It's working for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Location of Serbs on map:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/260/serbs.png
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It's working for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Location of Serbs on map:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/260/serbs.png
It's because the main 3 North European components are usually within 0.025 Fst of each other, and the North Euro and North Atlantic usually within 0.02 Fst. So only a handful of alleles are used to differentiate them. That's really finescale stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Better sampling might fix the problem, and probably so would extra markers. But 200,000 unlinked SNPs is all I can get from the 23andME data, and that's pretty much what my laptop can handle anyway.
A STRUCTURE-like algorithm would also probably help eliminate the extremes, but it would take days to complete each run. ADMIXTURE is much faster, but more choppy.
In the end, it's best to remember that we're looking at ancestral probabilities here, and not straight up genetic structure. So these results will place us into our ethnic groups of origin, and we're likely to get some very strong hints about the type and maybe even amount of admixture from other parts of Europe. But many people won't get a set of scores that truly reflect their genetic structure across the 22 autosomes. For that we'd need something like the Ancestry Painting, with extremely well chosen and comprehensive reference samples.
That's because it is so huge. My computer has problems with it too, better bring it into bitmap and edit it there, probably reducing size too, because otherwise there is not too much of an overview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The positioning makes sense it seems.
I just wonder if no other component popped up for Europe, since this one seems to be not informative enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polako
I mean, if we would have siblings in this run, I wouldn't wonder if they would come up with totally different results for their Northern components in particular, probably changed "all or nothing" results to say it that way.
Of course, I realise the technical limitations.Quote:
Better sampling might fix the problem, and probably so would extra markers. But 200,000 unlinked SNPs is all I can get from the 23andME data, and that's pretty much what my laptop can handle anyway.
The future... :)Quote:
A STRUCTURE-like algorithm would also probably help eliminate the extremes, but it would take days to complete each run. ADMIXTURE is much faster, but more choppy.
In the end, it's best to remember that we're looking at ancestral probabilities here, and not straight up genetic structure. So these results will place us into our ethnic groups of origin, and we're likely to get some very strong hints about the type and maybe even amount of admixture from other parts of Europe. But many people won't get a set of scores that truly reflect their genetic structure across the 22 autosomes. For that we'd need something like the Ancestry Painting, with extremely well chosen and comprehensive reference samples.
I just wanted to point out the relative character of the differentation, because some people just over-interpret it, when in reality the distribution is often too much of a random thing if looking at the samples as a whole - which is easier with graphics.
The final positioning is still good enough for most, so it is informative overall.
Thanks for your answer and efforts, very much appreciated, you're doing a great job!
Every small failure might lead to a future improvement - that's my credo for such things :thumb001:
I quickly made some crude outlines around regions/countries and tried to mark people in wich those components peak.
Picture is also smaller
Somehow, I wasnt able to find the FIN on the map... ;)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311332154
I haven't found it yet. Polako is an RF match of mine and he has high Baltic and I do have a 17cM 3 GP southern Poland 1 GP Lithuanian match but don't have a paper trail yet so don't know what to put down. So it is real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
All the others in my profile I can document.
Edit: I am dumb sometimes, some of my German came over in the 19th century was from the area that was known as Prussia.
Funny. I have him too.Quote:
Polako is an RF match of mine
I share 5.1cM with him.
If I remember it right, Polako has, besides his Polish anchestry, "Baltic States" and "Austrian/Hungaran Empire" lineages that he knows of.
I've tried pissing about with your spreadsheet, and can't get that chart thingy, can you do one for me please AU5.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan
Here I am in Pie format, everyone likes pie.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u.../ADMIXTURE.png
Estonians clustering with Slavic Poles, oh the horror!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick
Those (member) Estonians are strange anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
They totaly stuck out with strange results in the several past runs.
I recall a run, in wich these 2 Estonians made Estonia extremely "North Atlantic" (not this time. Seems this time the same signal was interpreted as "Northern European") And this "Northernm European" pulls them to the left, into Poland.
Also, in this run, they have huge Balto-Slavic components and tiny East-Euro Finnic one.
From people who speak a Uralic language, I would expect far higher Finnic results.
Ok... its strange that TWO Estonians, BOTH show strange results, but lets wait for more Estonians. ;)
Maybe they're not that Finnic after all? I know for a fact that Karl carries R1a haplogroup... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Frederick
They saw the Nordic finns, and tried Imitating them ever since, even to the language!Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
http://satwcomic.com/art/party-crasher.jpg
I find it interesting on that cluster map that other French-Canadians are more north than me. I thought it'd be the other way around.
Yeah. Wich isnt unusual for Estonians, but Fin. In fact Fin are a R1a "hole".Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
With NOrwegians and Swedes carrying like 20-30%, Baltic countries with like 30-40% and Russians at 50%. But Fins at 8%
And Estonias R1a frequencies aswell as N1 frequencies are rather Baltic, not Finnic. But it has almost 3times as much I1 than other Baltic countries. Almost.... North-German levels of it.
*checks*
Estonias connection to Finland are... their females.
They have much higher levels of U5 (The haplogroup that dominated even Germany, 7000 years ago (80%+ of pre-farming central European corpses carry that) and today that one peaks in Fins.
So,who was stealing some Euro versions of Pocahontas hunter-gatherer princesses? :D
@Sahson: Thats mean! ;)
I am right on top of US114 and US98 (as well as a "Kent") on that huge map. Anyone know who they are?
Hm, I never noticed it until now but... what does UK actually means? English or?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
No. Its project members from all over United Kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
England, Scottland, maybe Wales (if there are some). But its not limited to English.
EDIT:
If one for example compares the "British_D" members of dodecad (wich are possibly the same people like the ones from Eurogenes) with the Cornwall, Kent etc in the "Oracle tool".... you get this:
Cornwall = 90% "British_D" + 10% "Irish_D" (hmm, sounds ok)
Kent = 50% "British_D" + 50% "Dutch_D" (hmm ok...)
SW-Scotts = 65% "British_D" + 35% Hungarians... (fail? LOL)
he he
I'm not sure, but UK probably means Sweaty Scot, Welsh, and English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
Don't you mean 'sweaty sock' as in jock!:thumbs upQuote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
I don't know... I'm not good with inter-British insults, and I actually prefer the scots at times, meet some really good scots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorcha
Here is your chart, Sahson:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...5Eu7cChart.jpg
You look to be quiet Nordic on this run. Your chart is similar to mine too, except the Swedes are closer than the Norwegians in my chart.
AlabamaMan, would you mind doing a chart for me too? I´m FI6. Thanks a lot!
Sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Draper
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...6EU7cChart.jpg
Finland is your closest...who would have ever thought that?
Who is UK20 and UK9? Seems I'm in competition with them to be the most Atlantic:D. I think I'm edging it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
Thanks AM, but I'm a wee bit confused with some of these. For example, it places me closer to Austria (?), Spain, Portugal, US, France and the Netherlands before it does UK or Norway? My western European element was quite high before (about 30%), I'm wondering if these results are a reflection of this? Also, the Austrian thing makes me think it's a Celtic connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan
Ireland
SW Scotland
Cornwall
Austria
Kent
US
Spain
Portugal
France
Switzerland
Netherlands
UK/Norway
Also, a striking result that I'm closer to Irish than SW Scots, the area I live in right now.
Dude, this is great :D us245 :) thanks for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
The Norwegians have a very high Northern European average and relatively low North Atlantic average compared to you; easy answer there. The answer to your weird UK score is easy too. I screwed up. When typing in the average Uk Southern European score of 4.49, I typed "44.49". That is why your Uk distance is messed up. This means everyone else's Uk score are incorrect too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorcha
Just tally up another FAIL for the AlabamaMan. :( Here is a link to a spreadsheet with an accurate UK comparison, and here is your new chart with an accurate Uk distance, Sorcha:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...U7cChart-1.jpg
Alabamaman, I don't get the chart that much, what could you tell me what the abbreviations on the bottom stand for so I can read more into it? :D thanks :D
GR = GreeceQuote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
S. IT = Southern Italy
N. IT = Northern Italy
RO = Romania
MD = ?
PT = Portuguese
ES = Spain
FR = France
IE = Ireland
UK = United Kingdom
NL = Netherlands
DE = Germany
AT = Austria
CH = Switzerland
DK = Denmark
NO = Norway
SE = Sweden
FI = Finland
EE = Estonia
PL = Poland
RS = Serbia
HU = Hungary
LT = Lithuania
BY = Belarus
RU = Russia
N. RU = Northern Russia
Redid mine with the new spreadsheet for EU7c, turn out looks much better this time round. :P
1. Cornwall: 4.52126
2. Kent: 5.16764
3. United Kingdom: 5.6765
4. Austria: 5.96096
5. United States: 6.2559
6. SW Scotland: 6.296057
7. Ireland: 8.56124
8. Germany: 9.517
9. Netherlands: 9.51702
10. Norway: 11.5564
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k...S83RMSEu7c.jpg
:D well yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan
Here are my top 5 matches.
1. Finland
2. Germany & Netherlands
3. Austria
4. US & Norway
5. Kent
AlabamaMan! US2! Chart me, thank you!
What do you mean you weren't able to find them? Finns are in the intersection of Russia and Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperivm
Some like Don Draper are in between Swedes, Germans, and Hungarians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aino
Well, Don Draper is special. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
Well this is your true Competition, The Cornish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorcha
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...K39cornish.png
But this latest run seems a lot better than the previous one, no? Or have you seen major discrepancies? From what I can see the results look about as expected, considering European history and ethnogenesis - even the NA and NE split.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Here you are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Electronic God-Man
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...2EU7cChart.jpg
You're Austrian this time.
you made some more changes to the spreadsheet?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan