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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Hey bud, what happens if you run the test with just Hungarian and South Dutch in your populations? 0x, .25x?

Maybe try the combo of Hungarian, Serbian, and South Dutch too.

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Target: MH
Distance: 7.3978% / 7.39777153
Hungarian 85.2
South_Dutch 14.8

Target: MH
Distance: 7.4028% / 7.40281790 | ADC: 0.25x
Hungarian 87.0
South_Dutch 13.0

and this is when i add serbian.

Target: MH
Distance: 2.1601% / 2.16009246
Serbian 75.0
South_Dutch 23.8
Hungarian 1.2

Target: MH
Distance: 2.1732% / 2.17319252 | ADC: 0.25x
Serbian 75.8
South_Dutch 22.4
Hungarian 1.8

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

Target: MH
Distance: 7.3978% / 7.39777153
Hungarian 85.2
South_Dutch 14.8

Target: MH
Distance: 7.4028% / 7.40281790 | ADC: 0.25x
Hungarian 87.0
South_Dutch 13.0

and this is when i add serbian.

Target: MH
Distance: 2.1601% / 2.16009246
Serbian 75.0
South_Dutch 23.8
Hungarian 1.2

Target: MH
Distance: 2.1732% / 2.17319252 | ADC: 0.25x
Serbian 75.8
South_Dutch 22.4
Hungarian 1.8

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Bam, and there's your 1/4 Dutch. It was hidden because it appears that your Hungarian side is quite Balkan shifted. Cool results man!

Great you put Serbian_Bosnia and Bosnian references in your calculator. :thumb001:

Just I think that Serbian proper reference should be updated.
Because it is not accurate to I get Slovenian before Serbian proper. It's weird.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Great you put Serbian_Bosnia and Bosnian references in your calculator. :thumb001:

Just I think that Serbian proper reference should be updated.
Because it is not accurate to I get Slovenian before Serbian proper. It's weird.

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There is such Serbian K15 average somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

There is such Serbian K15 average somewhere?

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Unfortunately, I don't have results for K15, but I do for K13 results from that forum.

https://i.imgur.com/UX16msL.jpg

Result for my K13 Eurogenes

https://i.imgur.com/LgRSHW3.png

https://i.imgur.com/eYjhCQP.png

Lukasz I think Albanian distance should be more far away ;) , also "single" result is weird.
I understand that my more-of-average North Atlantic component is presented with Southeast_English here but still may be too much. But I don't understand what I have with Lebanon? :confused:
North_Macedonian is not really clear component (too much mixed).

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Result for my K13 Eurogenes

https://i.imgur.com/LgRSHW3.png

https://i.imgur.com/eYjhCQP.png

Lukasz I think Albanian distance should be more far away ;) , also "single" result is weird.
I understand that my more-of-average North Atlantic component is presented with Southeast_English here but still may be too much. But I don't understand what I have with Lebanon? :confused:
North_Macedonian is not really clear component too (too much mixed).

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Tomorrow I will update K13 for Balkanites with the same refs as for K15. What is your K15 result now?

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I think it works in your case, too. The problem is the Greek samples. I don't believe they represent proper Greek genetic as i always said. You may think i stuck with it lol. Anyway, let's investigate it.

Target: Thracian
Distance: 7.2152% / 7.21524088 | ADC: 1x
66.6 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
17.6 Romanian
14.6 Greek_Peloponnese
1.2 Tadjik

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 3.6034% / 3.60338105 | ADC: 0.5x
37.2 Romanian
31.8 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
21.2 Greek_Andros_Island
7.8 Tadjik
2.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

These models are spot on. Romanian + Andros will make Macedonia Thrace and the rest is from the Turk part.

The thing which i didn't understand is your Greek admixture in these models and in most of the calculators, how is that possible to score such high while you don't have an ancestor from Greece? Or any town which is not highly populated by Greeks? You were thinking it is about your side which is from Kardzhali. Because they were identifying as "Dağlı"(Mountaineer) as an addition to their Turk identity and this was making them different than the others, i also remember we talked potential Sarakatsani-Dağlı connection in the past.

But after some time thinking about this, i can say that there are one more possible way to explain it. Because Dağlı results don't fit our imagination. See:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.37
2 West_Asian 17.42
3 East_Med 17.18
4 North_Atlantic 15.65
5 West_Med 15.33
6 Siberian 7.75
7 Red_Sea 3.97
8 East_Asian 3.47
9 Oceanian 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 12.54
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
3 Romanian 13.51
4 Central_Greek 16.27
5 Serbian 16.55
6 Italian_Abruzzo 16.7
7 East_Sicilian 17.5
8 West_Sicilian 18.93
9 Moldavian 19.39
10 Tuscan 19.48
11 Ashkenazi 19.54
12 South_Italian 20.08
13 Nogay 20.12
14 North_Italian 21.76
15 Turkish 22.07
16 Tatar 22.94
17 Croatian 23.09
18 Hungarian 23.1
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.77
20 Kumyk 24.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Bulgarian + 37.4% Nogay @ 4.5
2 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Nogay @ 4.94
3 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.03
4 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Tatar @ 5.16
5 53.5% South_Italian + 46.5% Tatar @ 5.17
6 61% Romanian + 39% Nogay @ 5.38
7 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.45
8 57.3% East_Sicilian + 42.7% Tatar @ 5.58
9 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% Uzbeki @ 5.82
10 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Hazara @ 5.85
11 67.7% Central_Greek + 32.3% Chuvash @ 5.91
12 55.4% Tatar + 44.6% Cyprian @ 6
13 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Aghan_Hazara @ 6.02
14 62.4% South_Italian + 37.6% Chuvash @ 6.03
15 52.1% Tatar + 47.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.37
16 70.4% Central_Greek + 29.6% Mari @ 6.39
17 68.5% Romanian + 31.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.41
18 58.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 41.2% Tatar @ 6.41
19 71.1% Greek_Thessaly + 28.9% Uzbeki @ 6.44
20 67.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.7% Chuvash @ 6.46


This person identifies as Dağlı. If i remember well, their migration date to Turkey is similar to your family and again, if i remember well, you two live in the same city in Turkey. And you two also matched. Despite we thought they had Greek admixture instead of Bulgarian and probably has little Turkic admixture, he has one of the most legit Bulgarian-Oghuz results i have ever seen.

On the other hand, you also have Gevgelija ancestry from Northern Macedonia. I searched languages spoken in this town during the Ottoman Empire and saw that there were primary schools in which their teachers are not assigned by the Ottoman government. But Greek schools already connected to the government, then?

Map is from 1886

https://i.ibb.co/LxJZMzq/vl.jpg


Then i checked the situation in today

https://i.ibb.co/HYQkLM5/vl2.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...len-map-en.png

You may also interested in with it:



You may think 5000 is small. But Macedonia has around 1000, Greece has around 4000 and Romania has around 1000. So this means half of their population converted. The ones who migrated to Turkey known as "Karacaovalılar"




Even if your ancestor is not convert but ethnic Turk, this map is from the 18th century and shows that the native population of the region were Vlachs, they didn't migrate from anywhere to there. So their admixture will be Vlach.

https://i.ibb.co/2YgmGp0/vl3.jpg


Your Kardzhali & Gevgelija side seems legit now and we can see the potential reason for your low East Eurasian and high Greco-Roman(NA) influence here.

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Wow. Thanks for the great effort.

I agree with you about Greek samples.

Yeah, but both sides are shifted. My Turkic side shifts to Iranics probably my higher South Asian and lower Mongoloid.

Indeed. In the beginning, I was thinking it can be related with my Gevgelija part. Later, I learned about Sarakatsani people and they also call themselves as Mountaineers. Yet, I am half Dağlı. Is this guy also from Kardzhali? Because, there are some differences between Mountaineers from Kardhzali and rest of Bulgaria. As you said, he is simply just Bulgarian+Turkmen.

I did not know that. It seems, probably I have some Vlach like ancestry but do you think just 1/4 can cause this higher NA? Also, I do not have any ancestors from Romania but they are in 3rd on 23andMe. Also, I had 1 dot for Romanian in the first time when they added countries. It is gone now.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Tomorrow I will update K13 for Balkanites with the same refs as for K15. What is your K15 result now?

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K15 Eurogenes

6.41254240 Serbian
6.56157309 Serbian_2
6.84413618 Romanian
7.37040406 Bosnian
7.58259890 Montenegrin
7.77705399 Serbian_Bosnia
8.45558637 Macedonian
8.68724352 Austrian
9.00995390 Slovenian
9.37236363 Hungarian
9.90493816 Bulgarian
10.26807187 Croatian
10.34157145 Moldavian
13.50314130 Slovak
13.73653159 East_German
14.17367709 Kosovar
16.88551450 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.91989066 South_Polish
17.86831584 GR_Macedonia
18.08400398 South_Dutch
18.27909188 Ukrainian
18.29850814 Greek_Thessaly
18.38319069 French
18.77455459 West_German
18.92876119 North_Italian

single

33.0 Kosovar
29.0 Lithuanian
23.2 Irish
9.4 Turkish_Trabzon
3.2 Cypriot
2.2 French_Basque


Change this Kosovar asap! ;) On a serious note, this single result doesn't have Slavic component at all.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

K15 Eurogenes

6.41254240 Serbian
6.56157309 Serbian_2
6.84413618 Romanian
7.37040406 Bosnian
7.58259890 Montenegrin
7.77705399 Serbian_Bosnia
8.45558637 Macedonian
8.68724352 Austrian
9.00995390 Slovenian
9.37236363 Hungarian
9.90493816 Bulgarian
10.26807187 Croatian
10.34157145 Moldavian
13.50314130 Slovak
13.73653159 East_German
14.17367709 Kosovar
16.88551450 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.91989066 South_Polish
17.86831584 GR_Macedonia
18.08400398 South_Dutch
18.27909188 Ukrainian
18.29850814 Greek_Thessaly
18.38319069 French
18.77455459 West_German
18.92876119 North_Italian

single

33.0 Kosovar
29.0 Lithuanian
23.2 Irish
9.4 Turkish_Trabzon
3.2 Cypriot
2.2 French_Basque


Change this Kosovar asap! ;) On a serious note, this single result doesn't have Slavic component at all.

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Lithuanian is full of Baltic component. Similar to East Slavs.