Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Irish and English were updated too?

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No, I just put them there as a comparison.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Dodecad for Grace O'Mally

Distance to: Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
2.15555097 Icelandic
2.40260276 Irish
2.57120594 Scottish
2.89447750 Mixed_NW_Euro
3.04333698 English_North
3.04663749 Dutch_North
4.10363254 English_mixed
4.53270339 English_South
4.61997835 Dutch_Central
4.75538642 Dutch

Distance: 43.4269% / 0.43426945
Target: Grace_O'Malley(Irish) | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.8 Icelandic
47.2 Irish

Distance: 42.1842% / 0.42184219
Target: Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
70.8 Irish
19.3 Icelandic
7.2 Swedish
2.7 Latvian

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She has old Scandinavian input. Always is more Germanic than average.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

She's always an outlier for Irish tbh, same as my father.

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Well, the Icelanders are almost half Irish, so that's nothing extraordinary.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, the Icelanders are almost half Irish, so that's nothing extraordinary.

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Yes, and Irish are supposedly around 20% Germanic.

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Distance to:        CreodaDad
2.40941902        Icelandic
3.13907630        Irish
3.76337614        Scottish
3.76944293        Dutch_North
4.19779704        Mixed_NW_Euro
4.26668490        English_North
5.34545601        English_mixed
5.76243872        Dutch_Central
5.84387714        English_South
5.96382428        Dutch
6.09380833        Swedish
8.64993642        German
9.42692421        Dutch_South
13.03987730        French2
13.69189906        French
14.52906742        Bavarian_German
15.73966327        Sorb_Lusatia
16.26497156        Slovak
16.52050847        Slovenian
16.87600960        PL_Warmia-Masuria
18.01653407        Hungarians
18.65911038        Polish_mixed
20.42884236        Croat
20.47419351        Ukrainian
21.29453451        HUN_Szekely

Distance to:        CreodaMum
1.92093727        English_North
1.93119134        English_mixed
2.00377144        English_South
2.76817629        Dutch
2.93872421        Mixed_NW_Euro
2.94477503        Dutch_Central
2.99979999        Scottish
4.14354920        Irish
4.47992187        Dutch_North
4.54575626        Dutch_South
5.02510696        Icelandic
7.32315506        German
8.23945993        Swedish
9.36813749        Bavarian_German
10.04372441        French2
10.60646501        French
13.05293837        Slovenian
14.47797292        Slovak
15.19842426        Hungarians
15.31296183        Sorb_Lusatia
16.46273367        Croat
16.91333202        HUN_Szekely
17.60549062        PL_Warmia-Masuria
17.96532772        Bosnian
17.99064260        Italy_Aosta_Valley

Distance to:        Creoda
1.09649441        Irish
2.26059727        Scottish
2.77884868        Mixed_NW_Euro
3.18733431        English_North
3.98923552        English_mixed
4.33624261        Icelandic
4.51993363        English_South
4.76615149        Dutch_North
5.93722999        Dutch
5.94220498        Dutch_Central
8.36675564        Swedish
8.58214425        Dutch_South
9.98982983        German
10.79057459        French2
11.43345092        French
13.57610769        Bavarian_German
17.13371238        Slovenian
17.59792886        Sorb_Lusatia
17.63909862        Slovak
18.98989205        Hungarians
19.05132541        PL_Warmia-Masuria
20.64319985        Polish_mixed
20.74564774        Croat
21.00900399        Italy_Aosta_Valley
21.15129547        HUN_Szekely

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Distance: 103.0044% / 1.03004369
Target: Creoda | ADC: 0.25x RC
98.6        Irish
1.4        Finnish_West

Distance: 116.3849% / 1.16384884
Target: CreodaMum | ADC: 0.25x RC
88.7        English_North
5.5        Hungarians
5.3        Bavarian_German
0.5        Pulliyar

Distance: 142.9699% / 1.42969858
Target: CreodaDad | ADC: 0.25x RC
89.5        Irish
10.5        Finnish_West

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K13 is missing Belgian (Flemish/Walloon) and Icelandic averages, would be nice to have them. Also Latvian average is very distinct from other NE Europeans, idk why.
Estonians for example end up closer to Poles/Belarusians than to Latvians, doesn't make sense.

