I love that part of Turkey where such people exist! Those are pretty much indigenous people.
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This quote is legend! Well said! :D :D Only the Eastern Black Sea Turks are actually assimilated Laz, Armenians, Georgians etc. Others are pretty more or less admixed with Turkics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Indeed I wish I was half CA-admixed Turk + half assimilated native Black Sea Turk. For example; half Eskişehir + half Trabzon Turk... I'm fan of East Black Sea culture and music, especially their foods are delicious as hell! :amour101:
Nah, no offense. I carried the mood here from another disussion. In all seriousness, that person is indeed unique. Even his North European is very minor. There was a Turkish female here called Prinses (living in the Netherlands). She scored similarly, Armeno-Kartvelian with almost zero Mongoloid (maybe 1 percent or so). She shared her photo with me but unfortunately I don't have her Dodecad.
Guys, no need to fight! You both are right. Only natives in Turkey are Lazes, Georgians, Pontic Greeks and Armenians. And the Eastern Black Sea Turks (eastern Trabzon, Rize, Artvin) are just assimilated local Caucasians. We can see it at their results since they score 0% Mongoloid and cluster with their neighbour ethnicities.
But interestingly they're the most patriot citizens. Even more than Western Anatolian Turks...
I mean why not beeing a real native anatolian is better than fake IE anatolian who havnt another thing to do as always trolling Turks. Even you would score 0% Turkic, your still 100% turkish, like other who score nearly non IE genetics and are proud of them.
No matter. I mean i have nothing against people whon want to have eastasian admix, but i hate it that many turks see in every turk who are posted here turanid influence...Quote:
Nah, no offense. I carried the mood here from another disussion. In all seriousness, that person is indeed unique. Even his North European is very minor. There was a Turkish female here called Prinses (living in the Netherlands). She scored similarly, Armeno-Kartvelian with almost zero Mongoloid (maybe 1 percent or so). She shared her photo with me but unfortunately I don't have her Dodecad.
Kashmiris
Kit M554108
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 36.21
2 South_Asian 30.6
3 Caucasus 14.35
4 North_European 10.61
5 Siberian 3.46
6 Southwest_Asian 2.29
7 East_Asian 1.79
8 Atlantic_Med 0.38
9 Southeast_Asian 0.32
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Kit A349394
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 37.88
2 South_Asian 32.18
3 Caucasus 11.52
4 North_European 10.5
5 East_Asian 2.98
6 Siberian 1.96
7 Southwest_Asian 1.75
8 Atlantic_Med 0.78
9 Southeast_Asian 0.44
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Kit M930675
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 37.79
2 South_Asian 32.48
3 North_European 10.77
4 Caucasus 10.05
5 Siberian 3.2
6 Atlantic_Med 2.85
7 East_Asian 1.97
8 Sub_Saharan 0.51
9 Southwest_Asian 0.35
10 East_African 0.04
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I wanna meet a Gagauz-Yakut mix, lol. There may be one out there. Would be cool.
Turkish Dodecad k12b results from Sivas(a province in Central-east Turkey)
https://i.hizliresim.com/3qXvj9.png
I've seen a Yakut(female)-Azerbaijani(male) couple and their kids look East Asian + Turkish mixQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
No, I think being real native anatolian is far better than fake IE who's only trolling Turks. But if that fake IE is inoffensive, than it's ok too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gecko
Also yes, I agree with you. Even if you are 0% Turkic but your culture and native language are Turkish, then you're Turkish
True, that kid looks nothing different than an Uzbek or a Kazakh/Kyrgyz. But she also looks like a Turkish-Korean mix girl's childhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Also I suppose that kid is genetically 60% Turkic, 20% Caucasian and 20% Iranic
That child will be 100% turkic, if you a half yakut, you dont need to discuss how turkic you are XD
Her close relative titled 'Yamnaya', lol
Population
Gedrosia 28.47 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 0.56 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.53 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.43 Pct
North_European 7.93 Pct
South_Asian 3.56 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.85 Pct
East_Asian 1.30 Pct
Caucasus 40.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 3.33
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.6
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.04
1 80% Iranians (Behar) + 20% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.77
2 78.6% Iranians (Behar) + 21.4% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.91
3 80.7% Iranians (Behar) + 19.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.99
4 80.6% Iranians (Behar) + 19.4% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.01
5 73.7% Iranians (Behar) + 26.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.04
Target: Yamnaya
Distance: 1.9177% / 1.91770495 | ADC: 0.5x
35.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
28.8 Iranian
28.0 Iran_Mazandaran
7.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.2 Iran_Khorasan
Target: Yamnaya
Distance: 1.2667% / 1.26673011 | ADC: 0.25x
45.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan
38.4 Iran_Mazandaran
10.8 Kurd
4.8 Dargin
0.4 Andalucia
0.4 Chinese
0.2 Sandawe_He
I think its important to know who was tested. Were all of them turks? Sivas has also Circassian and kurdish/zaza settlements. Or a general question: Do alevi turks and sunni turks differ? I mean for example tahtaci should score at least 10-15% eastasian, but whats with central anatolian alevis?
