Eastern and Central Euro K15 PCA

@Nato, you don't need to place them on the map, I justed wanted to post this family - Armenian/Russian mix

1. Armenian man

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.42
2 East_Med 34.86
3 West_Med 11.37
4 Red_Sea 6.32
5 Atlantic 4.14
6 Baltic 2.45
7 South_Asian 1.75
8 Eastern_Euro 1.45
9 Amerindian 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.1
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.57
3 Assyrian 8.11
4 Turkish 10.76
5 Kurdish 11.07
6 Azeri 12.42
7 Kurdish_Jewish 12.62
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.77
9 Iranian 13.64
10 Lebanese_Muslim 14.03
11 Cyprian 16.11
12 Syrian 16.41
13 Lebanese_Christian 18.51
14 Lebanese_Druze 20.27
15 Samaritan 20.36
16 Georgian 21.25
17 Kumyk 21.31
18 Jordanian 21.89
19 Sephardic_Jewish 22.55
20 South_Italian 22.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57% Lebanese_Christian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.93
2 54.5% Samaritan + 45.5% Abhkasian @ 4.13
3 60.6% Cyprian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 4.16
4 53.6% Lebanese_Christian + 46.4% Georgian @ 4.29
5 85.8% Armenian + 14.2% Cyprian @ 4.42
6 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Sardinian @ 4.42
7 93.8% Georgian_Jewish + 6.2% Sardinian @ 4.52
8 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.62
9 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.64
10 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% Tunisian @ 4.66
11 92.1% Armenian + 7.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.66
12 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.66
13 51.1% Samaritan + 48.9% Georgian @ 4.66
14 95.2% Armenian + 4.8% Moroccan @ 4.68
15 90.9% Armenian + 9.1% Samaritan @ 4.7
16 92% Armenian + 8% South_Italian @ 4.73
17 87.7% Armenian + 12.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.75
18 93% Armenian + 7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.78
19 95.6% Armenian + 4.4% Algerian @ 4.79
20 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.8

2. Russian woman

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.87
2 Eastern_Euro 24.32
3 North_Sea 19.24
4 Atlantic 13.04
5 West_Med 5.03
6 West_Asian 4.46
7 Siberian 3.29
8 South_Asian 1.84
9 Amerindian 0.61
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kargopol_Russian 4.54
2 Southwest_Russian 4.98
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.61
4 Erzya 6.1
5 Estonian_Polish 6.67
6 Russian_Smolensk 7.05
7 Ukrainian 7.31
8 Belorussian 7.51
9 Polish 7.7
10 South_Polish 8.11
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.54
12 Estonian 8.94
13 Lithuanian 9.63
14 East_Finnish 9.66
15 Finnish 12.6
16 Croatian 12.78
17 Moldavian 13.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.52
19 Hungarian 15.46
20 East_German 17.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.7% Erzya + 42.3% South_Polish @ 2.01
2 55.1% Erzya + 44.9% Ukrainian @ 2.2
3 56.6% Erzya + 43.4% Polish @ 2.33
4 59.4% Erzya + 40.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.39
5 65.2% Kargopol_Russian + 34.8% Ukrainian @ 2.73
6 57.5% Kargopol_Russian + 42.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.74
7 69.2% Kargopol_Russian + 30.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.76
8 53.8% Kargopol_Russian + 46.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.93
9 54.6% Erzya + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3
10 68.9% Kargopol_Russian + 31.1% South_Polish @ 3.01
11 76.3% Erzya + 23.7% East_German @ 3.02
12 66% Kargopol_Russian + 34% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.18
13 57.6% Southwest_Russian + 42.4% Erzya @ 3.21
14 89.2% Southwest_Russian + 10.8% Mari @ 3.28
15 86.6% Southwest_Russian + 13.4% Chuvash @ 3.32
16 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Erzya @ 3.33
17 74.7% Kargopol_Russian + 25.3% Lithuanian @ 3.36
18 69.4% Kargopol_Russian + 30.6% Polish @ 3.36
19 68.8% Kargopol_Russian + 31.2% Belorussian @ 3.36
20 65.5% Kargopol_Russian + 34.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.37