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There is a slight theme. The North Sea component in K15 probably pushes things more to the East. Where K13 has Atlantic and North Sea lumped together I suppose. I could not tell you what is better. But both are similar to G25


K13

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Distance: 360.5743% / 3.60574303
Target: Graham
91.4 West_Scottish
8.6 Norway_South_Central

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Distance to: Graham
3.65224588 West_Scottish
4.48665800 Irish_Munster
4.51401152 Scottish
4.62000000 Orcadian
4.65504028 Irish
4.84127049 Irish_Leinster
4.86210860 Irish_Connacht
4.98932861 Irish_Ulster
5.36779284 English_North
5.98069394 English

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K15

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Distance: 423.8518% / 4.23851784
Target: Graham
71.5 Orcadian
28.5 West_Norwegian

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Distance to: Graham
4.74248880 Orcadian
6.53098767 Irish_Connacht
6.82381125 West_Norwegian
6.89552754 West_Scottish
7.11945223 Dutch_North
7.29240701 Scottish
7.38495768 Irish_Munster
7.42696439 Irish
7.53200505 Irish_Leinster
7.71799197 English_North

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G25

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Distance: 1.7688% / 0.01768846
Target: Graham_scaled
45.2 English_Cornwall
28.7 Norwegian
19.6 Scottish
3.7 Shetlandic
2.5 French_Paris
0.3 Papuan

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Distance to: Graham_scaled
0.01854313 Scottish
0.02004765 English_Cornwall
0.02006606 Irish
0.02022898 Welsh
0.02058113 English
0.02155676 Dutch
0.02159859 Orcadian
0.02218018 Shetlandic
0.02348278 Norwegian
0.02512893 French_Brittany

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Originally Posted by Impaler

I removed all Balkan_Turk samples + Balkan Roma, because there are 2 Roma samples. The fit is worse for me. For Mortimer is the best calculator ever with this run. He scored exactly his known ancestry(documented). But as you see even Thracian who is a Balkan Turk scored Romani. I just think these samples are not good for us to fit our ancestry.

Distance: 204.4986% / 2.04498621
Target: Mortimer | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.8 Romani
22.1 Vlach_North-Macedonia
14.4 Romania_Oltenia
3.5 Pomak_Kavala
3.2 IT_Aosta_Valley

Distance: 345.0657% / 3.45065662
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
19.9 Greek_Northern-Thrace
19.0 FRA_Provence
8.3 Turkmen
4.6 Austroasiatic_Ho
2.6 Romani
2.2 Ashkenazi
0.7 Yoruban

Distance: 107.5214% / 1.07521442
Target: Thracian | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.9 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
40.5 Greek_Istanbul
13.2 Romani
3.0 Dolgan
1.4 Tadjik

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Mine is very clear, actually. I do not have Roma matches including FTDNA, 23andMe, Myheritage and Gedmatch. I most likely score them because of my extra Iranic admixture, in contrast to Roma, I have many Kurdish and Iranian matches.

None of my ancestors lived in Central Macedonia and Greek Istanbul is a not representative sample due to 1/8 exotic admixture.

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Distance: 196.6555% / 1.96655464
Target: Greek_Istanbul | ADC: 0.25x
46.9        Greek_Ionia
17.3        Greek_West
14.2        Lezgin
13.5        Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.1        Greek_Northern-Thrace

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It pulls my Turkic heritage lower, my score without Istanbul and some other Greek samples such as Macedonia_Thrace,

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Distance: 181.0803% / 1.81080275
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
42.5        Pomak_Central-Macedonia
27.9        Greek_West_Macedonia
11.3        Turkmen
9.4        Pomak_Drama
6.6        Romani
1.7        Turk_Central_West
0.5        Evens
0.1        Dolgan

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The same goes for Pomak samples.

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Distance: 160.2507% / 1.60250673
Target: Pomak_Drama | ADC: 0.25x
74.2        Moldova_South_Gagauzia
14.9        Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.4        Iranian
2.7        Erzya
1.6        Yemenite_Jewish
0.2        Greek_Northern-Thrace

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This is what I get without Pomaks,

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Distance: 267.4165% / 2.67416488
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
55.0        Bulgaria_Northeastern
16.0        Turkmen
13.2        IT_Basilicata
10.5        Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
3.7        Romani
0.8        Yemenite_Jewish
0.5        North_German
0.3        Saudi

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And without Roma+Gypsy,

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Distance: 270.0063% / 2.70006273
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
44.8        Bulgaria_Northeastern
21.6        Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.4        IT_Lucania
12.5        Turkmen
5.6        Tadjik
1.4        Ashkenazi
0.7        Yemenite_Jewish

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It_Lucania is a proxy for Greek_like ancestry or maybe Balkan native, so I also removed it,

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Distance: 269.2779% / 2.69277894
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
32.9        Bulgaria_Northeastern
22.1        Greek_West_Macedonia
20.7        Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.7        Turkmen
4.4        Tadjik
2.5        Ashkenazi
1.8        North_German
1.1        Yemenite_Jewish
0.8        Parsi_India

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That makes a bit sense.

