Serbs from Žegar (with different surnames) and all are I2-PH908.

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On Serbian dna project I found 8 tested Serbs from born village of "Morlach" leader Stojan Janković https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žegar,_Croatia

Lukić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Krnjaja (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Milić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Prodanović (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Ušljebrka (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Rakić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Nanić (Žegar) - I2>I-S17250
Mirilo (Žegar) - I2>I-Z17855

Thanks for the heads up!

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Originally Posted by Dick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

my father is the blue eyed broad face "Morlach" type then :lol:

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:thumb001:

Morlach stronk!

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Iron Age sample (Illyrian proper) is not very different, just less NW and right at Bergamo average. It's identical to early Republican Romans/Italics apart from haplogroups.

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There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

Here is a portion of academic Armenian, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Scottish, Welsh and Irish samples:

Eurogenes K15 at first:

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Sample,North_Sea,Atlantic,Baltic,Eastern_Euro,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Med,Red_Sea,South_Asian,Southeast_Asian,Siberian,Amerindian,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub_Saharan
arm10,5.08,2.60,0,1.47,8.84,37.88,34.81,3.92,5.39,0,0,0,0,0,0
arm11,5.75,0,0,2.65,6.39,42.68,39.77,1.70,0.14,0,0,0,0.82,0,0.08
arm12,0,0,1.60,0,8.96,56.88,29.79,0.56,0,0.36,0.56,0.24,0.26,0.42,0.36
arm13,2.98,9.33,8.04,5.82,6.28,34.95,25.13,3.23,3.43,0,0.81,0,0,0,0
arm14,11.94,9.82,16.61,13.00,5.04,21.53,16.35,3.12,0,0,1.29,0.28,0.75,0,0.26
arm17,5.92,1.12,0,3.52,7.90,37.07,36.04,5.38,1.75,0.43,0,0,0.87,0,0.01
arm18,5.25,0,0,0,10.12,44.59,38.30,0.64,0.48,0,0.57,0,0.04,0,0
arm19,2.71,0,2.21,1.72,0.97,38.09,49.89,0.68,2.97,0,0,0,0,0,0.77
arm20,1.22,0,3.66,0,8.48,58.17,25.02,2.04,0,1.04,0,0,0.37,0,0
arm21,16.86,7.81,22.31,19.70,7.02,17.68,5.91,0,1.62,0,0,0.04,0.44,0.28,0.32
arm23,0,0,0,2.58,10.97,51.06,32.46,2.45,0.25,0,0,0,0.23,0,0
arm26,1.87,0.69,0.61,0,10.85,50.12,28.31,4.42,2.83,0,0,0.10,0,0,0.20
arm3,1.49,0,3.31,0.18,9.91,37.93,42.51,2.41,0.09,1.29,0,0.10,0.78,0,0
arm4,3.29,0,0,3.72,2.86,50.60,36.21,0.01,2.19,0,0,0.86,0.27,0,0
arm5,0.04,0,0.16,0.22,9.84,50.73,35.55,2.17,1.26,0,0,0,0,0,0.03
arm6,0,2.52,0.12,0,10.81,48.86,36.58,0,0.60,0.03,0,0.08,0.41,0,0
arm7,11.08,10.80,12.96,13.79,3.21,19.60,18.75,4.11,1.83,0,2.74,0,0.59,0.24,0.31
arm8,0,9.25,0,0,6.15,40.87,39.15,3.40,0,0,0,1.06,0.12,0,0
arm9,1.87,2.50,4.23,2.09,7.82,36.98,35.38,3.20,5.14,0,0,0.78,0,0,0
armenia102,0,6.81,5.69,0,0,44.54,39.78,1.90,0.30,0.65,0,0,0.32,0,0
armenia106,7.34,0.24,1.41,0,3.10,39.20,44.85,0,3.57,0.27,0.02,0,0,0,0
armenia139,2.97,0,0.57,0,4.92,37.06,48.17,4.71,0.93,0,0,0.21,0.46,0,0
armenia162,0,8.42,0,0,3.77,44.18,36.55,5.91,0.95,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.03
armenia176,6.02,0,0.70,0.59,10.72,36.67,34.60,6.22,4.45,0,0,0,0.03,0,0
armenia191,0,5.28,0,6.65,4.10,44.57,37.22,1.96,0,0,0,0,0.22,0,0
armenia279,0,0.52,0,4.60,3.41,36.11,48.58,5.60,0.15,0.07,0,0.18,0.78,0,0
armenia293,0,6.33,0.55,0,1.62,42.23,47.33,0,1.31,0.59,0,0,0.04,0,0
armenia3,0.73,5.75,1.81,5.44,7.39,36.98,35.74,4.11,1.87,0,0,0.17,0,0,0
armenia36,0,0,3.53,0,8.46,41.35,42.78,1.99,1.57,0,0,0,0.33,0,0
armenia7,2.97,5.78,0.39,0.60,8.66,35.62,36.45,6.82,2.43,0,0,0.06,0,0.21,0
armenia71,1.55,4.79,0,3.06,2.28,42.81,36.49,5.34,3.50,0,0,0.18,0,0,0
armenia73,8.16,0,0.03,2.50,1.33,39.99,43.95,1.53,1.73,0,0.27,0,0.31,0.10,0.10
armenia80,3.55,3.38,3.40,0,8.24,34.99,35.36,8.43,2.56,0,0,0.09,0,0,0
armenia86,0,8.96,2.71,0,1.75,41.34,40.48,2.21,2.56,0,0,0,0,0,0
armenia91,0,3.73,0,0.97,6.32,43.99,37.15,5.97,0.99,0,0,0.38,0.52,0,0
IRL001,39.37,31.48,9.03,10.19,6.27,2.82,0,0,0.45,0,0,0.39,0,0,0
IRL002,37.21,34.81,10.86,5.04,7.49,2.47,0,0,1.09,0,0,1.03,0,0,0
IRL003,35.66,30.04,9.92,8.49,9.29,5.15,0,0,0.20,0,0.45,0.37,0.42,0,0
IRL004,34.39,31.87,7.40,6.87,8.52,9.12,0.81,0,0,0,0,0.49,0.53,0,0
IRL005,40.87,28.70,8.04,9.82,6.82,2.77,0,0,1.76,0,0,1.24,0,0,0
IRL006,34.90,31.85,9.80,8.59,6.90,5.45,0,0,0,0,0,1.47,1.01,0,0.03
IRL007,39.28,30.92,8.73,9.26,7.46,3.12,0,0.95,0,0,0,0.05,0.14,0.09,0
SCO002,34.08,29.85,9.56,11.15,7.81,2.71,1.81,0.75,1.70,0,0,0.56,0,0,0
SCO003,32.72,35.46,12.98,6.69,4.83,5.17,0,0.81,0.62,0.15,0,0.56,0,0,0
SCO005,40.45,31.03,8.58,8.09,6.12,4.05,0.90,0,0.50,0,0,0.08,0.11,0.09,0
SCO006,42.15,22.91,9.45,7.35,10.08,3.52,3.46,0.68,0,0,0,0.21,0,0.06,0.11
SCO008,34.29,32.85,7.22,12.06,8.16,4.21,0,0,0.86,0,0,0.12,0.23,0,0
Scottish1,33.95,29.75,9.68,11.22,7.78,2.97,1.56,0.76,1.72,0,0,0.57,0.05,0,0
Scottish2,32.92,35.36,12.85,6.83,4.80,4.95,0,0.89,0.71,0.05,0,0.64,0,0,0
Scottish4,40.67,30.90,8.19,8.24,6.16,3.96,1.00,0,0.56,0,0,0.08,0.10,0.14,0
Scottish5,41.55,23.02,9.45,7.51,10.05,3.68,3.58,0.75,0,0,0,0.28,0,0.14,0
Scottish6,34.37,32.89,7.23,12.20,8.19,3.94,0,0,0.84,0,0,0.11,0.23,0,0
UAE004,0,1.44,0,9.04,0,28.45,20.44,3.62,24.62,0,0,1.07,0.60,0.88,9.84
UAE005,1.64,0,0,0.38,3.37,14.54,36.68,24.64,7.71,0,0,0,0.47,5.41,5.17
UAE008,0,1.55,4.50,4.38,0,21.98,15.03,2.98,47.20,0.82,0.92,0,0,0,0.63
UAE038,1.99,0,0,0,4.64,10.42,41.48,34.42,1.36,0.41,0,0.53,1.00,3.75,0
UAE041,0,3.96,0.75,1.60,0,17.40,28.82,13.25,13.48,0,0.13,0.50,0.02,7.07,13.02
UAE042,0.11,2.58,0,0,2.49,9.58,43.28,35.64,1.62,0.41,1.12,0,0,3.18,0
UAE047,0,0,0,3.40,0.06,13.48,34.31,26.07,12.57,0,0.71,0,0,5.87,3.53
UAE048,0,1.54,0,3.28,1.58,15.97,37.06,21.39,8.30,0,0.07,0,0,5.31,5.49
UAE090,0,3.06,0,0,0.77,7.67,44.15,40.58,0.85,0.18,0,0,0.64,2.10,0
UAE1,0,1.44,0.01,8.92,0,28.67,20.41,3.54,24.57,0,0,1.05,0.64,0.94,9.81
UAE10,0,3.13,0,0,0.86,7.48,43.93,40.65,1.03,0.06,0,0,0.72,2.13,0
UAE11,0,0.21,1.37,0,1.74,9.04,43.40,36.62,3.57,0,0.25,0.60,0.61,2.61,0
UAE111,0,0.23,1.66,0,1.46,8.80,43.35,36.85,3.62,0,0.34,0.55,0.60,2.54,0
UAE12,0,0,0,6.09,0.52,15.81,31.94,20.39,10.07,0,0,0.13,0.67,3.60,10.77
UAE125,0,0,0,6.03,0.62,15.91,31.91,20.30,10.04,0,0,0.10,0.68,3.65,10.78
UAE127,1.25,0,0,0.03,5.81,12.50,42.61,32.58,0.39,0,0.53,1.20,0.60,2.50,0
UAE13,1.36,0,0,0,6.03,12.65,42.19,32.62,0.38,0,0.49,1.17,0.60,2.50,0
UAE131,0,0.83,0,1.33,4.44,9.50,23.24,12.49,40.47,0.16,1.39,0.87,0.97,3.09,1.22
UAE14,0,0.59,0,1.50,4.42,9.56,23.22,12.67,40.28,0.36,1.25,0.86,0.92,3.33,1.04
UAE2,1.43,0,0,0.27,3.62,14.50,36.89,24.54,7.61,0,0,0,0.54,5.39,5.20
UAE3,0,1.34,4.60,4.37,0,21.87,15.17,2.94,47.45,0.68,0.92,0,0,0,0.65
UAE4,2.26,0,0,0,4.76,10.06,41.45,34.37,1.31,0.46,0,0.56,0.99,3.78,0
UAE5,0,4.11,0.70,1.56,0,17.45,28.70,13.31,13.26,0,0.08,0.56,0,7.26,13.01
UAE6,0.04,2.82,0,0,2.57,9.36,43.30,35.54,1.47,0.37,1.15,0,0,3.38,0
UAE7,0,0,0,3.65,0,13.30,34.31,26.12,12.58,0,0.72,0,0,5.58,3.74
UAE8,0,1.33,0,3.39,1.79,16.01,37.16,21.21,8.23,0,0.07,0,0,5.19,5.63
UAE9,0,0,2.64,7.97,0,18.78,10.57,1.86,18.87,0,0.29,0,0.11,7.93,30.99
WAL001,33.85,35.44,10.76,5.71,8.28,3.99,0,0.62,0.37,0,0,0.86,0.12,0,0
WAL002,34.48,29.58,10.77,9.73,7.33,5.76,0.37,0,0,0,0,0.11,0.51,1.33,0.04
WAL003,33.31,26.26,13.62,11.42,9.53,4.21,0,0.84,0.81,0,0,0,0,0,0
WAL004,35.42,30.92,7.69,10.80,8.71,4.63,0,0.29,0.37,0,0,1.18,0,0,0
Welsh1,33.37,35.67,11.00,5.56,8.15,4.02,0,0.60,0.43,0,0,0.96,0.22,0,0
Welsh2,34.70,29.51,10.82,9.59,7.16,5.67,0.67,0,0,0,0,0.16,0.49,1.18,0.05
Welsh3,33.12,26.06,13.82,11.60,9.41,4.38,0,0.83,0.77,0,0,0,0,0,0
Welsh4,35.46,30.87,7.76,10.50,8.60,4.80,0,0.41,0.35,0,0,1.24,0,0,0

