So Celts were North Europeans after all?

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

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ATT26,37.37,21.78,13.11,1.13,17.75,0,2.94,0,4.09,0,0,0,0,0,1.82
BES1248,33.57,32.36,8.76,10.37,9.79,1.45,0.31,0,0.2,0.9,0,1.93,0,0,0.35
BFM265,28.12,34.55,11.89,3.86,11.42,3.64,4.73,0.93,0.01,0,0,0,0.4,0.44,0
COL11,33.38,25.25,15.49,6.28,10.75,2.53,0,0,5.23,0,0,0,0,0,1.09
COL153A,29.63,22.17,8.74,6.95,15.4,0,13.47,3.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
COL153i,21.54,30.34,8.12,7.3,17.4,8.39,0,0.3,0,0,1.34,0,3.32,1.94,0
ERS1164,21.87,34.86,9.97,8.73,12.71,4.57,1.48,0.3,1.19,0.29,2.53,0,0,0,1.5
ERS86,24.03,24.52,13.52,7.2,21.49,0,6.5,0.93,0,0,0,0,0.4,0.78,0.62
ERS88,29.83,18.14,1.07,7.03,18.8,4,17.58,2.25,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.29,0
Jeb8,26.5,30.24,7.46,3.21,20.32,2.45,4.19,0.59,0,0,0,2.54,2.5,0,0
NOR2B6,20.06,23.31,14.3,5.08,18.27,3.13,11.32,4.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
NOR3-15,23.05,33.21,17.52,0.07,14.08,5.44,0,2.89,0,0,0.65,0,0.51,2.59,0
NOR3-6,24.41,33.02,12.81,6.55,12.21,6.68,0,1.82,1.91,0,0,0.38,0.2,0,0
NOR4,29.01,19.86,6.35,2.84,26.46,0,13.8,0.37,0,0,0.97,0,0.34,0,0
PECH5,29.46,24.4,9.14,0,31.91,0,0,0.41,0,1.63,0.72,2.34,0,0,0
PEY53,33.74,36.39,5.11,4.4,8.63,4.19,2.8,3.18,0,0,0,0.29,1.27,0,0

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Use this:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm

It should be correct?

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Yes, place them in K15 PCA.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

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ATT26,37.37,21.78,13.11,1.13,17.75,0,2.94,0,4.09,0,0,0,0,0,1.82
BES1248,33.57,32.36,8.76,10.37,9.79,1.45,0.31,0,0.2,0.9,0,1.93,0,0,0.35
BFM265,28.12,34.55,11.89,3.86,11.42,3.64,4.73,0.93,0.01,0,0,0,0.4,0.44,0
COL11,33.38,25.25,15.49,6.28,10.75,2.53,0,0,5.23,0,0,0,0,0,1.09
COL153A,29.63,22.17,8.74,6.95,15.4,0,13.47,3.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
COL153i,21.54,30.34,8.12,7.3,17.4,8.39,0,0.3,0,0,1.34,0,3.32,1.94,0
ERS1164,21.87,34.86,9.97,8.73,12.71,4.57,1.48,0.3,1.19,0.29,2.53,0,0,0,1.5
ERS86,24.03,24.52,13.52,7.2,21.49,0,6.5,0.93,0,0,0,0,0.4,0.78,0.62
ERS88,29.83,18.14,1.07,7.03,18.8,4,17.58,2.25,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.29,0
Jeb8,26.5,30.24,7.46,3.21,20.32,2.45,4.19,0.59,0,0,0,2.54,2.5,0,0
NOR2B6,20.06,23.31,14.3,5.08,18.27,3.13,11.32,4.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
NOR3-15,23.05,33.21,17.52,0.07,14.08,5.44,0,2.89,0,0,0.65,0,0.51,2.59,0
NOR3-6,24.41,33.02,12.81,6.55,12.21,6.68,0,1.82,1.91,0,0,0.38,0.2,0,0
NOR4,29.01,19.86,6.35,2.84,26.46,0,13.8,0.37,0,0,0.97,0,0.34,0,0
PECH5,29.46,24.4,9.14,0,31.91,0,0,0.41,0,1.63,0.72,2.34,0,0,0
PEY53,33.74,36.39,5.11,4.4,8.63,4.19,2.8,3.18,0,0,0,0.29,1.27,0,0

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Use this:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm

It should be correct?

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I see in K15 thre more Scanic and lesss Frenchy. I think K36 is better for them. At least for those which I checked.

Target: PEY53
Distance: 7.4034% / 7.40341896 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Irish
26.2 Southeast_English
17.2 French_Basque
15.0 Orcadian

Target: PECH5
Distance: 15.9464% / 15.94637519 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Spanish_Galicia
26.0 Spanish_Cantabria
9.2 Southwest_English
4.8 Sardinian

Target: NOR4
Distance: 10.7288% / 10.72882472 | ADC: 0.5x
60.4 Spanish_Galicia
38.0 Italy_Lombardy
0.8 Sardinian
0.8 West_German

Target: NOR3-6
Distance: 6.1643% / 6.16429788 | ADC: 0.5x
36.8 North_German
33.0 German_Bavarian
25.6 French_Basque
4.6 Austrian

Target: NOR3-15
Distance: 11.3392% / 11.33915116 | ADC: 0.5x
35.4 North_German
19.0 French_Basque
16.2 Southwest_French
15.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
14.0 Czech

Target: NOR2B6
Distance: 4.6527% / 4.65265468 | ADC: 0.5x
72.4 Italy_Trentino
19.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
4.8 Slovenian
3.2 Lithuanian

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 5.0049% / 5.00488518 | ADC: 0.5x
64.8 France-South
17.6 Spanish_Cantabria
16.0 Southwest_English
1.6 French_Basque

Target: ERS88
Distance: 10.3518% / 10.35175321 | ADC: 0.5x
72.8 Italy_Lombardy
26.2 West_German
1.0 Libyan_Jewish

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 5.7850% / 5.78497897 | ADC: 0.5x
40.6 South_Dutch
34.8 French_Basque
14.8 Austrian
9.2 North_German
0.6 Tatar

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 5.7850% / 5.78497897 | ADC: 0.5x
40.6 South_Dutch
34.8 French_Basque
14.8 Austrian
9.2 North_German
0.6 Tatar

Target: COL153i
Distance: 7.9004% / 7.90037679 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Southwest_French
33.0 South_Dutch
11.0 German_Bavarian
6.0 Spanish_Cantabria
4.0 French_Basque
2.2 Chechen
2.0 Nogay
0.2 Papuan

Target: COL153A
Distance: 6.4833% / 6.48328372 | ADC: 0.5x
52.2 West_German
23.4 Italy_Lombardy
20.4 Spanish_Galicia
3.2 Italy_Trentino
0.8 Yemenite_Jewish

Target: COL11
Distance: 6.2210% / 6.22102019 | ADC: 0.5x
53.8 Southwest_English
21.0 East_German
15.8 Swedish
7.2 North_Dutch
2.2 Chamar

Target: BFM265
Distance: 4.9070% / 4.90700203 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Irish
33.0 German_Bavarian
19.2 French_Basque
6.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Target: BES1248
Distance: 4.2136% / 4.21357697 | ADC: 0.5x
39.2 Southeast_English
30.8 England
22.4 West_Scottish
7.6 French_Basque

Target: ATT26
Distance: 11.9658% / 11.96576598 | ADC: 0.5x
56.4 West_German
23.0 Southwest_English
14.4 Spanish_Galicia
6.2 West_Norwegian

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Good example I think


19.2 ES_Navarra
14.4 ES_La_Rioja



21.4 ES_Navarra
15.6 ES_La_Rioja

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They must score high in WHG and not only steppe in calculators with those components.

Target: PEY53
Distance: 6.6620% / 6.66202098 | ADC: 0.25x
49.6 Orcadian
24.8 West_Scottish
24.4 French_Basque
1.2 Saudi

Target: PECH5
Distance: 13.3922% / 13.39219617 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Southwest_English
39.0 Sardinian
9.6 West_Norwegian

Target: NOR4
Distance: 8.1492% / 8.14915134 | ADC: 0.25x
40.8 Italy_Lombardy
32.0 West_Norwegian
27.2 Sardinian

Target: NOR3-6
Distance: 4.2682% / 4.26822808 | ADC: 0.25x
54.4 North_German
35.2 French_Basque
6.4 Russian_Smolensk
2.8 North_Ossetian
1.2 Kalash

Target: NOR3-15
Distance: 10.1414% / 10.14140038 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 French_Basque
29.0 Irish
17.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
16.4 Lithuanian
2.6 North_Ossetian
0.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

Target: NOR2B6
Distance: 3.2513% / 3.25133046 | ADC: 0.25x
51.2 Italy_Trentino
33.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.6 Lithuanian
2.2 Saudi
2.0 Sardinian

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 3.8086% / 3.80860151 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 France-South
23.4 Southwest_English
17.2 Spanish_Cantabria
9.2 French_Basque
1.2 Papuan
1.0 Karitiana

Target: ERS88
Distance: 9.5577% / 9.55774363 | ADC: 0.25x
55.2 Italy_Lombardy
22.2 West_German
11.6 Libyan_Jewish
11.0 West_Norwegian

Target: ERS86
Distance: 4.0761% / 4.07611653 | ADC: 0.25x
53.4 France-South
20.0 Spanish_Galicia
15.0 Latvian
7.6 Sardinian
3.8 North_Swedish
0.2 Southwest_French

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 3.2440% / 3.24397671 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 French_Basque
40.0 North_German
13.0 Tatar
0.8 Austrian
0.2 Yoruban

Target: COL153i
Distance: 4.8732% / 4.87317459 | ADC: 0.25x
30.6 French_Basque
22.4 England
19.4 Spanish_Cantabria
14.8 East_German
8.6 Balkar
2.0 Papuan
1.8 Tatar
0.4 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