3. Their son - 1/2 Armenian, 1/2 Russian

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 19.74
2 East_Med 16.76
3 Baltic 15.19
4 Eastern_Euro 12.84
5 Atlantic 12.8
6 West_Med 8.28
7 North_Sea 6.75
8 Red_Sea 3.56
9 South_Asian 2.08
10 Siberian 1.44
11 Amerindian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 10.97
2 Romanian 12.18
3 Greek 13.46
4 Greek_Thessaly 15.13
5 Serbian 15.62
6 Ashkenazi 16.36
7 Central_Greek 16.77
8 Italian_Abruzzo 17.13
9 Moldavian 17.22
10 East_Sicilian 18.04
11 Croatian 19.4
12 Turkish 19.72
13 West_Sicilian 19.86
14 South_Italian 20.09
15 Tuscan 20.13
16 Austrian 20.81
17 Hungarian 21.6
18 Turkmen 21.63
19 Azeri 22.17
20 Kumyk 22.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Turkish + 40.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3.94
2 57% Turkish + 43% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.96
3 56% Turkish + 44% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.16
4 57% Turkish + 43% Southwest_Russian @ 4.37
5 59.3% Turkish + 40.7% Belorussian @ 4.41
6 62% Turkish + 38% Lithuanian @ 4.91
7 58.4% Turkish + 41.6% Polish @ 4.99
8 52% Russian_Smolensk + 48% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.06
9 50.2% Armenian + 49.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.15
10 52.2% Russian_Smolensk + 47.8% Armenian @ 5.16
11 50.5% Georgian_Jewish + 49.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.23
12 57.1% Croatian + 42.9% Kurdish @ 5.25
13 56.1% Turkish + 43.9% South_Polish @ 5.3
14 50.4% Croatian + 49.6% Turkish @ 5.32
15 53.6% Croatian + 46.4% Azeri @ 5.48
16 54.1% Azeri + 45.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.68
17 56.8% Turkish + 43.2% Ukrainian @ 5.74
18 59.6% Croatian + 40.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.76
19 53.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.8
20 56.5% Azeri + 43.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.83

4. Son's wife, Russian (probably of Ukrainian origin)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.86
2 North_Sea 25.93
3 Eastern_Euro 20.47
4 Atlantic 10.45
5 West_Med 5.13
6 West_Asian 4.23
7 Siberian 1.81
8 Southeast_Asian 1.6
9 Amerindian 0.92
10 South_Asian 0.73
11 Oceanian 0.44
12 Red_Sea 0.19
13 Sub-Saharan 0.15
14 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.1
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.87
3 Estonian 7.14
4 South_Polish 7.98
5 Polish 8.46
6 Southwest_Russian 8.66
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.08
8 Belorussian 9.85
9 Finnish 10.03
10 Kargopol_Russian 10.07
11 Estonian_Polish 10.12
12 Russian_Smolensk 10.12
13 East_Finnish 10.21
14 Lithuanian 10.85
15 Erzya 11.58
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.7
17 Croatian 13.37
18 Hungarian 13.62
19 Moldavian 13.67
20 East_German 15.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% Ukrainian + 40.1% Estonian @ 5.1
2 52.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.8% Estonian @ 5.24
3 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% East_Finnish @ 5.34
4 75.4% Ukrainian + 24.6% Finnish @ 5.45
5 73.3% Estonian + 26.7% Moldavian @ 5.5
6 90.4% Estonian + 9.6% Tabassaran @ 5.52
7 67.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.2% East_Finnish @ 5.52
8 80.3% Ukrainian + 19.7% Erzya @ 5.57
9 90.8% Estonian + 9.2% Lezgin @ 5.58
10 91.3% Estonian + 8.7% Balkar @ 5.59
11 90.8% Estonian + 9.2% Kumyk @ 5.6
12 91.9% Estonian + 8.1% Ossetian @ 5.61
13 91.2% Estonian + 8.8% Chechen @ 5.65
14 93.1% Estonian + 6.9% Abhkasian @ 5.66
15 90.7% Estonian + 9.3% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.67
16 91.3% Estonian + 8.7% Kabardin @ 5.67
17 89.9% Estonian + 10.1% Nogay @ 5.68
18 92.8% Estonian + 7.2% Georgian @ 5.69
19 92.6% Ukrainian + 7.4% Chuvash @ 5.7
20 91.9% Estonian + 8.1% Adygei @ 5.72