Vlach_NMH is my directly match, and he is from exactly the same city with my ancestors. I do have 1/4 ancestry from there -Gevgelija-. I am southern shifted for a Turk from Bulgaria and I also have dozens of Greek matches, more than even Bulgarian matches.

I also shared many models with you and I didn't score SA. You should focus on limited models depend on the your known ancestry and all possible other ethnicities in Romania and around Romania, this is the best way for modeling yourself.

New Welsh K13 average based on 56 references

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Welsh,50.73,23.16,13.73,6.18,2.84,0.53,0.97,0.13,0.32,0.58,0.4,0.25,0.12

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Distance to:        Welsh_new
1.16777566        English_North
1.41894327        English
1.43446854        English_Southwest
1.80471604        Irish_Leinster
1.81389085        English_Midlands
2.03091113        Scottish
2.13351822        English_Southeast
2.31540493        Orcadian
2.75708179        Irish
2.96179000        Irish_Munster
3.15515451        West_Scottish
3.34666999        Irish_Connacht
3.46518398        FRA_Armorica
3.49220561        Irish_Ulster
3.58647459        Welsh
3.87295753        Dutch
3.91019181        Dutch_Central
4.65565248        Dutch_North
5.88797079        Dutch_South
6.72390512        Denmark
6.72961366        North_German
6.83583938        Norwegian
7.33027967        Norway_South_Central
7.48069515        Sweden_Götaland
7.87005718        German_West

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Distance to:        Welsh_current
3.71674589        Irish_Leinster
4.06948400        Irish_Ulster
4.11036495        Irish
4.24816431        English_Southwest
4.28102791        Irish_Munster
4.52616836        Scottish
4.54434814        English_North
4.64493272        Irish_Connacht
4.68580836        English
4.76270931        West_Scottish
4.91204642        English_Midlands
5.00208956        FRA_Armorica
5.02526616        Orcadian
5.09469332        English_Southeast
6.80593858        Dutch
6.85386023        Dutch_Central
7.45238888        Dutch_North
7.90129103        Dutch_South
8.97354445        Norwegian
9.04070241        Denmark
9.41244389        North_German
9.61026534        Norway_South_Central
9.71227059        Sweden_Götaland
9.92036290        German_West
11.09486368        Sweden_Svealand_West

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K15 (one duplicate reference removed from the 57 I had)

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Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0.60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08

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Originally Posted by Creoda

New Welsh K13 average based on 56 references

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Welsh,50.73,23.16,13.73,6.18,2.84,0.53,0.97,0.13,0.32,0.58,0.4,0.25,0.12

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Distance to:        Welsh_new
1.16777566        English_North
1.41894327        English
1.43446854        English_Southwest
1.80471604        Irish_Leinster
1.81389085        English_Midlands
2.03091113        Scottish
2.13351822        English_Southeast
2.31540493        Orcadian
2.75708179        Irish
2.96179000        Irish_Munster
3.15515451        West_Scottish
3.34666999        Irish_Connacht
3.46518398        FRA_Armorica
3.49220561        Irish_Ulster
3.58647459        Welsh
3.87295753        Dutch
3.91019181        Dutch_Central
4.65565248        Dutch_North
5.88797079        Dutch_South
6.72390512        Denmark
6.72961366        North_German
6.83583938        Norwegian
7.33027967        Norway_South_Central
7.48069515        Sweden_Götaland
7.87005718        German_West

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Distance to:        Welsh_current
3.71674589        Irish_Leinster
4.06948400        Irish_Ulster
4.11036495        Irish
4.24816431        English_Southwest
4.28102791        Irish_Munster
4.52616836        Scottish
4.54434814        English_North
4.64493272        Irish_Connacht
4.68580836        English
4.76270931        West_Scottish
4.91204642        English_Midlands
5.00208956        FRA_Armorica
5.02526616        Orcadian
5.09469332        English_Southeast
6.80593858        Dutch
6.85386023        Dutch_Central
7.45238888        Dutch_North
7.90129103        Dutch_South
8.97354445        Norwegian
9.04070241        Denmark
9.41244389        North_German
9.61026534        Norway_South_Central
9.71227059        Sweden_Götaland
9.92036290        German_West
11.09486368        Sweden_Svealand_West

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K15 (one duplicate reference removed from the 57 I had)

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Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0.60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08

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This just proves how incredibly mixed with each other are all the different populations of the British Isles, very-very low distances between them.