Yes, they are. But one of Sivas_East results has some Meskhetian Turk ancestry (Meskhetian Turks score 0%-3% Mongoloid)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gecko
No, they don't differ much. Only South_Asian is higher in Alevis, and this probably refers to Iranic ancestry
Georgian
Population
Gedrosia 19.44 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.31 Pct
North_European 9.26 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.29 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 55.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Zura
3.59456534 Turk_Ahiska
5.26670675 Georgian_Imereti
5.48543526 Georgian_Gurian
5.59366606 Georgian_Turkey
5.99448079 Laz
6.08273787 Abkhazian
6.18304132 Georgian_Adjara
6.64947366 Hemshin
7.23763083 Georgian_Mingrelian
7.66697463 Georgian_Svan
Target: Zura
Distance: 1.1032% / 1.10321438 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Turk_Ahiska
28.4 Georgian_Imereti
26.6 Georgian_Gurian
2.2 French_Basque
Another Trabzonian, they seem to be one of the least mongoloid people in the world (if anyone can tell me why the city never really got settled by Turks feel free to let me know):
Gedrosian 13.54,
Siberian 0,
NW Afr 0,
SE Asia 0,
Atl_med 9.95,
N_Euro 4.06,
S.Asia 0.78,
E.Africa 0,
SW Asia 12.63,
E.Asia 0,
Caucasus 59.04
SSA 0
Distance to: Turk_Trabzon
4.60002174 Hemshin
4.89707055 Laz
5.02902575 Greek_Pontus
5.56700997 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.66118137 Georgian_Adjara
8.43453615 Georgian_Turkey
10.03840625 Turk_Ahiska
10.21349597 Georgian_Imereti
10.25349696 Georgia_Jews
10.63910711 Azerbaijan_Jews
10.92367154 Assyrian
11.05616118 Armenian_West
11.57833753 Armenian_East
12.00030416 Georgian_Gurian
12.26684148 Georgian_Mingrelian
14.57284804 Assyrian
14.62874567 Abkhazian
14.69902378 Turk_East
14.80086484 Greek_Cappadocia
14.99957333 Georgian_Svan
15.74016201 Druze
15.82803209 Iranian_Jews
16.53095883 Uzbekistan_Jews
17.21900113 Cypriots
17.41460881 Iraq_Jews
Target: Turk_Trabzon
Distance: 3.5347% / 3.53473907 | ADC: 0.25x
88.0 Laz
9.8 Samaritians
2.2 Cypriots
59% Caucasus is extremely high. Only some Georgians can exceed 60%. Georgians are the purest Caucasians actually.
Some Turks from Trabzon also score East Eurasian. You can check Turkish outlier average,
https://turkishdnaproject.com/
Its easy: may many diagree, but whether you like or not turks havnt anything against nonturks and yes also christians. Tranzon were once a christian city. After conquering city the people didnt make problems and lived their live(yes they do even they gave taxes). So turks wantad that this situation remaind unchanged so they didnt settle any turks. And lazes were a mountain people, i wouldnt say they were totally isolated but much more than many others in Ottoman Empire. The black sea mountains are difficult to access, but offer good conditions self supply. The climate and land is the best of all tukey, unfortunately very hilly. Also they have aown character, intermarriage were sometimes difficult, a relative of me marries a trabzon guy and we definitely see many differences between us. Just on the border to Giresun and gümüshane, maybe bayburt you would find Turkic settlement where the people could score 3-10% east asian.
Tunceli Kurd
Gedrosian: 23.73
Siberian: 1.54
Northwest_African: 0.69
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.93
North_European: 10.54
South_Asian 2.71
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.09
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 37.48
SSA: 0.39
Distance to: Tunceli
4.56053725 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.08465338 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.22157064 Azerbaijani
5.97999164 Zaza
6.26890740 Kurd_Sorani
6.46187279 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.01412147 Turkmen_Iraq
7.10636335 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.31635838 Turk_Southeast
8.68031105 Iranian_Fars
8.70906424 Iranian
8.78725213 Kurds
8.82223328 Kurd
8.85948080 Kurd_KAZ
8.90918066 Lur_Iran
9.67938015 Iran_Central_East
10.11877463 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.16557918 Turk_Central_East
10.64160702 Iranians
10.73999534 Turk_East
10.81988447 Turk_South
10.84210312 Iran_Khorasan
11.47476797 Turk_Central_West
11.59268735 Turk_Anatolia
12.24539914 Uzbekistan_Jews
Target: Tunceli
Distance: 1.0498% / 1.04978266 | ADC: 0.25x
90.0 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.4 German
2.6 Yagnobi
2.0 Tabasaran
1.6 Swedish
0.4 Iran_Central_East
@Kyp Snow, what would be the highest South_Asian % in Azerbaijan? At least based on what you've seen.
Eastern & central Trabzon and Rize Turks are probably the purest Caucasoids ever. But western Trabzon and neighbouring province Giresun have the highest Mongoloid ever after the Western provinces, ınterestingly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Western Trabzon Turks score 4%-16% Mongoloid, because that area is inhabited by Chepni Turks.
Agree. I think these are the purest and nearly non mixed caucasians. Even khazars didn’t conquer this area. Lazes are probably one of the purest people in neighborhood of westasians and europeans.
a old greek workmate will marry a trabzon girl, also a relative of me a trabzon guy.Quote:
If so, I bet they are hybridizing now. There is no segregation or religious barriers after all.
Yes, most likely. For example; Ekrem Imamoğlu(the mayor of Istanbul) is a Chepni Turk from Akçaabat, western Trabzon and is Alpine-Pontid + Turanid, his wife is from Sürmene or Arsın (central Trabzon districts) and she looks very assimilated Laz. I guess such examples are more common than we think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
With new references
Target: Mortimer
Distance: 2.0676% / 2.06764040 | ADC: 0.25x
46.4 Balkan_Gypsy
21.2 Turk_Romania
18.2 HUN_Szekely
11.0 Pomak
3.2 Italy_FriuliVG
With everything removed except for the BG and Serb
Target: Mortimer
Distance: 2.1896% / 2.18956391
54.0 Balkan_Gypsy
46.0 Serb
Very good!