Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

Fine, let's say you took 1910., but did you take into consideration only Croats or all population? In that census in Gk were 76.532 people, but Croats were 49.874, however:

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yes, sorry , i posted the wrong number, just the Croat number should be used.

"I used these numbers for weighting:
Lika-Krbava 94663
Istria-Kvarner 263624
Gorski Kotar 76532"

1910. year: Istarska (236,981) + Primorsko-goranska (239,354) - Gorski Kotar (76,532) = 399,803?

How you got Lika-Krbava "94,663" because that number is not mentioned in the source?[/QUOTE]

I think i also added the Senj area, because the average is called Lika-Senj.

For Istria-Kvarner i have this data saved, i can't find the source now. I think these are just ethnic Croats, without Italians etc.

Modruš-Rijeka 68168
Krk-Kastav 27340
Istria 168116
Istria-Kvarner(total) 263624

here are some more sources (wit ethnic data)
http://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G1921/Pdf/G19214001.pdf
http://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G1931/Pdf/G19314001.pdf

these are probably Istrian. the first 3 based on incomplete family trees, the last 2 on their surname.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_Afr	Sub0Saharan
29.38	28.82	16.08	7.63	13.58	1.33	1.54	1.01	0	0	0.64	0	0
29.76	28.04	16.11	6.98	16.03	0.54	1.39	0.58	0	0.21	0.36	0	0
30.49	30.87	14.52	9.96	9.72	2.8	0.73	0	0	0	0.47	0.42	0
22.2	28.71	16.24	10.58	16.57	1.27	1.62	1.3	0	0.61	0.57	0.32	0
26.98	30	17.3	9.5	11.81	1.44	2.52	0	0.37	0.09	0	0	0

they are all within the current Istria-Kvarner range, and Istrians still look similar to Lika and Dalmatia Croats.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

these are probably Istrian. the first 3 based on incomplete family trees, the last 2 on their surname.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_Afr	Sub0Saharan
29.38	28.82	16.08	7.63	13.58	1.33	1.54	1.01	0	0	0.64	0	0
29.76	28.04	16.11	6.98	16.03	0.54	1.39	0.58	0	0.21	0.36	0	0
30.49	30.87	14.52	9.96	9.72	2.8	0.73	0	0	0	0.47	0.42	0
22.2	28.71	16.24	10.58	16.57	1.27	1.62	1.3	0	0.61	0.57	0.32	0
26.98	30	17.3	9.5	11.81	1.44	2.52	0	0.37	0.09	0	0	0

they are all within the current Istria-Kvarner range, and Istrians still look similar to Lika and Dalmatia Croats.

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But, notice north Atlantic is higher than Baltic in first two! And equal in third, also high. That seem typically west Istrian IMO.
If Moro agrees, we can add them to averages.

Istrians are kinda southern shifted.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Istrians are kinda southern shifted.

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Only western coast most likely. Moro has few samples from inland Istria which are much more northern.

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

What happened to all the regional averages? East is Slavonia? North is Zagorje + Međimurje? Littoral is confusing, is it well Littoral? What happened to Dalmatia then or it includes both Littoral (+Istria?) and the Dalmatian region? The northern and southern Adriatic coast shouldn't be put together. Names are a bit confusing, uncommon for Croatian regions. What is the sample size? New averages:

Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina,25.53,32.41,15.86,8.50,13 .91,1.38,0.59,0.25,0.56,0.46,0.35,0.04,0.11
Croat_East,27.42,34.37,13.89,8.65,11.79,1.56,0.03, 0.14,1.16,0.62,0.35,0.02,0.01
Croat_Littoral,26.81,32.09,15.78,8.11,13.54,1.40,0 .33,0.24,0.56,0.49,0.39,0.13,0.11
Croat_north,31.28,33.43,14.32,7.22,9.91,1.18,0.61, 0.31,0.54,0.59,0.35,0.13,0.13
Croat,28.38,33.18,14.95,7.74,11.78,1.42,0.50,0.26, 0.56,0.53,0.45,0.10,0.13

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Aren't Croats from Herzegovina and Dalmatia genetically the same?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Aren't Croats from Herzegovina and Dalmatia genetically the same?

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Very very similar, but if we're being nitpicky Dalmatians got bit higher North Atlantic and West Med while Herzegovians got bit higher Baltic and East Med on average.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Very very similar, but if we're being nitpicky Dalmatians got bit higher North Atlantic and West Med while Herzegovians got bit higher Baltic and East Med on average.

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I meant why not group them together as "Croat_South" or something?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

I meant why not group them together as "Croat_South" or something?

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That's the idea, to group Dalmatia, Lika and BiH as Croat_South.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

But, notice north Atlantic is higher than Baltic in first two! And equal in third, also high. That seem typically west Istrian IMO.
If Moro agrees, we can add them to averages.

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All of them can be included in the "West" average. Four out of five can be included in the sub-regional Istrian average as well, the exception is third kit (NA 30.49 / Baltic 30.87) because is paternally from Istria while maternally from Kvarner / Slovenia. With the addition of these four kits, what's the current number of Istrian samples? 11?

Other shared kits seemingly or were not Croatian or were not Istrian but from Kvarner and Gk (Delnice) so these should be added to "West" as well if aren't already.