5. Son's child #1 (daughter)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.37
2 Eastern_Euro 18.72
3 North_Sea 15.05
4 Atlantic 11.55
5 West_Asian 10.41
6 East_Med 8.47
7 West_Med 6.9
8 Siberian 2.5
9 Red_Sea 1.44
10 South_Asian 1.18
11 Amerindian 0.87
12 Sub-Saharan 0.52
13 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.55
2 Croatian 8.57
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.53
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.77
5 Ukrainian 11.1
6 South_Polish 11.16
7 Southwest_Russian 11.53
8 Hungarian 11.87
9 Serbian 11.88
10 Russian_Smolensk 12.34
11 Romanian 12.5
12 Kargopol_Russian 13.39
13 Austrian 13.43
14 Polish 13.44
15 Erzya 14.06
16 Bulgarian 14.13
17 Estonian_Polish 14.47
18 Belorussian 14.55
19 Tatar 16.11
20 East_Finnish 16.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Erzya + 49.9% Bulgarian @ 3.04
2 53.1% Romanian + 46.9% Erzya @ 3.24
3 75.3% Southwest_Russian + 24.7% Turkish @ 3.28
4 79.2% Southwest_Russian + 20.8% Armenian @ 3.61
5 76.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 23.2% Turkish @ 3.63
6 66.5% Erzya + 33.5% Central_Greek @ 3.63
7 79.3% Southwest_Russian + 20.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.85
8 61.1% Erzya + 38.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.86
9 66.3% Erzya + 33.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.87
10 69.4% Erzya + 30.6% South_Italian @ 3.92
11 79.4% Southwest_Russian + 20.6% Assyrian @ 3.93
12 76.6% Southwest_Russian + 23.4% Azeri @ 3.95
13 67.4% Erzya + 32.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.97
14 75% Estonian_Polish + 25% Armenian @ 3.98
15 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Greek @ 4.02
16 70.7% Estonian_Polish + 29.3% Turkish @ 4.06
17 80.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.3% Armenian @ 4.13
18 79.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.4% Cyprian @ 4.16
19 80.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.2% Assyrian @ 4.17
20 76.6% Kargopol_Russian + 23.4% Armenian @ 4.17

6. Son's child #2 (son)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.51
2 Eastern_Euro 18.59
3 North_Sea 13.29
4 West_Asian 12.21
5 Atlantic 11.06
6 West_Med 8.38
7 East_Med 6.05
8 Red_Sea 2.73
9 South_Asian 1.96
10 Siberian 1.39
11 Southeast_Asian 1.14
12 Amerindian 0.99
13 Northeast_African 0.55
14 Oceanian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.3
2 Croatian 9.55
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.94
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.1
5 Ukrainian 12.59
6 Serbian 12.6
7 South_Polish 12.63
8 Romanian 12.78
9 Southwest_Russian 13.12
10 Hungarian 13.26
11 Russian_Smolensk 13.69
12 Bulgarian 14.25
13 Austrian 14.48
14 Polish 14.9
15 Kargopol_Russian 14.95
16 Erzya 15.39
17 Estonian_Polish 15.75
18 Belorussian 16.1
19 Tatar 16.63
20 East_German 17.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 25.1% Turkish @ 5.04
2 73.2% Southwest_Russian + 26.8% Turkish @ 5.33
3 73.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.3% Turkmen @ 5.46
4 68.9% Estonian_Polish + 31.1% Turkish @ 5.49
5 52.2% Bulgarian + 47.8% Erzya @ 5.49
6 76.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 23.7% Azeri @ 5.58
7 79.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.8% Armenian @ 5.58
8 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Armenian @ 5.62
9 68.4% Estonian_Polish + 31.6% Kumyk @ 5.64
10 55.5% Romanian + 44.5% Erzya @ 5.69
11 72.9% Ukrainian + 27.1% Turkmen @ 5.71
12 77.6% Southwest_Russian + 22.4% Armenian @ 5.73
13 79.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.79
14 70.2% Estonian_Polish + 29.8% Azeri @ 5.8
15 74% Ukrainian + 26% Kumyk @ 5.81
16 67.4% Estonian_Polish + 32.6% Turkmen @ 5.82
17 74.6% Southwest_Russian + 25.4% Azeri @ 5.85
18 70.9% Russian_Smolensk + 29.1% Turkmen @ 5.87
19 72% Southwest_Russian + 28% Turkmen @ 5.88
20 75.9% Ukrainian + 24.1% Balkar @ 5.89

The kids are pretty much Russian to me, assimilated enough. I would consider them fully Russian. The Armenian man is R-M269, by the way.

