Porçayın annesi dogudan bir yerdendi. Bu yuzden daha az dogu avrasya alıyor. Babasi en az %15 doğu avrasya alirdi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
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Porçayın annesi dogudan bir yerdendi. Bu yuzden daha az dogu avrasya alıyor. Babasi en az %15 doğu avrasya alirdi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
I find this result interesting; such a mix gives slightly less European version of I.
Balkan Turk
1/4 Targovishte
1/4 Varna
1/4 Langaza
1/4 Kırklareli
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.42
2 North_European 24.37
3 Atlantic_Med 19.17
4 Gedrosia 9.38
5 Southwest_Asian 8.6
6 Siberian 5.63
7 East_Asian 3.36
8 South_Asian 1.53
9 Northwest_African 1.2
10 Sub_Saharan 0.29
11 Southeast_Asian 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 15.07
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.29
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.77
5 Greek (Dodecad) 16.03
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.78
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.93
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.45
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.73
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.03
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.28
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.69
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.74
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.4
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.51
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.77
17 Turks (Behar) 24.78
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.07
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.12
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.18
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.62
2 64.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.68
3 61% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 39% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.76
4 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.94
5 64.8% Romanians (Behar) + 35.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.99
6 66.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 33.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.06
7 62.6% Turks (Behar) + 37.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.2
8 64.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 35.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.24
9 65.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.27
10 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.31
11 55.9% Turks (Behar) + 44.1% German (Dodecad) @ 6.6
12 67.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 32.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.97
13 58.8% Turks (Behar) + 41.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 6.98
14 76.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23.1% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.02
15 57.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 7.07
16 59.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 40.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.09
17 72.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.19
18 61.1% Turks (Behar) + 38.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.23
19 66.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 33.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.25
20 57.5% Turks (Behar) + 42.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 7.26
Distance to: X
6.25980830 Turk_Bulgaria
7.03625611 Turk_Greece
7.48713563 Turk_Romania
8.67147046 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.47822241 Turk_Macedonia
10.73725756 R.Moldova_Gagauz
11.31350520 Gagauz
11.95752065 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
12.44565386 R.Moldova_South
13.35775056 Albanian_Kosovo
13.55973820 Pomak
13.98952823 Turk_Northwest
14.16350239 Albanian_North
14.19705561 Italy_Apulia
14.94870228 Bulgarian
15.11318630 Macedonian
15.40521353 Italy_Lazio
15.99867807 Romanians
16.16461647 Italy_Abruzzo
16.34860545 Bulgarians
16.82000113 Italy_Marche
16.86582343 Montenegrin
16.88280486 Turk_Southwest
16.93517936 Turk_West_BlackSea
17.23668834 Italy_Sicily
Target: X
Distance: 1.4079% / 1.40794806 | ADC: 0.25x
38.4 Gagauz
27.2 R.Moldova_Gagauz
21.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.6 Greek_Crete
2.4 Lebanese
1.6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
1.6 Ket
1.2 Nogais
1.0 Yemenese
0.6 Bedouin
Target: X
Distance: 3.1989% / 3.19889768 | ADC: 0.5x
73.8 R.Moldova_Gagauz
22.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.0 Lebanese
0.4 Azerbaijani
How widespread is Balkan ancestry (Balkan Turkish, Pomak, Bosniak, Albanian) in modern Turkey in your opinion? Let's say down to 25% (one grandparent).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Pretty common in Western Anatolia considering even the isolated Yörük villages got the Balkan migration following the Russo-Turkish War. I can even say that an average Western Anatolian may have a 50-50% chance to have such an ancestor in the past. But this is something deeper, and already absorbed in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Having a recent Balkan ancestor is also common but only in some cities: Eastern Thrace as a whole, Bursa, İzmir, İstanbul, Eskişehir, Kocaeli, Çanakkale, Balıkesir, Manisa, Bilecik, Aydın, Yalova, Sakarya, Kütahya, Ankara the ones I recall immediately. In addition, there are Balkan communities who live together and marry only among each other.
https://i.ibb.co/qDhT4SL/9ef7ef99-51...03d68f8956.png
Altay'ın sonucuna da benziyor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.47
2 North_European 22.23
3 Atlantic_Med 20.59
4 Gedrosia 9.55
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 6.27
7 East_Asian 2.64
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.63
10 East_African 0.41
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.77
2 Greek (Dodecad) 15.23
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.46
4 Romanians (Behar) 16.37
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.48
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.77
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.12
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.28
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.54
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.91
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.37
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.44
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.23
15 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.62
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.83
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.5
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 24
19 Turks (Behar) 24.22
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 25.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.69
2 63.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 36.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.04
3 68.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.53
4 65.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 34.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.94
5 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.96
6 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.01
7 70.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.7% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.04
8 71.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.05
9 59.9% Turks (Behar) + 40.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 7.08
10 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 7.15
11 62.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 37.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 7.18
12 61% Turks (Behar) + 39% English (Dodecad) @ 7.19
13 60.9% Turks (Behar) + 39.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 7.21
14 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 7.21
15 60.7% Turks (Behar) + 39.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 7.23
16 62.6% Turks (Behar) + 37.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.24
17 62.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.26
18 62.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 37.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.27
19 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British (Dodecad) @ 7.27
20 68.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.29
yes, my grandfather's village is isolated. but there are Bosnian and Balkan immigrants in the village. but, no one remembers the Balkan ancestor. Most of them got married with yoruks. I also have 1/16 Balkan ancestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Also, even in Kayseri, there are around 5-10% Balkan immigrants. But there has been a lot of mixing with Anatolian Turkish.
Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi
Quote:
Originally Posted by mergen3
Yes, this is the case in most of Aegean Yörük villages.Quote:
yes, my grandfather's village is isolated. but there are Bosnian and Balkan immigrants in the village. but, no one remembers the Balkan ancestor. Most of them got married with yoruks. I also have 1/16 Balkan ancestors.
There should be hotspots in other cities as well. Adana and Samsun the other ones I remember. The wave that came with population exchange distributed all over Anatolia, even including SE Anatolia.Quote:
Also, even in Kayseri, there are around 5-10% Balkan immigrants. But there has been a lot of mixing with Anatolian Turkish.
yes, there are also Crete immigrants in the center of Antalya. Generally, people are very mixed in the center of Adana and Mersin. I know 3 people from Adana. they all have Balkan ancestors. but there are also Nusayri and Anatolian Turks ancestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi
Hardly an Asian but whatever - half Volga Tatar, half Russian (he looks fully Europoid with light pigmentation)
Population
Gedrosia 4.04 Pct
Siberian 8.71 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.56 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.09 Pct
North_European 50.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 4.46 Pct
Caucasus 13.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.12 Pct
Target: Timur
Distance: 2.8551% / 2.85514379 | ADC: 0.5x
49.2 Tatar_Kazan
29.0 Mordovian
17.0 Rus_Kostroma
4.8 R.Moldova_Centre+North
Target: Timur
Distance: 1.7360% / 1.73601445 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 Tatar_Kazan
22.6 Mixed_Slav
18.2 Mordovian
6.2 Bulgarians
With the Mixed_Slav removed
Target: Timur
Distance: 2.8551% / 2.85514379 | ADC: 0.5x
49.2 Tatar_Kazan
29.0 Mordovian
17.0 Rus_Kostroma
4.8 R.Moldova_Centre+North
Target: Timur
Distance: 2.0576% / 2.05758049 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Tatar_Kazan
36.2 Mordovian
11.0 Rus_Tver
8.4 Bulgarians
0.2 Japanese
100% trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
There are many Balkan Turk - Anatolian Turk couples, one of them was from Manisa. I've watched a travel program and the presenter went to a Balkan(Bulgarian) Turk village in Manisa and there was a young(at least 20-25 years old) Yörük woman in the village who married to a Balkan Turk from that village. Also a member of Stardust(a Turkish girl group which will debut at 23rd August) called "Havana"(of course it's her stage name) has Balkan(Thessaloniki, Greece) Turk mother & Anatolian(Samsun) Turk father. There are more examples like that due to there is no religious or ethnical differences. There are Balkan Turks even in Tokat
I guess the Balkan Turk population in Turkey is 4%-8% and 10%-15% among ethnic Turkish population