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I'm posting all individuals instead of averages as each group has some diversity, would be cool to check it.

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Wait a moment I will post Eurogenes K15 averages for these samples as well, below:

Armenia 35 academic samples:

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Armenia35avg,3.16,3.33,2.76,2.71,6.24,40.51,35.75,3.03,1.68,0.14,0.18,0.14,0.26,0.04,0.07

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Ireland 7 academic samples:

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Ireland7avg,37.38,31.38,9.11,8.32,7.54,4.41,0.12,0.14,0.50,0,0.06,0.72,0.30,0.01,0

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Scotland 10 academic samples:

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Scotland10avg,36.72,30.40,9.52,9.13,7.40,3.92,1.23,0.46,0.75,0.02,0,0.32,0.07,0.04,0.01

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UAE, 27 academic samples:

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Uae27avg,0.37,1.12,0.60,2.49,1.91,14.47,33.15,22.64,13.44,0.14,0.39,0.36,0.42,3.67,4.83

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Wales 8 academic samples:

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Welsh8avg,34.21,30.54,10.78,9.36,8.40,4.68,0.13,0.45,0.39,0,0,0.56,0.17,0.31,0.01

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

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Yes there is, available on G25 and cited in recent Roman study. It is North Italian like. Sample you speak about had laughable low number of snps are thus funny results.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

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The sample you're thinking of that got removed was a Bronze Age sample from Montenegro.