^^^^very interesting bruv. Do you want me to plot them ? It's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Nato

^^^^very interesting bruv. Do you want me to plot them ? It's not a big deal.

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Wouldn't they overcrowd the plot? Especially the full Russians. You can add the half Armenian man and his kids, they would be far enough from the East Slavic cluster.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Wouldn't they overcrowd the plot? Especially the full Russians. You can add the half Armenian man and his kids, they would be far enough from the East Slavic cluster.

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I find it interesting how 3/4 Russian 1/4 Armenian kids are closest to Moldavians and Croatians.

https://i.imgur.com/lbIuTvF.png

53 - Rusian, Armenian (father)
54 - Russian, Armenian (daughter)
55 - Russian, Armenian (son)

Daughter and son plot pretty differently actually. I expected it when filling in their values, which aren't so identical. Do you know how they look like ?

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Daughter and son plot pretty differently actually. I expected it when filling in their values, which aren't so identical. Do you know how they look like ?

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No, I haven't seen them. You're right, they are far from identical. Maybe that's okay for siblings.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Where are these Russians from? Especially this one. 8% East Med on K15 is too much for an unmixed Russian. Maybe 1/4 Jewish?

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Some Ukrainians and to a lesser extent South Russians with Ukrainian ancestry have recent or ancient Vlach-like admixture and that is why they are shifted to the balkan/east Mediterranean. Much of (south)western Ukraine was probably Vlach-like prior to Slavs. Somehow Poland and Western Ukraine were very southern in Pre-Slavic times. What is weird because Corded Ware was originally from this region but it seems that they moved out of this places and the local Neolithic farmers stayed there mostly

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Originally Posted by Leto

@Nato, you don't need to place them on the map, I justed wanted to post this family - Armenian/Russian mix

1. Armenian man

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.42
2 East_Med 34.86
3 West_Med 11.37
4 Red_Sea 6.32
5 Atlantic 4.14
6 Baltic 2.45
7 South_Asian 1.75
8 Eastern_Euro 1.45
9 Amerindian 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.1
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.57
3 Assyrian 8.11
4 Turkish 10.76
5 Kurdish 11.07
6 Azeri 12.42
7 Kurdish_Jewish 12.62
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.77
9 Iranian 13.64
10 Lebanese_Muslim 14.03
11 Cyprian 16.11
12 Syrian 16.41
13 Lebanese_Christian 18.51
14 Lebanese_Druze 20.27
15 Samaritan 20.36
16 Georgian 21.25
17 Kumyk 21.31
18 Jordanian 21.89
19 Sephardic_Jewish 22.55
20 South_Italian 22.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57% Lebanese_Christian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.93
2 54.5% Samaritan + 45.5% Abhkasian @ 4.13
3 60.6% Cyprian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 4.16
4 53.6% Lebanese_Christian + 46.4% Georgian @ 4.29
5 85.8% Armenian + 14.2% Cyprian @ 4.42
6 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Sardinian @ 4.42
7 93.8% Georgian_Jewish + 6.2% Sardinian @ 4.52
8 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.62
9 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.64
10 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% Tunisian @ 4.66
11 92.1% Armenian + 7.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.66
12 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.66
13 51.1% Samaritan + 48.9% Georgian @ 4.66
14 95.2% Armenian + 4.8% Moroccan @ 4.68
15 90.9% Armenian + 9.1% Samaritan @ 4.7
16 92% Armenian + 8% South_Italian @ 4.73
17 87.7% Armenian + 12.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.75
18 93% Armenian + 7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.78
19 95.6% Armenian + 4.4% Algerian @ 4.79
20 91.2% Armenian + 8.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.8

