That's Paleo-Balkan branch of R1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
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That's Paleo-Balkan branch of R1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
R1b-L23 in Europe directly came from Yamna or other IE peoples as the Yamna samples were almost all R1b-L23. Today in Europe R1b-L23 is most common among Balkanites and was even found in a Vucedol sample in Croatia. The downstream of L23 called BY611 is most common among AlbaniansQuote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
Most likely it was original Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian and Hellenic IE marker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Yh I think it's responsible for the diffusion of IE languages in the Balkans. I remember reading that the fact that Illyrians were most likely R1b-L23 suggests that they were Satem speakers and not Centum speakers, not sure how accurate this isQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
J2a-M319 here, my maternal side is I2a2-M223. Both paleo-Balkan haplogroups.
Cool. So this Yamna culture was a close offshoot of the original Indo-European one then? I always thought that was more associated with what would later become the Indo-Iranian peoples. Also, what's the most up to date research on the PIE homeland? North of the Caucasus in the Pontic Steppe of southern Russia or in Anatolia? I haven't read much about this in the last five years.
Also, haplogroups are interesting but not very informative for a person (versus a population). It only represents one small chain of your total ancestry, the one that goes directly from father to father. Each generation you go back you have more and more ancestors. My friend who got tested recently said she had an mtDNA of D something, which apparently is found more in Asia and rare in Europe, but on that same service she had no actual Asian even show up in her ancestry. So it's a cool little curiosity but not much else.
Sorry for double post. I kept getting a database error so it seemed like it wasn't coming up.
Russian and I-M253, anybody else?
So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this
https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png
from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?
Your subclade is very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
http://peaceandjustice.freeforums.ne...haplogroup-r1aQuote:
R1a-Z280 is associated with the Baltic-speaking people and its descendant subclade CTS3402 is mainly found in the Dinaric Alps spanning from Albania to Serbia, especially among the Croats. R1a-CTS3402 has high frequencies in Croatia and Southern Poland and CTS3402 may be linked to the Slavic expansion to the Balkans
The CTS3402 tribe in the Balkans are more likely to have migrated from the Baltic region or Southern Poland to the Balkans.
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Потомок варяг ты с такой группой.Quote:
Originally Posted by Перун
Since it’s a clade of Z280 then it came with SlavsQuote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
I don't it's that simplistic in my case. If I was from the deep balkans, it would make more sense to say that z280 = slav. But I'm from northern Romania. This website links CTS3402 to the Roxolanii, a Sarmatian tribe who settled in Dacia in the 1st century AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17062017_7_4
Tolstoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Перун
Z280 itself is one of the main Slavic clades of R1a alongside M458 and most likely also has an expansion with them. Today CTS3402 is mainly found around Czechia, Poland, Russia etc according to YfullQuote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
These STR predictors can be wrong. I was predicted as U152 or L21.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
That was wrong, I'm under DF27 branch based on SNP Pack results.
Its not a STR based predictor though. It’s based on SNPs which makes it actually pretty accurate, so far I haven’t seen anyone get a wrong predictionQuote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Even if Z280 was one of the main clades associated with Slavic expansion, it diversified well before the Slavic ethnogenesis, so it would be wrong to say Z280 = Slav.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
CTS3402 is also the most common clade of R1a in many southern non-slavic countries i.e. Romania, Spain, Italy, Greece, Southern France
https://i.redd.it/u3g8pprkb8jz.jpg
Our results are same. Except final one, even other predicts are same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
What's your ethnic background if I may ask? Bulgarian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Moon
Потомок Рюрика :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Norka
Was he also i-m253?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Перун
Ching Chang Chong.
My Y-DNA (The info that I was able to recover from my AncestryDNA autosomal results so not really very detailed): R1a-Z282
Bump.
are there any D haplogroup ppl?
Idk, you are probably the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironic Hook
Btw, can you participate in these threads:
1. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...light=japan%2A
2. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...light=japan%2A
Is it extracted from an autosomal ancestry test? 23andMe (at least up to V4) didn't test for any SNPs under M417, only P278.2 under Z280 was available for extraction (and it's not under CTS3402).Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
CTS3402 is quite a general category. For example - I am in Slavic clade of Y2902 that is deeply downstream of CTS3402 and has nothing to do with Y2613 or YP237 which are ~4000 years away but still within CTS3402. YP237 is more strongly Baltic but there are some clades rarely found outside Eastern Slavs, for instance.
Assuming that you are CTS3402 and Romanian, you may be quite likely Y2902 or L1280 but there are other possibilities like YP951 etc.
I'll test my maternal uncle this spring , hopefully.
Hope to get E1b (I always liked that haplo) or R1a (that would be pretty cool), hopefully Not I2a, my dad's already that so I want some variety :thumb001:
What about I1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Stears already has it....I don't want....sorry :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
What if your uncle has some weird-ass haplogroup like Q or A or Z or something? Idk if those are even real haplogroups, though, cause I've never seen themQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
I'd like that. It's cool to be unusual. I hope he gets something exciting. But I doubt.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
Just remember what Grab the Gauge said about haplogroupsQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
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Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge
Somehow I like E1b. I find it cool it spread from Africa . I is kinda boring, it never left Europe.....it means I-men were quite sedentary and not adventourous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
Maybe that's why I spend all day sitting in a chair posting on Apricity instead of doing adventurous things...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Like literally, I go to my classes, get my homework done, and then spend the rest of the night on Apricity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
I-men are territorial, strong, slow and sure types. They might be bit boring, but they are my men :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
I was made by I-man, and I'll marry I-man :P
Good night !
Good night, my distant I-cousin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina