E-V13.
local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?
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It must be a typo or a leftover from before he found out his specific haplogroup:
https://i.ibb.co/pWwMV4J/image.png
Btw, on forum.krstarica his username is 'Clint'. He used to comment on genetics-related topics, mentioning his own Y-DNA as well.
I'm aware of it. I don't know what is the source of this claim and couldn't find enough amount of samples to investigate it. Even if it is true;
1- Weren't the actual descendants of Pecheneks/Cumans converted to Turkish when Ottomans came?
2- By thinking they stayed in the region until now, would their "alien" admixture be visible?
I have several researches on SE Serbia on Turkish(Ottoman) sources. Registers show that there is a legit Turkic settlement in the region. For example, in 1500, 75% of Nis is Muslim, around 50% is ethnic Turk and the rest is local converts. For Turkic's, there is three community:
1- Today's Balkan Turks who are actually from Southern Balkans, later migrated to North as they are given lands from there.
2- Colonizator Ottoman Turk population and dervishes, who migrated from Anatolia to Turkify region.
3- Tatars expelled from Anatolia(Tokat) to the region.
Here, the first two are almost certain that went back as Ottomans lost their lands. What if Tatars were remained and mixed there?
https://i.ibb.co/9Gz0tjH/ka.png
yeah, i think Pechenegs and Cumans left 0-3% Autosomal influence and maybe some weird Q or N subclade here and there.
as for the Tatars, such a population would hardly be accepted by rural Slavic populations. is there any indication that this Q subclade is specifically Tatar ,and not from some other Asian people?
0-3% Eastern influence on autosomal would be equal to a total 10% influence by considering Cuman/Pecheneks was carrying around 30% East Eurasian. I also think we can catch it with current data if we run an updated K13 spreadsheet in nMonte as K=100. I checked his other gedmatch results today and was able to catch 91% Romanian + 9% Chuvash - 93% Romanian + 7% Altaian in one calculator.
Confirmed Cuman clade is Q-L713(also found in Serbia, yet in Vojvodina.) Destiny of L330 is not much known. It appears to be concentrated on Altai among Turkic/Yeniseian/Mongol(some specific tribes) and their descendants migrated to further west.(L332 in Hungary, L330 in Siberian Tatars, Khanty-Mansi, Lithuanian Tatars) There are 3 L330 individuals from the Balkans, one appears to be from Ioannina as a Romaniote Jew, one is that guy from Gulijan, and the other is I.
But this is a coincidence, because my suspicion about my roots there was on my maternal line, not paternal.
K13 is overrated. K10 is way better.
Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% GreeceNE11 @ 0.582
2 50% Russia_Smolensk339 + 50% GreeceCentral5 @ 0.608
3 50% GreeceMacedonia3 + 50% GermanA5 @ 0.650
4 50% Bosnian_4 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.664
5 50% Russia_Smolensk349 + 50% GreeceCentral6 @ 0.678
6 50% GreeceNE144 + 50% Belarusian4 @ 0.689
7 50% Macedonian12 + 50% Slovakia77 @ 0.703
8 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 + 50% Pole_Poland3 @ 0.711
9 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% Macedonian2 @ 0.733
10 50% RussianVoronez107 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian7 @ 0.741
11 50% Russia_Smolensk312 + 50% Albanian_ALB230 @ 0.743
12 50% Hungary4 + 50% BulgarianF2 @ 0.746
13 50% Kosovo_Albanian16 + 50% Pole_Poland2 @ 0.754
14 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% BulgarianD6 @ 0.773
15 50% Poland142 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 @ 0.776
16 50% Albanian_ALB213 + 50% RussianOrjol45 @ 0.780
17 50% Serbian_B-H11 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.797
18 50% Gagauz20 + 50% Czech_NA15727 @ 0.804
19 50% Bosnian_10 + 50% Moldova_North @ 0.808
20 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% Macedonian8 @ 0.820
Serb from Bosnian Krajina
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.01
3 West_Med 16.01
4 East_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 East_Asian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Siberian 0.33
9 South_Asian 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.48
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.18
5 Croatian 8.47
6 Hungarian 10.54
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
8 Austrian 14.42
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.47
11 Ukrainian 15.56
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.35
14 Southwest_Russian 18.38
15 Polish 18.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.47
17 West_German 20.51
18 Estonian_Polish 21.12
19 Tatar 21.3
20 North_Italian 21.64
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.08
2 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Ukrainian @ 2.51
3 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
4 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
5 77% Bulgarian + 23% Lithuanian @ 2.58
6 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62
7 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.65
8 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Polish @ 2.83
9 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% Central_Greek @ 2.85
10 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
11 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Armenian @ 2.88
12 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
13 74% Romanian + 26% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.9
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 2.93
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
16 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Belorussian @ 2.98
17 51% Bulgarian + 49% Croatian @ 2.99
18 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
19 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.07
Mihajlović, from Topola, Šumadija
Y-DNA: R1b-Y84624
Spoiler!
Distance to: X
2.41646436 Serb
4.23932778 Montenegrin
4.66090120 R.Moldova_Centre+North
5.05870537 Bosnian
5.25702387 HUN_Szekely
5.96091436 Macedonian
6.03573525 Croat
7.12301902 Pomak
7.60867925 Romanians
8.81973923 R.Moldova_South
Target: X
Distance: 1.8111% / 1.81108321 | ADC: 0.5x
97.2 Serb
2.8 Dargin
Target: X
Distance: 1.4663% / 1.46626416 | ADC: 0.25x
85.2 Serb
10.6 Croat
2.6 Adygei
1.6 Dargin
Montenegrin from Bijelo Polje and Kolašin with mixed Muslim Slavic/Bosniak & Orthodox/Serb ancestry (no known Albanian ancestry)
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.4
2 East_Med 22.68
3 Baltic 21.46
4 West_Med 16.62
5 West_Asian 9.18
6 Red_Sea 2.35
7 Amerindian 0.67
8 East_Asian 0.55
9 Siberian 0.08
Spoiler!
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 33.19
2 Atlantic_Med 27.71
3 Caucasus 25.68
4 Southwest_Asian 8.26
5 Gedrosia 4.21
6 Southeast_Asian 0.95
Spoiler!
Montenegrin
Nikšić
Drobnjak
I2a
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.36
2 North_Atlantic 22.14
3 West_Med 18.76
4 East_Med 16.45
5 West_Asian 12.35
6 South_Asian 1.45
7 Sub-Saharan 0.51
8 Red_Sea 0.46
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.1
Spoiler!
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 37
2 Atlantic_Med 26.09
3 Caucasus 24.83
4 Gedrosia 5.13
5 Southwest_Asian 3.83
6 Northwest_African 1.64
7 South_Asian 1.48
Spoiler!
Muslim from Sjenica (origins in Pljevlja)
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.14
2 North_Atlantic 22.99
3 West_Med 20.46
4 East_Med 18.98
5 West_Asian 10.63
6 Siberian 2.01
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 South_Asian 0.2
Spoiler!
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.78
2 Atlantic_Med 29.7
3 Caucasus 24.42
4 Southwest_Asian 6.59
5 Gedrosia 5.87
6 South_Asian 1
7 Siberian 0.53
8 Northwest_African 0.11
Spoiler!
Muslim from Novi Pazar
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.78
2 Baltic 23.91
3 East_Med 19.04
4 West_Med 18.57
5 West_Asian 6.77
6 Red_Sea 4.13
7 Siberian 0.93
8 South_Asian 0.42
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 East_Asian 0.14
Spoiler!
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 33.14
2 Caucasus 27.8
3 Atlantic_Med 27.03
4 Southwest_Asian 7.2
5 Gedrosia 3.32
6 Northwest_African 0.76
7 East_Asian 0.67
8 Sub_Saharan 0.08
Spoiler!
WHen i look at my matches in gedmatch, i match a lot with irish and english names.. Do u match with irish and english people to?
@Ion Basescul
yes, i made them. with help from Mingle, CommonSense and Peterski.
this is their official thread.
I was asking, because I'm sharing this folk and am wondering if they were already calculated for the average
https://i.imgur.com/TpouqWm.png
Serb_RS_Bosnia,21.98,29.93,14.58,10.06,16.89,4.11, 0.09,0,0.36,1.55,0.45,0,0
Serb_Central_Šumadija,24.18,29.10,18.99,9.04,15.20 ,1.08,0.72,0.17,0.99,0.36,0.18,0.00,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika-Senj,25.19,29.36,17.05,8.62,15.93,1.54,0.42,0.22,0 .64,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.04
Mine...Serb..from..vojvodina
K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.18
2 North_Atlantic 20.84
3 West_Med 19.78
4 East_Med 14.96
5 West_Asian 9.81
6 Red_Sea 2.36
7 South_Asian 1.31
8 Amerindian 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Siberian 0.42
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.48
2 Serbian 6.89
3 Bulgarian 6.95
4 Moldavian 7.78
5 Croatian 10.79
6 Hungarian 13
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.73
8 Austrian 16.24
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.81
10 East_German 17.3
11 Ukrainian 18.07
12 South_Polish 18.23
13 North_Italian 19.35
14 Tuscan 20.12
15 Southwest_Russian 21.24
16 Polish 21.38
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.48
18 West_German 21.65
19 Central_Greek 21.72
20 Italian_Abruzzo 21.76
Welcome Milenko, congratulation on results!
Could you post your K15 and K36 results?
k15...i..think??
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.07
2 West_Med 16.08
3 Eastern_Euro 14.68
4 North_Sea 13.53
5 Atlantic 13.39
6 East_Med 12.19
7 West_Asian 8.89
8 Red_Sea 1.67
9 South_Asian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.52
11 Oceanian 0.26
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.8
2 Bulgarian 7.13
3 Serbian 7.58
4 Moldavian 8.03
5 Croatian 10.19
6 Hungarian 12.6
7 Austrian 13.17
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.66
9 Greek 14.06
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.92
11 Ukrainian 16.51
12 South_Polish 16.58
13 East_German 16.63
14 North_Italian 17.44
15 Tuscan 17.62
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.82
17 Russian_Smolensk 19.06
18 Polish 19.07
19 Southwest_Russian 19.47
20 Ashkenazi 19.53
k36..didint..take..the..ones..that..had..nothing
Population
Armenian 3.92 Pct
Basque 1.18 Pct
Central_Euro 1.98 Pct
East_Balkan 9.89 Pct
East_Central_Euro 13.83 Pct
East_Med 9.44 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.58 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.95 Pct
French 2.64 Pct
Iberian 11.33 Pct
Italian 11.15 Pct
Near_Eastern 1.05 Pct
North_African 0.08 Pct
North_Atlantic 3.84 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.62 Pct
North_Sea 5.39 Pct
South_Central_Asian 0.36 Pct
Volga-Ural 0.84 Pct
West_Caucasian 1.43 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct
This is your position on graph according K15 result:
https://i.imgur.com/00omOlo.png
This is your K36 map:
https://i.imgur.com/WSX8XGj.png
You have usual result for native Vojvodina Serbs.
Thank you Dušan for the maps
Thank you Dušan for the maps
some more maps for you based on k36.
https://i.imgur.com/ulpW8Nm.png
prediction of your location
https://i.imgur.com/3wOZGX0.png
Could you do the same for me?
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.30 Pct
Armenian 0.29 Pct
Basque 3.64 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.17 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.16 Pct
East_Med 5.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.29 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.12 Pct
French 1.71 Pct
Iberian 6.25 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.44 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.12 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 2.64 Pct
North_Sea 6.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 4.36 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.74 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct
here:
https://i.imgur.com/doY3G7S.png
download the app here if you want to use it in the future:
Attachment 101756
double
Thank you vbnetkhio for the maps.. really interesting that i came on Bulgaria in one of them, i have taken gedmatch, and i know i got like i could fit in the country, witch is possoble we are bordering countrys, but never got nr 1, i think on gedmatch i took the world calculator and got Macedonia as first then serbia, bosnia and after that Bulgaria
Recently updated K13
Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.1172% / 2.11716076 | ADC: 0.25x
36.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
34.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
19.6 Bulgarian_Northwest
6.2 Erzya
4.0 Sardinian
Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.2954% / 3.29544552 | ADC: 0.5x
62.0 Serb_B&H_Krajina
28.4 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.6 Bulgarian_Northwest