2. Russian woman

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.87
2 Eastern_Euro 24.32
3 North_Sea 19.24
4 Atlantic 13.04
5 West_Med 5.03
6 West_Asian 4.46
7 Siberian 3.29
8 South_Asian 1.84
9 Amerindian 0.61
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kargopol_Russian 4.54
2 Southwest_Russian 4.98
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.61
4 Erzya 6.1
5 Estonian_Polish 6.67
6 Russian_Smolensk 7.05
7 Ukrainian 7.31
8 Belorussian 7.51
9 Polish 7.7
10 South_Polish 8.11
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.54
12 Estonian 8.94
13 Lithuanian 9.63
14 East_Finnish 9.66
15 Finnish 12.6
16 Croatian 12.78
17 Moldavian 13.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.52
19 Hungarian 15.46
20 East_German 17.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.7% Erzya + 42.3% South_Polish @ 2.01
2 55.1% Erzya + 44.9% Ukrainian @ 2.2
3 56.6% Erzya + 43.4% Polish @ 2.33
4 59.4% Erzya + 40.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.39
5 65.2% Kargopol_Russian + 34.8% Ukrainian @ 2.73
6 57.5% Kargopol_Russian + 42.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.74
7 69.2% Kargopol_Russian + 30.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.76
8 53.8% Kargopol_Russian + 46.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.93
9 54.6% Erzya + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3
10 68.9% Kargopol_Russian + 31.1% South_Polish @ 3.01
11 76.3% Erzya + 23.7% East_German @ 3.02
12 66% Kargopol_Russian + 34% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.18
13 57.6% Southwest_Russian + 42.4% Erzya @ 3.21
14 89.2% Southwest_Russian + 10.8% Mari @ 3.28
15 86.6% Southwest_Russian + 13.4% Chuvash @ 3.32
16 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Erzya @ 3.33
17 74.7% Kargopol_Russian + 25.3% Lithuanian @ 3.36
18 69.4% Kargopol_Russian + 30.6% Polish @ 3.36
19 68.8% Kargopol_Russian + 31.2% Belorussian @ 3.36
20 65.5% Kargopol_Russian + 34.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.37

3. Their son - 1/2 Armenian, 1/2 Russian

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 19.74
2 East_Med 16.76
3 Baltic 15.19
4 Eastern_Euro 12.84
5 Atlantic 12.8
6 West_Med 8.28
7 North_Sea 6.75
8 Red_Sea 3.56
9 South_Asian 2.08
10 Siberian 1.44
11 Amerindian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 10.97
2 Romanian 12.18
3 Greek 13.46
4 Greek_Thessaly 15.13
5 Serbian 15.62
6 Ashkenazi 16.36
7 Central_Greek 16.77
8 Italian_Abruzzo 17.13
9 Moldavian 17.22
10 East_Sicilian 18.04
11 Croatian 19.4
12 Turkish 19.72
13 West_Sicilian 19.86
14 South_Italian 20.09
15 Tuscan 20.13
16 Austrian 20.81
17 Hungarian 21.6
18 Turkmen 21.63
19 Azeri 22.17
20 Kumyk 22.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Turkish + 40.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3.94
2 57% Turkish + 43% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.96
3 56% Turkish + 44% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.16
4 57% Turkish + 43% Southwest_Russian @ 4.37
5 59.3% Turkish + 40.7% Belorussian @ 4.41
6 62% Turkish + 38% Lithuanian @ 4.91
7 58.4% Turkish + 41.6% Polish @ 4.99
8 52% Russian_Smolensk + 48% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.06
9 50.2% Armenian + 49.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.15
10 52.2% Russian_Smolensk + 47.8% Armenian @ 5.16
11 50.5% Georgian_Jewish + 49.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.23
12 57.1% Croatian + 42.9% Kurdish @ 5.25
13 56.1% Turkish + 43.9% South_Polish @ 5.3
14 50.4% Croatian + 49.6% Turkish @ 5.32
15 53.6% Croatian + 46.4% Azeri @ 5.48
16 54.1% Azeri + 45.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.68
17 56.8% Turkish + 43.2% Ukrainian @ 5.74
18 59.6% Croatian + 40.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.76
19 53.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.8
20 56.5% Azeri + 43.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.83

4. Son's wife, Russian (probably of Ukrainian origin)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.86
2 North_Sea 25.93
3 Eastern_Euro 20.47
4 Atlantic 10.45
5 West_Med 5.13
6 West_Asian 4.23
7 Siberian 1.81
8 Southeast_Asian 1.6
9 Amerindian 0.92
10 South_Asian 0.73
11 Oceanian 0.44
12 Red_Sea 0.19
13 Sub-Saharan 0.15
14 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.1
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.87
3 Estonian 7.14
4 South_Polish 7.98
5 Polish 8.46
6 Southwest_Russian 8.66
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.08
8 Belorussian 9.85
9 Finnish 10.03
10 Kargopol_Russian 10.07
11 Estonian_Polish 10.12
12 Russian_Smolensk 10.12
13 East_Finnish 10.21
14 Lithuanian 10.85
15 Erzya 11.58
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.7
17 Croatian 13.37
18 Hungarian 13.62
19 Moldavian 13.67
20 East_German 15.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% Ukrainian + 40.1% Estonian @ 5.1
2 52.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.8% Estonian @ 5.24
3 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% East_Finnish @ 5.34
4 75.4% Ukrainian + 24.6% Finnish @ 5.45
5 73.3% Estonian + 26.7% Moldavian @ 5.5
6 90.4% Estonian + 9.6% Tabassaran @ 5.52
7 67.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.2% East_Finnish @ 5.52
8 80.3% Ukrainian + 19.7% Erzya @ 5.57
9 90.8% Estonian + 9.2% Lezgin @ 5.58
10 91.3% Estonian + 8.7% Balkar @ 5.59
11 90.8% Estonian + 9.2% Kumyk @ 5.6
12 91.9% Estonian + 8.1% Ossetian @ 5.61
13 91.2% Estonian + 8.8% Chechen @ 5.65
14 93.1% Estonian + 6.9% Abhkasian @ 5.66
15 90.7% Estonian + 9.3% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.67
16 91.3% Estonian + 8.7% Kabardin @ 5.67
17 89.9% Estonian + 10.1% Nogay @ 5.68
18 92.8% Estonian + 7.2% Georgian @ 5.69
19 92.6% Ukrainian + 7.4% Chuvash @ 5.7
20 91.9% Estonian + 8.1% Adygei @ 5.72

5. Son's child #1 (daughter)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.37
2 Eastern_Euro 18.72
3 North_Sea 15.05
4 Atlantic 11.55
5 West_Asian 10.41
6 East_Med 8.47
7 West_Med 6.9
8 Siberian 2.5
9 Red_Sea 1.44
10 South_Asian 1.18
11 Amerindian 0.87
12 Sub-Saharan 0.52
13 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.55
2 Croatian 8.57
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.53
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.77
5 Ukrainian 11.1
6 South_Polish 11.16
7 Southwest_Russian 11.53
8 Hungarian 11.87
9 Serbian 11.88
10 Russian_Smolensk 12.34
11 Romanian 12.5
12 Kargopol_Russian 13.39
13 Austrian 13.43
14 Polish 13.44
15 Erzya 14.06
16 Bulgarian 14.13
17 Estonian_Polish 14.47
18 Belorussian 14.55
19 Tatar 16.11
20 East_Finnish 16.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Erzya + 49.9% Bulgarian @ 3.04
2 53.1% Romanian + 46.9% Erzya @ 3.24
3 75.3% Southwest_Russian + 24.7% Turkish @ 3.28
4 79.2% Southwest_Russian + 20.8% Armenian @ 3.61
5 76.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 23.2% Turkish @ 3.63
6 66.5% Erzya + 33.5% Central_Greek @ 3.63
7 79.3% Southwest_Russian + 20.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.85
8 61.1% Erzya + 38.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.86
9 66.3% Erzya + 33.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.87
10 69.4% Erzya + 30.6% South_Italian @ 3.92
11 79.4% Southwest_Russian + 20.6% Assyrian @ 3.93
12 76.6% Southwest_Russian + 23.4% Azeri @ 3.95
13 67.4% Erzya + 32.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.97
14 75% Estonian_Polish + 25% Armenian @ 3.98
15 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Greek @ 4.02
16 70.7% Estonian_Polish + 29.3% Turkish @ 4.06
17 80.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.3% Armenian @ 4.13
18 79.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.4% Cyprian @ 4.16
19 80.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.2% Assyrian @ 4.17
20 76.6% Kargopol_Russian + 23.4% Armenian @ 4.17

6. Son's child #2 (son)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.51
2 Eastern_Euro 18.59
3 North_Sea 13.29
4 West_Asian 12.21
5 Atlantic 11.06
6 West_Med 8.38
7 East_Med 6.05
8 Red_Sea 2.73
9 South_Asian 1.96
10 Siberian 1.39
11 Southeast_Asian 1.14
12 Amerindian 0.99
13 Northeast_African 0.55
14 Oceanian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.3
2 Croatian 9.55
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.94
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.1
5 Ukrainian 12.59
6 Serbian 12.6
7 South_Polish 12.63
8 Romanian 12.78
9 Southwest_Russian 13.12
10 Hungarian 13.26
11 Russian_Smolensk 13.69
12 Bulgarian 14.25
13 Austrian 14.48
14 Polish 14.9
15 Kargopol_Russian 14.95
16 Erzya 15.39
17 Estonian_Polish 15.75
18 Belorussian 16.1
19 Tatar 16.63
20 East_German 17.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 25.1% Turkish @ 5.04
2 73.2% Southwest_Russian + 26.8% Turkish @ 5.33
3 73.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.3% Turkmen @ 5.46
4 68.9% Estonian_Polish + 31.1% Turkish @ 5.49
5 52.2% Bulgarian + 47.8% Erzya @ 5.49
6 76.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 23.7% Azeri @ 5.58
7 79.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.8% Armenian @ 5.58
8 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Armenian @ 5.62
9 68.4% Estonian_Polish + 31.6% Kumyk @ 5.64
10 55.5% Romanian + 44.5% Erzya @ 5.69
11 72.9% Ukrainian + 27.1% Turkmen @ 5.71
12 77.6% Southwest_Russian + 22.4% Armenian @ 5.73
13 79.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 20.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.79
14 70.2% Estonian_Polish + 29.8% Azeri @ 5.8
15 74% Ukrainian + 26% Kumyk @ 5.81
16 67.4% Estonian_Polish + 32.6% Turkmen @ 5.82
17 74.6% Southwest_Russian + 25.4% Azeri @ 5.85
18 70.9% Russian_Smolensk + 29.1% Turkmen @ 5.87
19 72% Southwest_Russian + 28% Turkmen @ 5.88
20 75.9% Ukrainian + 24.1% Balkar @ 5.89

The kids are pretty much Russian to me, assimilated enough. I would consider them fully Russian. The Armenian man is R-M269, by the way.

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I probably already asked you this question somewhere but i don't find the answer anymore. Do you have kits from Central Russia especially from places like Ivanovo, Wladimir and Tver? I want to test my wife who is mainly from Central Russia (Wladimir, Ivanovo,..) but i decided to test her brother to get also the y-dna of her father (paternal line is originally from Kursk) so i will do this when i am again in Russia.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Pribislav wrote me yesterday there was tested Croat who came out R1a-Z93, and his ancestors were Islamized before converting back to Catholicism.
Another R1a Z93 person among tousands of tested Serbo-Croatian speakers is Bosniak.

Maybe they have Turkish admixture, or proto-Croat from Persia :cool:

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He definitely needs to test his subclade but i expect him to be under Z2124. A Ottoman orgin is possible but there are many other possibilities . It could be from Alans or Avars. R1a-Z93 is found in small frequencies (less than 1%) almost everywhere in Europe. Even in places like Britain or Spain. Also R1a-Z93 was found in Late Bronze Age Bulgaria and was maybe also brought to some extent by Proto-Greeks/Proto-Balkan-IEs

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Originally Posted by Arhat

I probably already asked you this question somewhere but i don't find the answer anymore. Do you have kits from Central Russia especially from places like Ivanovo, Wladimir and Tver? I want to test my wife who is mainly from Central Russia (Wladimir, Ivanovo,..) but i decided to test her brother to get also the y-dna of her father (paternal line is originally from Kursk) so i will do this when i am again in Russia.

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Yes, you asked me last year. I sent you a couple back then.