Armenia35avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/PYRMwcS.png

Scotland10avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/5LL0TVa.png

Ireland7avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/yEMC38r.png

Welsh8avg (I guess there was no Welsh average so far?):

https://i.imgur.com/0xoJSJv.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century.

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Okay. Can you post some quotes on people from the Dinarics speaking Romance (from that time period)? I haven't really heard of such people and info isn't easy to find on them.

United Arab Emirates samples, only top 1st closest population to each sample:

Distance to: UAE8
10.65488620 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE7
15.68126589 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE6
3.90126902 Saudi

Distance to: UAE5 [strong SSA admixture]
19.75588520 Syrian

Distance to: UAE4
3.87944584 Saudi

Distance to: UAE3
11.75433537 Sindhi

Distance to: UAE2
9.51299112 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE14
29.24029070 Makrani

Distance to: UAE131
29.31642884 Makrani

Distance to: UAE13
5.76034721 Saudi

Distance to: UAE127
5.47792844 Saudi

Distance to: UAE125 [strong SSA admixture]
16.88413160 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE12 [strong SSA admixture]
16.93124331 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE111
5.49577110 Saudi

Distance to: UAE11
5.13335173 Saudi

Distance to: UAE10
8.36545277 Saudi

Distance to: UAE1
6.72547396 Iranian_Bandari

Distance to: UAE090
8.32863134 Saudi

Distance to: UAE048
10.71774230 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE047
15.56169978 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE042
3.97232929 Saudi

Distance to: UAE041 [strong SSA admixture]
19.81676058 Syrian

Distance to: UAE038
3.93472998 Saudi

Distance to: UAE008
11.61099479 Sindhi

Distance to: UAE005
9.74378776 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE004
6.89483865 Iranian_Bandari

Distance to: UAE9 [strong SSA admixture]
31.73575428 Iranian_Bandari

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SUMMARY:

Saudi = 10 occurences
Bedouin = 8 occurences
Iranian_Bandari = 3 occurences
Makrani = 2 occurences
Syrian = 2 occurences
Sindhi = 2 occurences

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Armenia35avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/PYRMwcS.png

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Armenians, one-by-one individual analysis, top 1st closest population to each sample:

Distance to: armenia91
5.66559794 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia86
11.81969966 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia80
5.06272654 Armenian_West

Distance to: armenia73
13.06688180 Kurd

Distance to: armenia71
7.96595255 Armenian_East

Distance to: armenia7
4.80192670 Armenian_West

Distance to: armenia36
10.58831904 Greek_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia3
5.34208761 Armenian_West

Distance to: armenia293
16.53057773 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia279
10.34473779 Iranian_Jew

Distance to: armenia191
9.10285669 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia176
5.77309276 Armenian_West

Distance to: armenia162
8.08732960 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: armenia139
11.30822709 Iranian_Jew

Distance to: armenia106
14.34588443 Kurd

Distance to: armenia102
12.26363323 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: arm9
5.30393250 Armenian_West

Distance to: arm8
9.00579813 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: arm7
14.35068639 Gagauz

Distance to: arm6
7.72787810 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: arm5
8.85441133 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: arm4
11.17270334 Turk_Meskhetian

Distance to: arm3
9.28437397 Greek_Trabzon

Distance to: arm26
6.56187473 Georgian_Laz

Distance to: arm23
7.97439653 Georgian_Laz

Distance to: arm21
12.63552532 Moldavian

Distance to: arm20
9.37326517 Abhkasian

Distance to: arm19
13.50181099 Iranian_Jew

Distance to: arm18
8.65568599 Turkish_Trabzon

Distance to: arm17
4.54551427 Armenian_West

Distance to: arm14
13.70393374 Gagauz

Distance to: arm13
9.82283564 Turkish_Anatolia

Distance to: arm12
11.88543226 Georgian_Laz

Distance to: arm11
9.95061807 Greek_Trabzon

Distance to: arm10
5.13598092 Armenian_East

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SUMMARY:

Turkish_Trabzon = 10 occurences
Armenian_West = 6 occurences
Greek_Trabzon = 3 occurences
Georgian_Laz = 3 occurences
Iranian_Jew = 3 occurences
Armenian_East = 2 occurences
Kurd = 2 occurences
Gagauz = 2 occurences
Turkish_Anatolia = 1 occurence
Turk_Meskhetian = 1 occurence
Abhkasian = 1 occurence
Moldavian = 1 occurence

Harappaworld results with additional populations added thanks to Mingle. Surprisingly after living in West Asia for 100s or 1000s of years I expected that as Kurds we would be 10 times closer to our Assyrian and other local neighbors than Eastern Iranics or some Central Asians but it doesn't seem to be the case.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/e5vpmGd.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qRRRekr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0cPEsSx.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/DoHZi1j.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/kdV9XpJ.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/BcwWbjf.jpg[/IMG]

What kind of Diaspora is this?:

United Arab Emirates academic sample 14:

Target: UAE14
Distance: 1.4974% / 1.49736466
37.2 Piramalai
24.0 Yemenite_Jewish
14.0 Velamas
11.0 Saudi
6.6 Moroccan
5.6 Kurdish_Jew
1.0 Selkup
0.4 Anzick-1
0.2 Yoruban

United Arab Emirates academic sample 131:

Target: UAE131
Distance: 1.5016% / 1.50155678
39.6 Piramalai
23.2 Yemenite_Jewish
11.8 Velamas
10.6 Saudi
5.2 Moroccan
4.0 Samaritan
3.6 Kurdish_Jew
1.0 Selkup
0.4 Yoruban
0.2 Chukchi
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Sardinian

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Peterski

What kind of Diaspora is this?:

United Arab Emirates academic sample 14:

Target: UAE14
Distance: 1.4974% / 1.49736466
37.2 Piramalai
24.0 Yemenite_Jewish
14.0 Velamas
11.0 Saudi
6.6 Moroccan
5.6 Kurdish_Jew
1.0 Selkup
0.4 Anzick-1
0.2 Yoruban

United Arab Emirates academic sample 131:

Target: UAE131
Distance: 1.5016% / 1.50155678
39.6 Piramalai
23.2 Yemenite_Jewish
11.8 Velamas
10.6 Saudi
5.2 Moroccan
4.0 Samaritan
3.6 Kurdish_Jew
1.0 Selkup
0.4 Yoruban
0.2 Chukchi
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Sardinian

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They are South Indians. There is alot of Indian-Arab mixing in UAE

I have many more academic Armenians, will post K15 results of a few hundreds of them soon.