Target: COL153A
Distance: 5.4916% / 5.49160852 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 West_German
17.4 Spanish_Galicia
17.2 France-South
9.0 Italy_Lombardy
8.0 West_Norwegian
6.6 Yemenite_Jewish

Target: COL11
Distance: 5.3046% / 5.30460517 | ADC: 0.25x
72.4 Southwest_English
10.4 Lithuanian
7.2 Danish
5.8 Swedish
4.2 Chamar

Target: BFM265
Distance: 4.1252% / 4.12517321 | ADC: 0.25x
62.2 Irish
23.0 French_Basque
8.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.8 Bulgarian_Thracian

Target: BES1248
Distance: 2.9408% / 2.94078078 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0 West_Scottish
35.2 Scotland
15.6 French_Basque
4.4 Aland_Sweden
0.8 Anzick-1

Target: ATT26
Distance: 10.1272% / 10.12718207 | ADC: 0.25x
71.4 West_Norwegian
15.4 Sardinian
11.6 Spanish_Galicia
1.6 Sakilli

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Yes, place them in K15 PCA.

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Target: gixajo
Distance: 8.5924% / 8.59241068
26.8 NOR2B6
25.0 Jeb8
18.2 PECH5
16.8 COL153i
6.8 ERS1164
6.4 NOR3-15

Distance to: gixajo
10.15329011 Jeb8
12.69928344 ERS86
12.78776759 COL153i
13.86413719 NOR2B6
15.18737963 ERS1164
15.40080517 NOR3-15
16.03148153 NOR3-6
16.51676724 BFM265
17.35875572 PECH5
19.15488188 NOR4
19.62168698 COL153A
22.22644596 PEY53
22.95239421 BES1248
23.61308959 ATT26
23.78826391 COL11
24.13346846 ERS88

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 2.5345% / 2.53451826
44.0 Orcadian
24.4 French_Basque
20.0 Sardinian
4.6 West_Norwegian
3.0 Southwest_English
2.0 Karitiana
2.0 Papuan

And my k15 of the same calculator:

Target: gixajo
Distance: 3.4839% / 3.48394996
41.4 French_Basque
35.0 Spanish_Galicia
7.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.2 Sardinian
1.4 Somali
0.4 North_Ossetian
0.4 Papuan

What are good distances on K15?

Again, just like BA Switzerland and Bavaria, completely mixed group and non-homogenous.

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Distance to: PEY53
9.72350246 Southeast_English
10.20197040 Irish
10.38149797 Southwest_English

Distance to: PECH5
16.65402654 Spanish_Galicia
17.08797238 France-South
17.37618485 Spanish_Cantabria

Distance to: NOR4
11.53827977 Spanish_Galicia
12.29058990 Italy_Lombardy
12.67998817 Portuguese

Distance to: NOR3-6
10.30015534 South_Dutch
10.46375650 German_Bavarian
12.13412131 French

Distance to: NOR3-15
15.36652856 German_Bavarian
15.94057088 South_Dutch
16.08980112 French

Distance to: NOR2B6
6.02952734 Italy_Trentino
7.45502515 Italy_Friuli
8.30534767 Italy_Piedmont

Distance to: Jeb8
6.17019449 France-South
8.29965662 Spanish_Cataluna
9.03606109 French

Distance to: ERS88
12.04279037 Italy_Lombardy
12.81326266 Italy_Veneto
13.52011464 Italy_Aostavalley

Distance to: ERS86
8.80119310 France-South
9.29623580 Spanish_Galicia
10.34985024 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: ERS1164
12.16415636 South_Dutch
12.48421804 German_Bavarian
13.31741717 French

Distance to: COL153i
12.20184822 French
12.46039325 France-South
12.73798257 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: COL153A
9.28228959 French
9.82291199 Italy_Aostavalley
10.82378400 Italy_Trentino

Distance to: COL11
8.88110916 North_German
8.90314551 Dutch
9.03960729 Southwest_English

Distance to: BFM265
9.62151755 South_Dutch
9.64661080 Belgium
9.97768510 German_Bavarian

Distance to: BES1248
5.34108603 Southeast_English
5.59627555 England
5.84556242 Southwest_English

Distance to: ATT26
12.74115772 West_German
13.73145295 Southwest_English
14.13941654 Belgium

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8 southern shifted ones(some even less than N. Iberia now, although that could just be a product of K15 and not using G25), 7 northern shifted ones.

I said it before and I'll say it again, lol. More Rhaetians perhaps. :picard1: Anyone know where in France these samples are from? Is it one spot or the entire country?

They are probably from different regions of France:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB36529

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

Again, just like BA Switzerland and Bavaria, completely mixed group and non-homogenous.



8 southern shifted ones(some even less than N. Iberia now, although that could just be a product of K15 and not using G25), 7 northern shifted ones.

I said it before and I'll say it again, lol. More Rhaetians perhaps. :picard1: Anyone know where in France these samples are from? Is it one spot or the entire country?

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my bet is that the northern shifted ones are from a site further north. but apparently the french didn't changed much since the gauls.