"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

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Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne

Good point. White =/= European.

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I agree. And White Americans certainly are not Europeans. And there certainly are jews who happen to be White. Furthermore though I would classify European jews as being European unless they choose to migrate to a new homeland. But the question of whether or not a jew is white is different than the question of whether or not a jew can be classified as European. A white jew in America is white but that jew is not European, he or she would be American.

And just to be clear being of European ancestry is part of the identity of a White American however having European ancestry does not make them Europeans. White Americans are not Europeans. White Americans are Americans.

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Originally Posted by ariaka

I agree. And White Americans certainly are not Europeans. And there certainly are jews who happen to be White. Furthermore though I would classify European jews as being European unless they choose to migrate to a new homeland. But the question of whether or not a jew is white is different than the question of whether or not a jew can be classified as European. A white jew in America is white but that jew is not European, he or she would be American.

And just to be clear being of European ancestry is part of the identity of a White American however having European ancestry does not make them Europeans. White Americans are not Europeans. White Americans are Americans.

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I hadn't realised America had yet to enjoy the marvels of DNA.

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Originally Posted by Hess

I define "pure European" as any person of wholly European descent. Greeks, South Italians, and a few other groups have a significant percentage of W+SW Asian admix (From Antiquity), but that doesn't change the fact that they are Europeans whether we like it or not.

We can't just excommunicate parts of Europe because we feel that they aren't "pure" enough by dubious nordicist racial standards.

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I agree with you. But I'll compare it to the situation of when someone uses an Ethiopian as an example of "African diversity" and "black beauty" without acknowledging that Ethiopians are not just light-skinned, fine featured Africans but rather Kushitic-Semitic hybrids who have much Arabian influence.

Btw someone mentioned Bin Laden.. he is 1/4 Ethiopian himself.

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Originally Posted by ariaka

I agree. And White Americans certainly are not Europeans. And there certainly are jews who happen to be White. Furthermore though I would classify European jews as being European unless they choose to migrate to a new homeland. But the question of whether or not a jew is white is different than the question of whether or not a jew can be classified as European. A white jew in America is white but that jew is not European, he or she would be American.

And just to be clear being of European ancestry is part of the identity of a White American however having European ancestry does not make them Europeans. White Americans are not Europeans. White Americans are Americans.

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I can agree with that. Well done. You are always the voice of reason.

I'd like to address Beorn here. He/she/whatever would rather send me dickish comments via negative rep - in private - where they cannot be seen. I, however, am not a coward.

ALORS. Beorn, have the balls to treat me like an arse in front of everyone else. I don't mind.

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Originally Posted by Clementina

Btw someone mentioned Bin Laden.. he is 1/4 Ethiopian himself.

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Correct, he is 1/4 Ethiopian through his grandmother. He was also part Syrian through his mom and his height and looks are not really typical in Arabia. He was a giant compared to most Arabians. Arabians most often tend to be of short stature, dark skinned, and often don't grow full beards, and have almost no hair on their bodies.

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Originally Posted by CircassianWine

Correct, he is 1/4 Ethiopian through his grandmother. He was also part Syrian through his mom and his height and looks are not really typical in Arabia. He was a giant compared to most Arabians. Arabians most often tend to be of short stature, dark skinned, and often don't grow full beards, and have almost no hair on their bodies.

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I had no idea. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Beorn

I hadn't realised America had yet to enjoy the marvels of DNA.

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I hadn't realised that where ever you are from had yet to enjoy the marvels of geography. But to be serious, the issue of differentiating a European from an American is cultural. There is a major difference between various American cultures and the various cultures of Europe. And culture is a major factor in identity.

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Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne

I'd like to address Beorn here. He/she/whatever would rather send me dickish comments via negative rep - in private - where they cannot be seen. I, however, am not a coward.

ALORS. Beorn, have the balls to treat me like an arse in front of everyone else. I don't mind.

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LOL! I'm sorry that you're on a European forum and talking shit about Europeans. :(

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Originally Posted by ariaka

I hadn't realised that where ever you are from had yet to enjoy the marvels of geography. But to be serious, the issue of differentiating a European from an American is cultural. There is a major difference between various American cultures and the various cultures of Europe. And culture is a major factor in identity.

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Ah, so like the rest of the fucking idiots posting on this thread, you miss entirely the notion of 'racial European'.

Okay! :)