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Second portion:

38 samples of South-Western Armenians, Eurogenes K15 average:

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Armenian_Southwest,2.17,3.80,1.77,2.19,9.35,33.82,37.66,6.55,2.17,0.06,0.06,0.05,0.27,0.08,0.01

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https://i.imgur.com/QpHGCxT.png

Individual results (without sample names, the first column is North_Sea):

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NorthSea,Atlantic,Baltic,EasternEuro,WestMed,WestAsian,EastMed,RedSea,SouthAsian,SoutheastAsian,Siberian,Amerindian,Oceanian,NortheastAfrican,SubSaharan
1.09,4.56,1.68,2.26,9.33,32.74,37.8,6.59,3.93,0.02,0,0,0,0,0
3.81,0,1.75,5.29,9.34,33.67,35.77,7.98,1.96,0,0,0,0.43,0,0
6.41,0.08,0.7,5.32,10.7,35.82,33.06,5.17,1.51,0,0,0.08,0.38,0.71,0.06
2.08,3.2,2.16,1.85,12.93,34.75,37.35,3.01,2.17,0,0,0.05,0.46,0,0
3.21,4.81,2.81,2.97,9.02,33.64,35.71,6.72,1.12,0,0,0,0,0,0
0.88,6.75,3.23,2.32,9.22,32.64,36.67,5.89,1.77,0.38,0.25,0,0,0,0
0.6,4.47,0.84,0.89,9.62,38.66,37.04,5.21,2.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
3.74,3.84,0,4.17,7.03,37.09,35.84,5.41,2.31,0,0,0,0.58,0,0
0,7.93,1.99,3.46,7.93,31.43,38.97,6.68,1.01,0,0.18,0,0,0.43,0
0,6.69,4.16,2.31,10.29,31.55,34.66,7.6,2.73,0,0,0,0,0,0
2.84,3.82,4.04,0.52,8.07,32.44,37.97,5.47,3.03,0.86,0,0,0.94,0,0
1.97,2.06,1.91,0.62,10.6,36.9,35.8,7.48,2.51,0.04,0,0,0.11,0,0
0.8,6.05,1.87,2.73,7.41,33,39.28,6.18,2.25,0,0,0,0,0.43,0
2.72,3.88,0,2.27,8.5,36.14,39.08,4.35,1.82,0,1.26,0,0,0,0
3.7,4.83,0,4.85,7.11,29.25,38.63,9.31,2.32,0,0,0,0,0,0
4.41,4.78,0,0,10.25,31.71,41.43,5.86,1.22,0,0,0,0.35,0,0
0.69,1.69,3.95,6.38,10.56,29.4,39.26,5.16,2.33,0,0,0,0.5,0.07,0
4.8,8.05,2.77,0,8.42,29.25,36.06,7.13,3.45,0,0,0.05,0,0,0
0,6.28,0.51,2.14,8.4,35.38,37.95,8.14,1.17,0,0,0,0.01,0,0
3.48,0.15,0.95,1.52,11.62,33.6,39.02,6.56,1.9,0.45,0,0.01,0.74,0,0
1.05,2.24,2.65,0.34,8.9,38.47,37.96,5.38,2.79,0,0,0,0,0.22,0
1.88,5.01,3.73,0,8.4,31.77,40.22,7.61,0.68,0,0,0,0.48,0.22,0
2.04,5,0,0.09,11.27,35.62,38.51,5.23,1.18,0.39,0.43,0,0.24,0,0
1.24,4.53,0.66,2.6,9.92,33.89,38.29,4.61,3.14,0,0,0,1.02,0,0.1
5.01,0.35,0,0.28,11.73,32.17,39.89,7.08,3.08,0,0,0,0.41,0,0
0,7.48,0,2.21,9.5,33.22,37.02,7.62,2.94,0,0,0,0,0,0
0,7.05,1.2,1.89,8.92,33.25,36.16,8.01,3,0,0,0.53,0,0,0
0.13,1.71,1.97,4.5,9.71,34.29,39.41,6.03,1.96,0,0,0,0.25,0,0.03
2.28,2.04,1.62,5.16,8.59,35.05,36.42,7.59,0.9,0,0,0,0.13,0.23,0
1.84,8.08,1.29,0.59,6.68,35.24,35.61,7.42,2.9,0,0,0,0.34,0,0
0,0.95,4.42,1.59,8.85,37.51,37.32,7.74,1.3,0,0,0.34,0,0,0
1.47,2.15,2.98,0.3,9.38,33.46,39.28,7.41,2.7,0,0,0,0.83,0,0.05
2.22,1.18,1.63,2.68,12.2,32.66,38.01,7.22,2.2,0,0,0,0,0,0
4.26,3.08,2.37,1.95,8.42,33.32,36.44,6.34,3.68,0,0,0.14,0,0,0
3.24,4.92,0,1.43,8.04,34.62,38.12,6.67,1.89,0.06,0.18,0,0.83,0,0
0.17,4.19,0.56,3.7,9.71,35.14,38.7,5.22,1.81,0,0,0,0.66,0.12,0.02
3.96,0,4.44,0.12,6.83,36.79,37.84,7.36,0.89,0,0,0.73,0.57,0.45,0
4.31,0.34,2.53,1.86,11.83,29.71,38.65,8.34,2.32,0,0,0.1,0,0,0

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One hundred (n=100) academic samples of Armenians from several distinct regions of Armenia:

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Armenians_n=100_Armenia,3.78,3.63,1.39,2.84,7.22,36.46,35.33,5.73,3.14,0.03,0.06,0.11,0.18,0.05,0.05

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https://i.imgur.com/6PMpimV.png

They are of course different than those small samples posted before, from different sources.

Here are the results for each sample without sample names (first column is North_Sea):

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NorthSea,Atlantic,Baltic,EasternEuro,WestMed,WestAsian,EastMed,RedSea,SouthAsian,SoutheastAsian,Siberian,Amerindian,Oceanian,NortheastAfrican,SubSaharan
12.65,3.04,5.67,5.77,5.08,36.34,25.9,4.24,0.88,0.3,0,0,0.13,0,0
6.3,6.67,0,2.91,7.34,32.64,34.69,6.2,2.7,0,0.53,0,0.01,0,0
2.66,3.49,2.27,3.66,4,40.17,30.31,7.58,5.77,0,0,0,0.1,0,0
0.17,2.35,1.89,3.25,6.68,41.44,34.22,5.83,2.57,0.61,0,0,0,0,0.99
8,0.1,0,2.99,9.08,33.91,36.28,4.37,3.92,0,0,1.04,0.31,0,0
0,4.27,3.01,3.25,3.93,36.83,37.84,5.45,4.97,0.16,0,0.3,0,0,0
4.74,1.59,2.39,4.03,7.8,37.26,32.32,4.17,4.79,0,0.7,0,0.22,0,0
1.36,5.88,1.79,2.88,6.71,36.87,32.64,8.03,2.28,0,0,0,0.8,0.75,0
0.48,3.04,2.04,8.26,6.01,38.77,32.78,5.51,2.82,0,0,0,0,0,0.3
8.04,8.48,5.52,7.19,7.23,30.17,27.68,4.29,1.41,0,0,0,0,0,0
1.45,6.18,1.52,3.67,5.62,38.57,34.47,4.45,3.04,0,0,0.85,0.19,0,0
4.68,2.17,1.06,3.84,5.78,37.3,36.41,4.58,3.06,0.05,0,0.18,0,0,0.9
5.29,4.75,1.35,0,6.96,37.89,34.54,4.15,4.14,0,0.32,0.11,0,0.5,0
7.48,3.49,2.06,1.88,6.33,37.81,32.66,5.3,1.79,0,0.56,0,0.63,0,0
4.21,1.23,3.22,5.36,5.78,39.78,33.45,4.25,1.62,0,0,0.46,0,0.62,0
2.74,6.21,3.49,2.82,7.29,34.1,35.45,3.99,2.57,0,0,0,0.48,0.02,0.85
1.1,4.62,0,3.34,7.85,36.85,36.55,6.47,3.23,0,0,0,0,0,0
6.02,0,1,1.84,12.08,32.33,34.55,6.45,5.33,0.04,0.26,0.1,0,0,0
2.42,6.93,0.68,1.65,6.16,37.25,37.09,6.49,0.52,0,0,0,0.42,0.21,0.19
3.43,4.7,0,2.43,7.79,33.6,37.64,7.61,2.41,0,0,0.39,0,0,0
7.65,0,4.59,0.28,6.35,38.12,33.78,5.13,3.48,0,0,0,0.29,0.33,0
2.84,1.47,1.45,2.49,7.93,33.96,38.81,6.61,3.55,0,0.08,0.37,0.43,0,0
7.73,3.79,0,4.86,6.59,35.27,33.59,4.4,3.18,0,0,0,0.6,0,0
3.51,1.14,1.59,3.44,8.56,35.54,37.29,6.25,1.76,0,0.33,0,0.59,0,0
11.38,0,0,2.9,6.71,37.72,31.75,5.09,4.45,0,0,0,0,0,0
3.35,1.64,2.48,2.78,7.52,37.28,36.35,7.22,0.4,0,0,0.61,0.36,0,0
4.27,0,3.97,1.77,8.94,32.35,39.25,5.85,3.6,0,0,0,0,0,0
0.21,5.07,2.35,2.98,8.61,33.81,39.31,5.07,2.59,0,0,0,0,0,0
0,1.9,2.27,4.93,9.72,34.93,36.85,7.61,1.62,0,0,0,0.17,0,0
3.67,4.85,1.99,1.16,6.66,36.63,37.32,5.28,2.37,0.06,0,0,0,0,0
1.32,4.65,1.69,3.12,7.09,33.39,39.05,5.58,3.81,0,0,0,0.3,0,0
0.74,2.34,0.53,3.62,8.86,36.19,40.2,5.46,1.19,0,0,0.02,0.08,0.47,0.3
2.89,5.3,0,2.15,6.21,36.56,36.48,5.35,4.9,0,0,0,0,0,0.16
4.24,3.88,2.04,4.31,8.12,37.64,32.59,4.09,3.11,0,0,0,0,0,0
1.78,7.04,1.55,5.8,4.44,40.19,27.6,7.09,4.51,0,0,0,0,0,0
0,8.15,1.47,4.16,5.29,37.44,33.96,6.19,3.33,0,0,0,0,0,0
5.18,8.38,0.9,0,5.18,38.3,31.16,7.12,3.7,0,0,0.08,0,0,0
0,5.12,0,3.07,6.85,34.42,40.45,6.08,3.64,0,0,0,0.37,0,0
2.93,2.14,1.57,1.71,8.95,36.92,38.94,6.18,0.6,0,0,0,0.07,0,0
2.62,3.56,1.85,6.66,8.28,38.61,32.32,2.99,2.84,0,0,0.03,0,0.24,0
3.89,4.36,0.49,1.9,6.56,37.71,38.29,3.15,2.5,0.06,1.04,0,0.06,0,0
4.12,3.58,0.73,3.85,7.14,38.23,34.51,4.16,3.3,0,0.07,0.29,0,0.02,0
0.73,4.44,2.35,1.3,6.56,34.45,40.14,7.77,1.78,0,0,0,0.48,0,0
5.34,5.19,2.86,0.68,5.06,35,37.63,4.72,3.23,0,0,0,0.29,0,0
6.71,3.02,0.46,5,5.38,38.82,31.48,5.57,3.44,0,0,0,0.12,0,0
4.7,0,1.75,0.17,9,34.27,40.52,6.19,2.62,0,0,0.59,0.18,0,0
3.23,0.41,0,3.15,7.89,33.94,41.32,4.93,4.44,0,0,0.7,0,0,0
1.63,3.08,0.35,4.64,7.66,34.84,39.07,4.41,3.12,0,0,0.74,0.46,0,0
0.92,3.67,3.77,0.8,6.86,34.52,37.97,8.07,2.31,0,0.53,0,0.39,0.19,0
0.56,2.01,1.98,3.18,9.05,34.33,38.06,7.21,3.14,0.23,0.24,0,0,0,0
3.35,1.85,0,4.75,10.6,33.69,34.83,6.7,3.67,0.34,0,0,0,0.21,0
0,8.4,1.13,2.37,9.18,33.41,34.44,7.33,3.75,0,0,0,0,0,0
5.66,2.59,0,1.38,7.29,37.88,36.82,5.78,1.72,0,0,0.2,0.67,0,0
6.49,2.35,0,0.74,9.85,34.73,35.21,6.41,4.04,0,0,0,0.18,0,0
0,9.86,3.26,1.96,7,35.6,34.15,5.7,2.37,0,0,0.1,0,0,0
0,1.65,0,5.28,9.89,35.77,36.49,7.66,3.25,0,0,0,0,0,0
0,6.94,0,0,8.97,38.66,34.4,7.19,3.62,0,0,0,0.22,0,0
3.44,3.45,0.43,0.41,7.25,33.33,39.97,8.28,2.82,0,0,0.44,0,0.19,0
2.57,4.21,2,0.41,10.01,34.89,35.66,6.11,3.83,0.32,0,0,0,0,0
0,5.98,1.08,1.46,4.57,35.66,40.92,6.56,3.59,0,0.18,0,0,0,0
6.55,1.07,0.7,1.27,8.75,31.78,39.7,6.73,2.83,0.55,0,0.05,0,0,0
5.69,3.95,0,4.69,4.27,36.73,31.87,8.86,3.92,0,0,0.03,0,0,0
8.04,0,0.9,6.56,4.14,37.1,34.8,4.96,3.44,0,0.05,0,0,0,0
0,8.79,1.21,4.46,5.8,37.25,33.62,4.91,3.84,0,0.1,0,0,0,0
4.4,0.58,0,6.73,8.15,34.95,36.45,5.07,3.44,0.17,0,0,0.06,0,0
3.28,0,1.22,4.27,9.48,39.62,32.32,7.46,2.23,0,0,0,0,0.1,0
4.5,3.4,1.62,2.91,4.43,39.02,34.05,7.17,2.64,0,0,0,0,0,0.27
8.37,1.04,2.16,0.36,7.39,37.49,35.26,4.74,2.67,0,0.51,0,0,0,0
4.47,6.86,0,0,7.99,36.63,35.01,4.59,4.42,0,0,0,0.03,0,0
2.79,5.01,0,0.97,5.98,38.51,37.73,3.51,4.38,0,0,0.25,0.21,0.66,0
4.46,4.61,0,2.97,8.53,36.42,33.35,7.33,2.22,0,0,0.11,0,0,0
6.61,3.43,1.04,0.69,4.53,38.3,35.78,6.44,2.79,0,0,0,0.38,0,0
7.75,1.37,0,2.18,5.93,39.42,33.9,6.55,2.9,0,0,0,0,0,0
7.05,2.74,0.26,0.54,7.17,35.05,35.67,6.79,4.56,0,0,0,0,0,0.16
4.18,4.41,1.95,2.82,5.19,38.57,32.69,6.09,4.04,0,0,0,0.07,0,0
0,6.65,1.88,3.2,8.98,35.8,34.02,6.1,2.84,0,0,0,0.51,0,0.02
3.73,4.62,3.01,0,8.19,36.57,33.03,6.4,2.96,0,0,0.35,0.59,0.53,0
5.33,1.75,4,0.98,7.06,37.16,34.31,4.78,3.83,0,0,0,0.01,0,0.78
5.77,0.95,0,2.3,5.37,43.22,33.11,4.13,4.49,0,0,0.67,0,0,0
1.79,3.77,0,1.01,8.05,36.64,40.16,5.47,2.56,0,0.34,0.19,0,0,0.01
3.32,7.59,1.11,0.99,5.1,36.76,35.71,4.45,4.3,0,0,0,0.68,0,0
3.46,1.14,1.22,4.9,4.73,34.21,42.28,5.48,2.14,0,0,0,0.12,0.32,0
8.43,0,2.59,1.47,7.11,37.82,34.44,6,1.68,0,0,0.26,0.19,0,0
4.29,0.75,0,5.09,10.64,35.43,35.35,5.72,2.26,0,0,0.07,0.4,0,0
3.67,3.97,2.66,3.06,6.12,34.63,37.72,4.42,3.43,0,0.12,0,0.2,0,0
6.47,0.05,0,1.5,9.94,39.04,34.19,4.06,3.96,0,0,0,0.79,0,0
0,7.43,1.44,3.63,6.27,37.04,33.13,7.49,3.18,0.03,0,0,0.37,0,0
1.35,6.18,1.29,2.77,6.35,35.26,39.79,4.6,1.48,0,0,0.79,0.13,0,0
1.8,6.99,0.79,2.64,8.81,37.54,33.39,5.08,2.57,0,0.01,0,0.37,0,0
11.47,0,0,3.07,8.88,36.76,31.62,3.87,3.38,0,0.17,0.29,0.5,0,0
4.04,2.14,1.23,3.78,8.91,37.44,34.93,3.49,3.4,0,0,0,0.65,0,0
4.62,5.76,0.4,6.09,7.4,37,30.81,5.62,1.99,0,0,0.27,0,0,0.06
2.02,1.68,2.94,3.33,7.96,38.34,34.56,3.52,4.62,0.53,0,0,0.5,0,0
7.47,3.83,0,1.02,5.04,36.52,36.91,4.93,4.27,0,0,0,0,0,0
2.68,1.89,3.23,2.94,6.39,41.39,33.03,5.15,3.2,0,0,0,0,0,0.12
3.46,1.94,1.96,1.78,7.19,37.86,35.27,7.51,2.93,0,0,0,0,0,0.09
0,4.55,1.45,4.13,8.93,39.96,29.56,6.93,4.51,0,0,0,0,0,0
0.19,5.82,0,3.16,6.31,36.3,36.71,6.7,3.4,0,0,0,1.42,0,0
7.67,5.61,1.3,0,8.86,29.22,34.56,6.45,6.34,0,0,0,0,0,0

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Here are some of my avearges for K15:

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Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15,6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05
Albanian-Kosovo,14.93,15.66,11.94,6.23,18.27,10.32,19.43,2.54,0.09,0.30,0.04,0.04,0.21,0.00,0.00
Albanian-Macedonia,11.79,17.19,12.38,6.66,16.85,10.32,20.82,3.28,0.04,0.38,0.11,0.03,0.17,0.00,0.00
Albanian-North,14.45,14.29,11.27,5.18,18.11,11.91,21.57,2.68,0.00,0.03,0.05,0.15,0.24,0.07,0.00
Albanian-South,13.63,14.55,9.85,5.47,17.69,11.03,23.38,3.51,0.00,0.25,0.09,0.34,0.16,0.00,0.04
Austria-Burgenland,27.63,20.42,15.58,12.08,9.89,5.91,5.45,0.69,0.63,0.01,0.05,0.86,0.34,0.27,0.19
Austria-Tyrol,25.37,22.36,10.49,8.78,13.81,8.06,8.11,1.89,0.10,0.17,0.28,0.28,0.16,0.10,0.06
Belgium,32.68,27.36,9.52,7.25,10.65,5.06,5.22,0.60,0.64,0.07,0.13,0.11,0.22,0.32,0.15
Bosniak,16.68,16.19,21.25,13.20,11.12,8.39,10.75,1.07,0.59,0.29,0.09,0.19,0.08,0.08,0.05
Bulgarian_Thracian,7.44,15.78,16.37,6.07,14.41,11.92,22.38,2.27,2.17,0.67,0.28,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Bulgarian,14.40,14.28,16.61,9.81,13.50,10.73,17.01,2.37,0.23,0.09,0.19,0.39,0.32,0.06,0.01
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8.91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14.76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17.82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16.91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22.54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19.20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.69,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
France_Corsica,13.78,21.54,5.02,1.26,24.13,8.14,22.27,3.14,0.01,0.27,0.07,0.04,0.26,0.06,0.01
Czech,23.49,20.03,22.22,13.99,9.20,4.59,3.88,1.05,0.53,0.08,0.09,0.37,0.20,0.11,0.14
Danish,39.23,25.55,13.14,10.31,5.77,2.83,0.81,0.31,0.76,0.18,0.01,0.59,0.17,0.18,0.14
Dutch,36.81,27.02,10.81,9.42,8.04,3.92,1.47,0.72,0.83,0.03,0.16,0.24,0.17,0.31,0.05
England,36.15,29.24,10.14,8.74,9.22,3.96,0.75,0.23,0.66,0.07,0.04,0.35,0.24,0.05,0.16
France-South,24.81,28.86,7.83,4.15,20.13,2.81,8.79,1.30,0.44,0.08,0.09,0.39,0.13,0.09,0.07
Gagauz,13.85,12.01,15.31,9.84,13.82,12.36,18.58,2.86,0.29,0.13,0.19,0.24,0.47,0.04,0.00
Greek_Crete,8.69,10.84,7.57,3.47,16.52,16.62,30.27,4.78,0.01,0.10,0.18,0.14,0.51,0.24,0.06
Macedonian,14.32,14.52,13.71,9.18,15.61,10.30,18.71,2.88,0.09,0.17,0.05,0.18,0.26,0.02,0.00
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12.69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,13.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Norway,39.19,23.96,13.30,11.79,6.40,2.39,0.24,0.07,0.47,0.05,1.08,0.58,0.25,0.17,0.06
Romania_Ne,16.39,15.98,19.22,12.75,10.65,9.33,11.62,1.95,0.04,0.36,1.26,0.07,0.08,0.25,0.04
Romania_Nw,17.07,15.18,18.02,13.43,12.11,7.48,12.84,1.27,0.27,0.46,1.21,0.31,0.34,0.02,0.00
Romania_Se,17.84,12.38,15.14,11.64,15.21,7.88,14.22,2.06,1.27,0.21,1.00,0.64,0.29,0.23,0.00
Romania_South,16.57,13.97,16.17,8.97,13.72,11.44,15.14,2.36,0.15,0.55,0.25,0.54,0.16,0.00,0.05
Romania_Sw,16.69,14.59,17.91,8.98,13.57,9.89,14.00,2.04,0.58,0.00,1.08,0.29,0.40,0.00,0.00
Scotland,37.96,28.39,9.51,10.04,7.46,3.26,1.28,0.26,0.76,0.03,0.19,0.48,0.13,0.03,0.25
South_Serbian,17.53,16.17,15.54,11.30,13.19,10.26,13.26,1.49,0.07,0.04,0.04,0.42,0.28,0.10,0.29
Slovak,24.13,15.37,23.26,17.25,8.47,3.93,3.58,1.55,0.70,0.00,0.26,0.42,0.33,0.43,0.05
Slovenian,21.68,18.51,20.42,14.29,10.90,5.88,6.34,0.99,0.29,0.09,0.11,0.18,0.15,0.11,0.03
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26.38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.24,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31.66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29.68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14.12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
North_Swedish,37.45,23.37,14.64,13.68,6.12,1.22,0.23,0.11,0.75,0.18,0.91,0.78,0.43,0.02,0.11
Aland_Sweden,32.07,22.77,18.94,17.59,4.27,0.00,0.03,0.00,1.25,0.04,1.91,0.78,0.34,0.00,0.00
Swedish,38.75,24.05,14.44,11.79,5.64,2.45,0.29,0.27,0.74,0.11,0.43,0.55,0.29,0.08,0.11
Ukraine_East,18.08,13.38,31.97,22.31,6.69,2.68,1.10,0.14,1.86,0.29,0.40,0.42,0.36,0.20,0.12

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The Bulgarian Thrace sample is much closer to Greeks than to Bulgarians proper. Are they Aegean Bulgarians from Greek Thrace?

What do you think about this huge sample of 100 Armenians? Average is close to both West and East Armenians:

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Armenians_n=100_Armenia,3.78,3.63,1.39,2.84,7.22,36.46,35.33,5.73,3.14,0.03,0.06,0.11,0.18,0.05,0.05

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https://i.imgur.com/6PMpimV.png

They are from several different regions/cities, but all within present-day country Armenia (if Google Maps is right).

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Originally Posted by harutsafaryan07

For K 13

Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55, 16.36,8.88,1.83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0. 21

Nusayri,5.95,1.56,13.93,24.33,39.43,9.69,1.82,0.42 ,0.76,0.21,0.35,1.28,0.23

Georgian_imereti,2.27,2.24,11.58,54.44,23.83,1.88, 2.24,0.27,0.06,0,0.89,0.01,0.25

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Which country is the Nusayri from? Syria?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

What do you think about this huge sample of 100 Armenians? Average is close to both West and East Armenians:

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Armenians_n=100_Armenia,3.78,3.63,1.39,2.84,7.22,36.46,35.33,5.73,3.14,0.03,0.06,0.11,0.18,0.05,0.05

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https://i.imgur.com/6PMpimV.png

They are from several different regions/cities, but all within present-day country Armenia (if Google Maps is right).

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Probably a mix of East Armenians (native to modern day Armenia) and West Armenian migrants. It's pretty interesting it gets West Armenians as it's top population. East Armenians may have a decent amount of diversity. I didn't expect them to have any notable amount given the size of their country.

Also, this should be the new Armenian average on K15.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Okay. Can you post some quotes on people from the Dinarics speaking Romance (from that time period)? I haven't really heard of such people and info isn't easy to find on them.

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There are no many sources to tell the truth. Classic historians consider in medieval only eastern and southern Balkans had strong Romanophone Vlach presence (especially Epirus and Thessaly - called Great Wallachia), who later migrated north and west, and this was intensified by Ottoman conquest. Theory goes to say how those Vlachs became Slavophone in Serbia and Bosnia, and admixed with local south Slavs, by the time they arrived to Croatia they were already not very different from autochtonous populations.

Top 1st most similar populations for each of 100 Armenians from the large group, using K15:

Distance to: sample1.txt
8.87403516 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample2.txt
6.10656204 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample3.txt
4.95624858 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample4.txt
3.74338082 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample5.txt
4.11110691 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample6.txt
7.06950493 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample7.txt
4.57803451 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample8.txt
5.04690004 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample9.txt
3.51008547 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample10.txt
9.86892598 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample11.txt
4.06535361 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample12.txt
6.81457996 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample13.txt
5.43629469 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample14.txt
6.55656922 Greek_Trabzon

Distance to: sample15.txt
5.00907177 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample16.txt
3.58895528 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample17.txt
6.95898700 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample18.txt
6.64066262 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample19.txt
5.92984823 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample20.txt
5.85975255 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample21.txt
7.12361565 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample22.txt
4.80038540 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample23.txt
3.85626763 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample24.txt
5.38109654 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample25.txt
2.51207086 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample26.txt
6.45655481 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample27.txt
5.83566620 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample28.txt
5.59656144 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample29.txt
3.71295031 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample30.txt
6.32765359 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample31.txt
5.65756131 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample32.txt
6.89790548 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample33.txt
3.59208853 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample34.txt
5.41176496 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample35.txt
5.15875954 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample36.txt
6.37491961 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample37.txt
6.35547795 Kurd

Distance to: sample38.txt
5.97380113 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample39.txt
5.48276390 Assyrian

Distance to: sample40.txt
6.95292744 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample41.txt
3.90216607 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample42.txt
3.78132252 Assyrian

Distance to: sample43.txt
6.18134290 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample44.txt
4.58287028 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample45.txt
7.58965085 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample46.txt
5.35621135 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample47.txt
5.17185653 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample48.txt
7.52133632 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample49.txt
3.91485632 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample50.txt
4.08547427 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample51.txt
5.12271412 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample52.txt
4.95947578 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample53.txt
5.61977758 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample54.txt
6.18624280 Assyrian

Distance to: sample55.txt
5.02350475 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample56.txt
7.04736830 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample57.txt
5.07882861 Assyrian

Distance to: sample58.txt
2.94930500 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample59.txt
5.96446980 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample60.txt
5.08377812 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample61.txt
4.24517373 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample62.txt
5.40690300 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample63.txt
6.32667369 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample64.txt
6.02342926 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample65.txt
6.09840963 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample66.txt
2.83015901 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample67.txt
5.17723865 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample68.txt
5.32683771 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample69.txt
4.00966333 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample70.txt
4.85926949 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample71.txt
4.16209082 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample72.txt
5.70936073 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample73.txt
5.59002683 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample74.txt
3.88197115 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample75.txt
9.44941268 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample76.txt
2.67121695 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample77.txt
6.35033070 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample78.txt
3.24830725 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample79.txt
7.13454974 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample80.txt
3.87739603 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample81.txt
6.12714452 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample82.txt
6.99629902 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample83.txt
4.13213020 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample84.txt
5.44724701 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample85.txt
5.10766091 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample86.txt
4.61416298 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample87.txt
4.41180235 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample88.txt
4.97569091 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample89.txt
4.05907625 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample90.txt
8.25000606 Turkish_Anatolia

Distance to: sample91.txt
6.45159670 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample92.txt
4.07378203 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample93.txt
4.34903438 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample94.txt
7.33270073 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample95.txt
6.77059820 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample96.txt
5.05574920 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample97.txt
5.65299036 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample98.txt
7.10558231 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample99.txt
12.53196712 Azeri_Dagestan

[QUOTE=Peterski;6406921]Armenia35avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/PYRMwcS.png

Looks fairly similar to my Armenian_East average. Which region were these 35 kits from?

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Originally Posted by FinalFlash

Looks fairly similar to my Armenian_East average. Which region were these 35 kits from?

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I'm not sure, there is no regional label. But look, one of them even resembles Moldavians. :) Obviously mixed with Russians.

I think the 100 samples group is much better, and I have regional origins information for each of these 100 samples. Tomorrow I will split them and calculate regional averages.

All of them are from towns in present-day Armenia, but maybe some of these towns are populated by descendants of West Armenians?

PS:

Judging by high similarity to Turkish Trabzon, the sample of 35 Armenians is probably from somewhere close to the Black Sea (or at least a large part of this sample is from there)?

And the Southwest Armenian sample is from areas close to the Mediterranean Sea.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

There are no many sources to tell the truth. Classic historians consider in medieval only eastern and southern Balkans had strong Romanophone Vlach presence (especially Epirus and Thessaly - called Great Wallachia), who later migrated north and west, and this was intensified by Ottoman conquest. Theory goes to say how those Vlachs became Slavophone in Serbia and Bosnia, and admixed with local south Slavs, by the time they arrived to Croatia they were already not very different from autochtonous populations.

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Whatever Romance speaking populations that inhabited the territories; of modern Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia are either native there, or immigrated from what is now Romania. Aromanians from Greece have nothing to do with your "Vlachs".

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Originally Posted by Peterski

I'm not sure, there is no regional label. But look, one of them even resembles Moldavians. :) Obviously mixed with Russians.

I think the 100 samples group is much better, and I have regional origins information for each of these 100 samples. Tomorrow I will split them and calculate regional averages.

All of them are from towns in present-day Armenia, but maybe some of these towns are populated by descendants of West Armenians?

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Judging by high similarity to Turkish Trabzon, the sample of 35 Armenians is probably from somewhere close to the Black Sea (or at least a large part of this sample is from there)?

And the Southwest Armenian sample is from areas close to the Mediterranean Sea.

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Some towns in present-day Armenia does have a Western presence. I don't think that many Armenians are from close to the Black Sea. Armenians from Armenia generally show high similarity to Black Sea Turks and Pontics.

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Probably a mix of East Armenians (native to modern day Armenia) and West Armenian migrants. It's pretty interesting it gets West Armenians as it's top population. East Armenians may have a decent amount of diversity. I didn't expect them to have any notable amount given the size of their country.

Also, this should be the new Armenian average on K15.

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Nothing surprising here. Historic Armenia was bigger than what you currently see.

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Which country is the Nusayri from? Syria?

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Nothing surprising here. Historic Armenia was bigger than what you currently see.

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Yes. But if 50%+ of the samples are of Armenians native to modern Armenia (my assumption), then you'd expect them to get East Armenian as their top population.

So this means either one of two things:
1. Most of the samples (50%+) are of people descended from West Armenian migrants.
2. There are a LOT of East Armenians that score West Armenian as their top population.

Based on the few results I've seen of them, they're not that difficult to distinguish, so that's why I found the Armenians from Armenia getting West Armenian first pretty interesting. Maybe 1/2 of East Armenians are genetically West Armenian-like and the ones that can be distinguished are mainly from the northern part of the country.

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Yes. But if 50%+ of the samples are of Armenians native to modern Armenia (my assumption), then you'd expect them to get East Armenian as their top population.

So this means either one of two things:
1. Most of the samples (50%+) are of people descended from West Armenian migrants.
2. There are a LOT of East Armenians that score West Armenian as their top population.

Based on the few results I've seen of them, they're not that difficult to distinguish, so that's why I found the Armenians from Armenia getting West Armenian first pretty interesting. Maybe 1/2 of East Armenians are genetically West Armenian-like and the ones that can be distinguished are mainly from the northern part of the country.

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No, I counted roughly 30 out of 100 that get Armenian-West as their top matches. Even then, they are probably very close to Armenian_East. The rest get either Armenian-East or Greek_Trabzon, Turk Trabzon/East. The latter are quite close to Eastern Armenians genetically.

Some Armenians from Armenia do have Western background but that number is a lot lower than 50%. As a matter of fact, the significant bulk of westerners emmigrated just prior to the collapse of the USSR.


38 of those 100 samples on Peterski's last post here are of Armenians from Lebanon too.